What happened over the last pole flip???

Evidence suggests that the Earths magnetic poles are going to flip sometime "soon"... (Soon being in the next couple hundred years, please dont panic!)

This project is an attempt to discern the climatic changes that occurred during the last 2-3 pole flips.

*note*

There is evidence that the events leading up to the pole flip included a global warming event.... which is a far cry from being caused by CO2 emmissions...

Scientists know the Earth's magnetic poles are getting ready to flip, so they plan to study an ice core shipped from Antarctica that can tell them what happened to the Earth the last time this occurred. They'll also be able to find out what the climate was like the last time Earth was in its current orbit�without the global warming caused by manmade pollution. This will tell them how much of the current warming is natural, and how much has been caused by us.
Magdeline Pokar writes in New Scientist that the ice core dates back at least 750,000 years, making it the oldest continuous ice core ever drilled. The gases and particles trapped in the layers of the ice reveal information about the Earth's climate and atmosphere, including periods of global warming.

www.unknowncountry.com...

*Grin*
This is a topic worthy of a research team with the vast amount of information and theories to be gathered on this.
The book 5/5/2000 was filled with such information, though the authors predictions did not come to fruitition, it still merited a read.
I will post what I find on this as I find it....relatively soon or in short order.

Good topic though DR.

regards
seekerof

Personally....
In respect to climatic changes, you will get an inbalance in distribution of mass ( ice build-up) that would have caused the Earth to flip (change the angle of rotation or even switch the poles with repspect to the ecliptical plane).

"POSSIBLE POLE-SHIFT PRECURSOR FOUND!
Two Scientists Have Detected A Large-Scale Redistribution Of Mass
Within The Earth System, Beginning in 1998!

Link:
www.huttoncommentaries.com...

DR, what I do question is the 750,000 year date. What are your thoughts as to when the last pole-shift occurred? If the destabilization occurred relatively recently (ie: 10,000 years ago,roughly), is this enough time to re-stabilize? Could it be coincidental with the dawn of agriculture and so called civilization say 7000 odd years ago?

I also recall a well documented research, for which I can not locate, that resulted in this hypothosis being scientific fact. The Research was done sometime ago using rock samples taken from somewhere in North America. Samples were drilled from varying layers of rock. Iron ore samples, taken at depths indicating the past few thousand years, were magenetised in the usual South-North alignment. Past this depth, the Iron ore samples were magentised in the opposite way, in a North-South alignment. This pattern seemed to be fairly consistent, with alignments alternating at different depths. So poles have been reversed in the past. Whether the Earth actually flipped to cause this is open to speculation, though its certainly a probablility.
Either way, if the Earth did not flip, I imagine a fair amount of chaos would be caused by this magentic reversal.

Also found this...which the link was not working but pulled from a source......

UK Sunday Times - Environment editor 12/1/03

> "The north Pole is on the move. Scientists have found large holes
in the Earth's magnetic field, suggesting that the north and south
poles are preparing to REVERSE POSITIONS. A period of chaos could be
approaching, when compasses no longer point north, migrating animals
take the wrong direction and sateliites are burnt up by solar
radiation. The holes lie over the South Atlantic and the Arctic. The
changes were revealed after detailed data from the Danish Orsted
satellite was analysed.
Results were compared with data from earlier satellites. The speed
of the change has surprised scientists. Nils Olsen, of the Centre
for Planetary Science in Denmark, one of several centres analysing
the data, said the Earth's core appeared to be undergoing dramatic
changes. He added: "This could be the state in which the Earth's
geodynamo operates before reversing."

Comment:
I agree with the potential chaos and effects, but the north magnetic pole
has been on the move for several thousands of years.
In my personal view, I do not think that the earth has ever undergone a
complete magnetic reversal independent of itself.
However, the magnetic poles can under certain circumstances alter, or
reverse, independently of the geographical poles.
The magnetic field is firmly implanted within the earth and is driven by a
previously induced electric current which has been and is decaying.
The magnetic field extends out to the magnetopause.
Only a direct electrical interaction with a highly charged exoterrestrial
body can induce such changes/reversals in the earth's magnetic dipoles and sometimes accompanied with a tilt.

> "The geodynamo is the way the magnetic field is generated by
currents of molten iron flowing around a solid core. Sometimes giant
vortices form in the liquid metal and they can change or even
reverse the magnetic fields above them. Olsen's team believes
vortices have formed beneath the north Pole and south Atlantic. If
they become powerful enough they could reverse all the currents,
causing the north and south poles to switch places."

Comment
In my view, the magnetic field of the earth is a remanent phenomenon, driven by an "acquired" electric current (not a "Geodynamo").
It had its beginnings, has been affected since and is decaying.
Originally, the north/south magnetic poles were coincident with the
north/south geographical poles.
Later events caused their separation and a subsequent wandering of the
magnetic dipoles.
The intersection of the current day magnetic poles are offset by 436
kilometers from the center of the earth.
The offsetness is towards the pacific basin.

> "Dr Andy Jackson, a specialist in geomagnetism at Leeds University
UK, said a change was long overdue:
"Such flips normally happen every 500,00 years, but it has now been 750,000 years since the last one".

Comment:
The last significant "flip" most likely happened 2600 years ago (given a
magnetic "half-life" of 1400 years), involving a partial tilt.
Since then the magnetic field intensity has decreased significantly.

> "The change could affect both humans and wildlife. The magnetosphere
gives vital protection against searing solar radiation that would
otherwise sterilise Earth. Although the magnetic field would not
disappear altogether, it might weaken while the poles switched,
resulting in a surge of radiations that could cause cancers, reduce
crops, and confuse migrating animals from whales to pigeons. For
scientists the big question is not whether but when the changeover
will happen. Some say it could be soon while others say it could be
anytime in the next 1,000 years".

Comment
A dramatic decrease in magnetic field strength is the most likely cause for
such potential conditions (ie the field strength decreases in "jumps" and
thus becomes more noticeable).

Through my readings of Velikovsky, Hatcher Childress, etc... I've seen mention of ancient legends that speak of times when the sun rose in the West and set in the East, and that it has changed directions many times. I don't remember if it was a Native American legend, or if it was Egyptian/Middle Eastern. Perhaps such stories are clues about our pole-shifting past?

I've wondered for a while if past deluges and worldwide catastrophes have affected the way we date the Geological strata? I mean, geologists assume that the layers are thousands to millions of years of sedimentation/deposition of dirt. Perhaps what we've been calling 'millions of years' old are really 'tens of thousands of years' old?

Found this article:
"SATELLITES REVEAL A MYSTERY OF LARGE CHANGE IN EARTH'S GRAVITY FIELD"
Link:
www.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Then "Charles H. Hapgood"
Link:
paranormal.about.com...://www.poleshift.org/ps/Charles_Hapgood.html


This is a bit of what I could find thus far....will find more.
Leave this poem for the time being:

"High Flight"

"Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, � and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence.
Hov'ring there, I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .
Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,
Where never lark, or even eagle flew �
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God."


regards
seekerof

What if the ice they are going to core was a result of the actual pole flip?

How then are they going to get accurate data?

OK,

First of all, when we talk about a pole flip, we are not talking about the physical rotational poles... we are talking about the magnetic poles ONLY.

We currently have no evidence that the spin axis of the planet has ever varied more than a couple of degrees since the planets formation and the formation of the moon (which could well be the event that gave the earth its 23 degree axial tilt).

As noted, the magnetic poles tend to wander, as they have been known to do ever since we have actually physically located them in the first place. However, in recent years, the "wander" has indeed accelerated, and it is proposed that this is an indicator of internal instability of the magnetic core field that provides the planetary geomagnetic field.

Our best evidence to date indicates that in the event of a magnetic field flip (magnetic pole flip), what essentially happens is that the planetary geomagnetic field gradually fades down to approximately 5-10% of normal concentration, and then comes back up to normal in the opposite polar direction. It should be noted that we do not believe the geomagnetic field ever fades to complete zero, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE PHYSICAL SPIN AXIS OF THE PLANET REMAINS UNCHANGED.

*It should also be noted that this magnetic pole flip is NOT instantaneous, but will likely take place over several decades if not centuries*

Other supporting evidence that the magnetic field flip is likely is that the observed/measured geomagnetic field has indeed decreased by about 1-2% over the past decade or so... (This should give you an idea of just what time scale to expect a geomag flip)

While there may well be some internal mass movement inside the mantel in response to this magnetic flip, we have no evidence that it is to any magnitude that could potentially affect the rotational qualities of the planet.

"What, Where and Why."

"Have the poles always been in the actual position, if not where were they?

The poles tend to shift, but this takes 26'000 years and is a very slow process.

When the North and South pole did shift, how can we shift a pole?.

Could the Ice-Cap have destabilized the earth rotation, does it have enough mass to do this?.

Why does the Earth tilt of axis not match the Orbital inclination of the Moon (Difference +/- 18�), then the Earth-Moon combination is a binary system which tends to synchonize their movements.

Has the misalignment of +/- 17� towards actual North of some Maya temples in the Yucatan to do whith a possible pole displacement?

Did the Earth always rotate at the same speed, or did it rotate faster (Days are shorter = more days in a Year), or did it rotate slower (Days are longer = less day in a Year)?.

Why does the center of the ice cap of 10'000 BC show a difference of 12� to 20� towards actual North?.

Could the actual Magnetic pole have been the North pole 12'000 Years ago?.

Could the center of the IceCap of 10'000 BC have been the Nort Pole (Situates on Actual GreenLand)?.

Modifying the Earth rotation speed and angle chages the pole position to, but requires a fair amount of energie, producing however an immediate effect (This is what likly happened anyway, see more in � How did it happen �).

"Considerations, what could and what could not happen."

Mamouths have been frozen complete and intact, which gives us a time-scale of 24 hours maximum.

The total mass of the IceCap of 12'000 years ago makes 0.0005 % of the total mass of the Earth, so dont expect this to make any difference.

An collision whith an astriod or comet in the right place and the right angle produces this (un)disired effect, like someone playing billard making the billardball spin by hitting it a particular way.

The Earth is a ball and as such a symetric object which can, in upposite to a toll, spin in any direction.

Because of the gyroscopic effect of its rotation, the Earth will not chanche position by itself without an influance of an external force (Sun, Moon or colision with an object).

The Earth - Moon combination is a binary star system, which stabilizes the rotation, and ihibits such movements as the movements of rotation axis we can observe from other planets of our solar system, who do not have a � sabilizer �."

Link: atlantis.w-smit.com...


"Evidence of a Poleshift, Part I"
Link:
www.survive2012.com...

"Frozen Muck"
"Rancho La Brea tar pits"
"Frozen Mammoths"
"Bone Caves"
"Arctic Coral and Water Lilies"
"The Weight of Ice"
"Recent Extinction of Large Quadrupeds"

"Evidence of a Poleshift, Part II"
Link:
www.survive2012.com...

"Floods"
"Volcanoes"
"Seashells"


"ON THE POSSIBILITY OF VERY RAPID SHIFTS OF THE POLES"
Link:
wwwesterni.unibg.it...
(Very good read)


regards
seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
"What, Where and Why."

"Have the poles always been in the actual position, if not where were they?

Depends on the theory you are reading, but I tend to lean towards yes for the most part, give or take a couple of degrees of inclination, as most evidence points to this.

The poles tend to shift, but this takes 26'000 years and is a very slow process.

This is known as precession, and is integral to the Milakovich Cycles. The poles dont actually shift, but slowly revolve or "wobble".

When the North and South pole did shift, how can we shift a pole?.

Has never happened in known the known geologic record.

Could the Ice-Cap have destabilized the earth rotation, does it have enough mass to do this?.

No, as noted by Seekerof, it doesnt have the required mass to do so. In addition, again as mentioned, the gyroscopic stabilization of the earths rotation would tend to automatically stabilize any disruptions.

Why does the Earth tilt of axis not match the Orbital inclination of the Moon (Difference +/- 18�), then the Earth-Moon combination is a binary system which tends to synchonize their movements.

There are more than a few theories that the moon originated from a massive earth impact of an asteroid, ripping a large section of the planet off to form the moon in orbit. The impact could easily have given us the 23 degree axial tilt that we have today. In such a system, the moon would enter orbit at an inclination relative to the impact angle of the asteroid, and would likely be independent of the earths axial tilt.

Has the misalignment of +/- 17� towards actual North of some Maya temples in the Yucatan to do whith a possible pole displacement?

I have not read anything about this, if you have further information, please post.

Did the Earth always rotate at the same speed, or did it rotate faster (Days are shorter = more days in a Year), or did it rotate slower (Days are longer = less day in a Year)?.

It is known that the earths rotation is gradually slowing down due to tidal drag from the moon. It is theorized that prior to the moon arriving in orbit the earth had a slightly longer day/night cycle.

Why does the center of the ice cap of 10'000 BC show a difference of 12� to 20� towards actual North?.

Granted I have not done a good deal of research about arctic and antarctic icecaps, so this may be valid, although I have no information on it. However, this does not necessarily mean, even if its true, that it indicates a pole change, as Antarctica is on a mobile tectonic plate and has migrated significant distances in the geologic record. It is known to at one time be a part of the Indian continental plate.

Could the actual Magnetic pole have been the North pole 12'000 Years ago?.

It is possible that the magnetic pole and the physical pole could have overlapped some time in the past, and there may well be data to support this. However, evidence suggests that the two move independently of each other.Keep in mind, the magnetic pole has always wandered throughout the geologic record.

Could the center of the IceCap of 10'000 BC have been the Nort Pole (Situates on Actual GreenLand)?.

See my previous comments about this. Dont assume that a paleo ice cap was actually where you find it today, and interpret that to mean that the spin axis was once there... tectonic plates move a lot...

Modifying the Earth rotation speed and angle chages the pole position to, but requires a fair amount of energie, producing however an immediate effect (This is what likly happened anyway, see more in � How did it happen �).



"Considerations, what could and what could not happen."

Mamouths have been frozen complete and intact, which gives us a time-scale of 24 hours maximum.

The total mass of the IceCap of 12'000 years ago makes 0.0005 % of the total mass of the Earth, so dont expect this to make any difference.

An collision whith an astriod or comet in the right place and the right angle produces this (un)disired effect, like someone playing billard making the billardball spin by hitting it a particular way.

The Earth is a ball and as such a symetric object which can, in upposite to a toll, spin in any direction.

Because of the gyroscopic effect of its rotation, the Earth will not chanche position by itself without an influance of an external force (Sun, Moon or colision with an object).

The Earth - Moon combination is a binary star system, which stabilizes the rotation, and ihibits such movements as the movements of rotation axis we can observe from other planets of our solar system, who do not have a � sabilizer �."

Link: atlantis.w-smit.com...


"Evidence of a Poleshift, Part I"
Link:
www.survive2012.com...

"Frozen Muck"
"Rancho La Brea tar pits"
"Frozen Mammoths"
"Bone Caves"
"Arctic Coral and Water Lilies"
"The Weight of Ice"
"Recent Extinction of Large Quadrupeds"

"Evidence of a Poleshift, Part II"
Link:
www.survive2012.com...

"Floods"
"Volcanoes"
"Seashells"


"ON THE POSSIBILITY OF VERY RAPID SHIFTS OF THE POLES"
Link:
wwwesterni.unibg.it...
(Very good read)


regards
seekerof

From the link provided....

"Could the orientation of some Maya temples be an indication of a pole shift?"


"This drawing shows a Maya temple with some unusual mis-orientation of 17� towards west, I have used this drawing to see or pole-shift would put the main orientation of most of the elements to an North - South and East - West position. Then an other orientation of the poles gives different results, this depending on the place on Earth. Then some do move their North - South orientation to the West as in other places the orientation goes the in the other direction."


"This drawing shows the same temple as above, but with an orientation shift of 17� as the temple would have had before the pole shift had taken place from it's pre-diluvian position on GreenLand to it's actual position.
It could be that the Maya's did build some of their temples on top of older existing temples (It is known that they did indeed do this from time to time).
They would likely have build one or more of their temples on top of much older existing ones and conserved by doing so their original position.
The actual ones are not so old that they could be 12'000 years old. It is very unlikely that the Maya's existed that time, and it is more likely that they did follow up an other pre-existing culture, like the Aztec's picked up their culture and contignued it."



regards
seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
From the link provided....

"Could the orientation of some Maya temples be an indication of a pole shift?"

No. They didn't use compasses. They had no idea of where the poles were wandering, and the North Star hasn't wandered that far during the time that the Maya were a civilization.

And a drawing without a reference map isn't a good indication... there could have been some reason for the orientation (if all their other temples were oriented a particular way), such as a hillside or a stream edge or some such feature.

Originally posted by Seekerof
"What, Where and Why."

Did the Earth always rotate at the same speed, or did it rotate faster (Days are shorter = more days in a Year), or did it rotate slower (Days are longer = less day in a Year)?.

Yes it's changed. Blame it on the Moon slowing us down. You can find evidence of this in geological records. The slowing is fairly constant and is on the order of seconds every thousand years or so.

"Considerations, what could and what could not happen."

Mamouths have been frozen complete and intact, which gives us a time-scale of 24 hours maximum.

The cause of death of those varies and Suddenly Dropping Dead isn't an indicator of pole shifts... otherwise (given the number of animals and people who drop dead yearly) the poles would be whipping around like mad.

As to the mammoths, some died in bogs, some drowned... there were various causes of death. The ages of the bodies ranges from 40,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago:
www.talkorigins.org...

An collision whith an astriod or comet in the right place and the right angle produces this (un)disired effect, like someone playing billard making the billardball spin by hitting it a particular way.

The Earth is a ball and as such a symetric object which can, in upposite to a toll, spin in any direction.

Not exactly. It's more of an oblate spheroid. And as for changing the spin, try changing the spin of a raw egg by propelling another egg at it. That's what would happen if our Earth was grazed by another planet.

Some (reputable) scientists believe that there was life on Earth (as in bacteria, etc) before the Moon was captured and that after the Earth was destroyed and rebuilt (on the order of 3 billion years ago, if I remember rightly) life arose again.

"Evidence of a Poleshift, Part I"
Link:
www.survive2012.com...

"Frozen Muck"
"Rancho La Brea tar pits"
"Frozen Mammoths"
"Bone Caves"
"Arctic Coral and Water Lilies"
"The Weight of Ice"
"Recent Extinction of Large Quadrupeds"

Here we've got a wide variety of events covering a timescale not of a year or a few years, but 100,000 years. This is not evidence of anything.

"Evidence of a Poleshift, Part II"
Link:
www.survive2012.com...

"Floods"
"Volcanoes"
"Seashells"

This is not terribly convincing material. Floods happen all the time, and those associated with ice ages are not unknown (where meltwater suddenly breaks through an ice dam in certain areas.) It happened within the past 300 years in Alaska (end of the "little Ice Age".)

Seashells... the writer, alas, knows little about geology. His "evidence" is far older than he thinks it is.

I love his idea that the ruined docks of Tiuahanaco are evidence that the land was suddenly lifted up. The idea that the lake may have been drained to its present level by one or more earthquakes or a change in the weather apparently didn't occur to him.


Let's look at the geology:
The most recent shift occurred 780,000 years ago:
ask.yahoo.com...

None of the above events took place in that timeframe. For a brief history of the past million or so years, look here:
www.bartleby.com...

And match that against all the pole shift data. You'll see there's no correlation.