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Originally posted by Whiterabbit29
and the fact that the acceleration of the craft measured by the radar wiould have killed any human pilot very interesting stuff IMO
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Originally posted by Whiterabbit29
and the fact that the acceleration of the craft measured by the radar wiould have killed any human pilot very interesting stuff IMO
Thats interesting what types of acceleration did they clock? Even if thats true it doesn't have to point to anything alien. Im mean even earthly aircraft do not require human pilots anymore as evident with modern UAVs.
Originally posted by plop
I think the maximum acceleration recorded by the radars was 40G.
[edit on 17-10-2005 by plop]
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Well atleast concerning that type of G force its been proven humans can survive even more then that. During the cold war, the air force did studies using a rocket sled, led by Dr. John P. Stapp. By riding the decelerator sled himself, Dr. Stapp demonstrated that a human can withstand at least 45 G's in the forward position, with adequate harness.
Im not sure about 'infinite acceleration' though. Im not sure how you can conclude a craft was able to do that from some short radar information since 'infinite' acceleration is against the laws of physics we have. Infinite would suggest it could accelerate well beyond the speed of light. I dont know how you could claim a craft could do that without seeing it break the light barrier.
quote: Originally posted by mrmulder
Caller: ...I couldn't believe it, you actually brought up the black triangles and just this summer, I remembered that I'd seen one in 1996 in Michigan and I don't know what was stranger - seeing it, or the fact that I didn't think about it for seven years.
GN: Well, I'll tell you, it's been around for at least that long. I remember, Steven, some police officers in Millstat, Illinois right around that time period also witnessed it, but that was near Scott Air Force Base, so here again, they're near military bases.
SG: Right, but at the same time, there's a large number of reports in areas that aren't near military bases and that are centered around unstable seismic areas, areas where there's a lot of volcanic activity. We have found that, in fact, around the Pacific Ring of Fire, wherever there have been significant eruptions of volcanoes, and we reported this back in the early nineties, that there have been very serious and well documented sightings of a variety of these craft, including the large triangular ones, that appear to be monitoring and looking into whatever it is that they're concerned about regarding the instability around the Pacific Rim and the Pacific Ring of Fire (or so-called Pacific Ring of Fire where all the volcanoes are) and seismic areas there and this has been reported all over the world and not just around the Pacific Basin, but also in Europe and other places.
GN: But they're huge! I mean, they're absolutely huge!
SG: Yes, and what's interesting, the ones that we encountered in Belgium...one of them came over us at Henri-Chappell down out of a cloud and just one corner of it that dipped down was so enormous and a light that was at one end of it looked as if it was larger than a full moon as it was descending on us and some of the gendarmes that we interviewed and spoke with said that one of these objects was over a little town near Henri-Chappell in Eastern Belgium and it was hovering right above the town's steeple and at one point - they left this out of the official reports because they were afraid of being ridiculed - this enormous object that was three football fields long on each side of this enormous triangle, very silent, maybe a slight transformer humming sound which is what I've heard from them, suddenly collapsed into what looked like a red pulsing ball, a plasmalike ball of of energy and then shot straight up out into space. I have heard that report and our groups have seen this sort of phenomenon before, where you have something like, well, what has happened to it? It has shifted, what, out of dimension, or into some other energy form? Here is this massive structured craft that suddenly appears to just collapse into this pulsing point of energy and then flies out into space. So, that's the sort of - these things are so fascinating and by the way, this is how I really got hooked on this whole thing because when I was a child, as I mentioned, when I was eight or nine years old, I saw one of these objects in broad daylight. It was more of a disc-shaped object, silently hovering and some boys and I in the neighborhood saw it. Of course, my family said "Oh,yes. Well it's the imagination of a little boy." But it stuck with me, and so this caller - many people have seen these objects and you never forget it when you've seen one...
...those (non-illuminated crafts) have been seen and they can be enormous and move at tremendous velocities and make all kinds of right hand turns and what have you, at thousands of miles per hour. I'll also point out that when they're right at the point that is at this what I call Crossing Point phenomenon where it's not quite here but not quite there either in terms of its resonance, they take on a plasma and etheric quality and the edges of them do become very blurry and quite amorphous, almost mirage like. I know that Colonel Corso described that in one of the craft that he saw out there at Holloman Air Force Base, where in fact it would be solid and then it would disappear and there'd just almost be like a heat wave distortion in the air and the space around where it was and then it would re-materialize again. So, you're dealing with technologies that do these sort of things and it's really quite fascinating.
What astonished me for all this period, was the differences in the reaction in the population. About everybody knew somebody who had witnessed the phenomenon. Everyone bathed in full mystery and the press did not say anything at large.
Certain people were curious, others couldn't care less; but there were enough people who were obviously frightened. They threw themselves at every bit of newspaper article that dedramatized the events so they they could laugh at the idiots who believed in the "little green men."
These people had really the jitter and verbally attacked all those who raised questions. The debunkers were numerous, they were not the Belgian army nor the CIA, they were Mister Average. I remember that scouts had made a fireworks and had been disguizing as Martians, a newspaper had made an article about it, what a relief, all was explained.
It is difficult to draw up a standard portrait of this type of panic-fearers; but if they have a scientific formation, they believed they were automatically obliged to protect correct thinking from any worrying drift.
It is in that spirit that one can understand reactions by Marc Hallet and some scientists of the University of Liege (see the article on this site: anti Belgian vagueness).
ufologie.net...
These lights are distinctly more intense than stars and planets, they don't move and are located at the apexes of an equilateral triangle. Their color is changing: red, green and yellow.
A new call from Mr. Renkin points out a new phenomenon: three other lights move towards the first triangle. One of these lights is far brighter than the others.
the bright points have the dimension of a big star(*); their color changes continually. The prevailing color is red; then it changes itself in blue, green, yellow and white, but not always in the same order. The lights are very clear, as if they were signals: this enables to distinguish them from stars.
The ground witnesses see three times the F-16 pass along. During the third pass, they see the planes turning in circles at the center of the great formation initially seen. At the same time, they notice the disappearance of the little triangle, while the brightest, western point of the big triangle moves very fast, probably up. This point emits intense red signals, in a repetitive way, during the maneuver.
UFO seen towards Orp-Jauche (SW of Jodoigne) is the brightest and has a yellow-red color. The luminous points move with jerky and short moves.
www.ufoevidence.org...