Mongolian Super Base

I'm in Southwest China and have a friend who is the Paulinaur Chef of a very large and famous chain of German Hotels. He has been offered a new job in a hotel in Mongolia and heard some news when he was there for his interview.

President Bush and Rumsfeld will be lobbying the Mongolian government to install a new base to counter China's growing threat.

Has anyone heard anything about his or can verify it? The arrival date of Bush and Rumsfeld is sometimein November.

Thanks,

00ps

just my uniformed opinion as to why a US base in mogolia is a bad idea


1 - utility - the US has bases in korea . okinawa , germany and alaska , what would the role of a mongolian base be ?

2 - land locked -all supplies would have to travel overliand - across terretory that may become hostile , or by air - at huge expense

3 - diplomacy - both rusia and chia would see a US military presense as a direct threat to them , basically - why do the US want troops on our borders ?


according to this press release :

news_link

claims that the us want to assist in building facilities and training centres for the mongolians - to encourage thier integration into the world community and world peace keeping efforts
thats all for now

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
just my uniformed opinion as to why a US base in mogolia is a bad idea

1 - utility - the US has bases in korea . okinawa , germany and alaska , what would the role of a mongolian base be ?

Containment. It's a very simple and effective strategy. You try and box in your adversary in order to prevent them from expanding their sphere of influence.

2 - land locked -all supplies would have to travel overliand - across terretory that may become hostile , or by air - at huge expense

All suplies would be flown in anyway, and the US has the best logistical system in the world.

3 - diplomacy - both rusia and chia would see a US military presense as a direct threat to them , basically - why do the US want troops on our borders ?

The whole reason the US would build bases in Mongolia is geo-politics

The US really doesn't care if Russia/China don't want troops on their boarder - the US will do what is in it's best interests.

QUOTE : " Containment. It's a very simple and effective strategy. You try and box in your adversary in order to prevent them from expanding their sphere of influence. "

CONTAINMENT ?? with what - exactly and how - mongolia is easy to bypass - look at an atlas

exactly whjat do you imagine the US could put into mongolia that would contain the chinese ?


QUOTE : " The whole reason the US would build bases in Mongolia is geo-politics "

please look at the REAL reason the US is making overtures to mongolia



QUOTE :"All suplies would be flown in anyway, and the US has the best logistical system in the world."

err ... right , the only time the US supplied any area by air alone was the berlin airlift - do you really think that a base in mongolia capabal of achieving ANYTHING will be able to be supplied by air ?

Originally posted by 00PS
President Bush and Rumsfeld will be lobbying the Mongolian government to install a new base to counter China's growing threat.

Perhaps your friend may be referring to scuttlebutt about the “Center of Excellence”

….Some of the annual $18 million in U.S. military aid to Mongolia will go to building a peacekeeping "center of excellence" at a base near the capital, where troops from around the world can train….(link)

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The US really doesn't care if Russia/China don't want troops on their boarder - the US will do what is in it's best interests

If the U.S. wants a base in Mongolia, then it is going to have to care about what the Russian and the Chinese have to say about it. Why? Mongolia has borders with two countries - China and Russia. It is not bordering any other country and is land-locked. Either the Chinese or Russians would be required to give access to their air-space or land area for shipping in arms or troops to Mongolia. If both of them say no, then you won't be able to do much except illegally smuggle in weapons/people, use indigenous equipment/people, or invade one of them. These aren't very good options.

This is an interesting illustration of the effectiveness of containment.

Why is this Americas interest anyway? Surely the Russians would be the ones worried about military on their eastern / southern flank.

One base would do nothing to stop a country like China if it even thought to sneeze in that region.

Its more of a pshychological kind of thing than the ability to actually contain China. If they tried to march west, they would have to run the risk of going through a US base.

It also would compensate for the loss of the base in Uzbeck.

Originally posted by Netchicken
One base would do nothing to stop a country like China if it even thought to sneeze in that region.

A 'home' nation UN peacekeeping base in China’s backyard just might, especially if Mongolia actually foots 5000+troops specifically for peacekeeping purposes internationally, centralizes command, co-operate the facilities, co-train and promote education programs for rebuilding nations (such as it is currently involved). The international backlash would stiffle China. If not, a US contingent might add to the deferment. Mongolia has been very active especially in events over the past 3-4 years,.

She will not suffer the pangs such as Taiwan has as a ‘breakaway’ if she continues playing it smart. Mongolia is/has been using the US as and economic facilitator, she see's the US as "her number one strategic ally" and the US is/has been using the ‘veil of peace’ in its’ relations with Mongolia. Nice fit.


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Well waddayaknow .. I learn something every day here
Nice answers

Originally posted by Netchicken
Nice answers

Thanks….but the credit goes the newer Mongolian regime.

It is really borderline ‘genius’ to have a standing military and reserve force of less than 20k and soundly defend against potentially many millions solely upon an adopted political policy and military principle.

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"I congratulate the people of Mongolia, the government and the armed forces of Mongolia for selecting that (peacekeeping) as a principle aspect of their military focus, and certainly the United States is anxious and willing and ready to be of assistance," Rumsfeld said.

A contingent of six U.S. Marines is working closely with the Mongolian Army, which numbers 11,000 in a nation of 2.8 million people, and the Pentagon is planning to supply the army with body armor and other equipment to help them design a more modern force proficient in peacekeeping duties…..
AP Wire Oct 22, 2005

This all married by 'sneaking by' with a US presence and support.... the proverbial ‘two birds with one stone”.

Asked whether Mongolia's neighbors, Russia and China, have expressed any concern about the growing U.S. military relationship with Mongolia, Secretary Rumsfeld asked, "why should they?"

"The relationship between our two countries is particularly focused on peacekeeping capabilities, something that the world needs and benefits from, and I can't imagine why you would ask the question," he said.

From previous post source, emphasis added.

It's almost laughable.


I wouldn't be surprised if the world doesn't see the Dalai Lama hanging around Mongolia next.

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