Amendment 10 Voids "Patriot Acts" & National Security Act; so does "Marbury VS Madison"

James, your listed sites are mostly preachers and christian organizations, right? You've got lots of scriptures in your tagline also. I'm wondering what is your opinion of jainism, hinduism and buddhism. If you are going to label one group patriotic, and one group not, you should be able to prove your point.

There are lots of "patriots" for the USA on the board. I'm sure many of them would fail your criteria, but they consider themselves willing to fight for the US, if needed, so they're patriots in my book. Hell, I'm a patriot for that same reason: When the crap hits the fan, I'll have a rifle in my hand. To me, that's a patriot.

Those sites you linked to have little credibility, at least when compared to ATS. Why is that? Because ATS not only has patriots, but non-patriots too. Everyone is free to discuss the matter. As I am sure you realize, this means there will be both crosstalk and interference happening at the same time as actual discussion and truth.

You are forming your opinion of ATS too quickly, and it seems to have a paranoid schitzo flavor to it. I don't doubt that you're on a mission or whatever, but you need to chill out and respect the fact that you do not define what a patriot is.

You want people to get out on loudspeakers? Man, that's been done. The sixties are in the history book. It won't make a crapload of difference, IMO. The NWO movers have had a lot of time to think about this endgame, and if you're just realizing it now, you're a latecomer to reality.

How will you motivate the US people to action when less than half of the people in the US actually vote? Even at the height of the sixties you only got 60% out to the polls. So when the big NWO elections went down (the Bush elections), only 55% of the voter-age folks could be bothered to vote. BushCo knows they've got this thing locked up. The war on terror is globally in full swing.

If Christ is going to help you, why are you so worried?


[edit on 1-10-2005 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by smallpeeps
James, your listed sites are mostly preachers and christian organizations, right? You've got lots of scriptures in your tagline also. If you are going to label one group patriotic, and one group not, you should be able to prove your point."

That's a lying mischaracterization, smallpeeps! What religious group did I label? APFN.org stands for American PATRIOT friends network, where loyalists & constitutionalists clash, but constitutionalists are in the majority. Patriots-for-US is another site where constitutionalists are the vast majority.

The only religious site posted was by mistake in this thread...lawfulpath.com, which has switched operators since I last looked. It WAS by & for lawmen against the NWO, previously.

And Alex Jones is not a preacher, at www.prisonplanet.com... he's also at www.infowars.com... He's a patriot risking his life against the NWO elimination of rights globally, not only in the USA.

Ex Office of Naval Intelligence officer whistleblower William Cooper was killed by gov on his own land, for leading the patriot movement. His side of the story can't be told because they killed him. THAT's a patriot!

"When the crap hits the fan, I'll have a rifle in my hand. To me, that's a patriot."

It did hit the fan, with the staged 9/11 www.letsroll911.org... incident with gov complicity, followed by Patriot Acts treason against the Bill of Rights. If you fight for totalitarians in control, depriving fellow citizens of life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness rights, you're no patriot.

"ATS not only has patriots, but non-patriots too."

I noticed that, yes.

"you do not define what a patriot is."

The Declaration Preamble does define a patriot as one willing to accept the "duty to alter or abolish" unconstitutional governance. You're either for the Bill of Rights entirely for all, or a traitor.

"How will you motivate the US people to action when less than half of the people in the US actually vote? Even at the height of the sixties you only got 60% out to the polls. So when the big NWO elections went down (the Bush elections), only 55% of the voter-age folks could be bothered to vote. BushCo knows they've got this thing locked up. The war on terror is globally in full swing."

No vote is a vote of no confidence. Both Bush & Kerry are admitted members of Bohemian Grove/Illuminati related "Skull & Bones". An election can't be any more rigged than it was with the frauds cited at www.blackboxvoting.org...

And the so called "war on terror" is a lie based on lies. The invasion violated international laws, against a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11, (128000 dead civilians), in which we use depleted uranium munitions on civilian areas & veterans. The alleged weapons of mass destruction were eliminated in the first gulf war. Google Downing Street Memo.

If abolishment of all rights at the whim of feds doesn't bother you, you aren't upholding the Constitution any. Feds have used Patriot Acts removal of rights in a marijuana smuggling case, and other criminal (not terrorist) matters, & against US citizen Jose Padilla.


[quote"If Christ is going to help you, why are you so worried?"by smallpeeps


I NEVER said I was worried about myself, but about the trusting fools who don't know the nature of the beast they trust. Resistance is growing.
www.freeway-blogger.com...
I'm worried about ever restoring the Bill of Rights, with liberty and justice for ALL, not just those gov allows.

Do people that are not citizens of America, get the same rights as Americans?

In America?

[edit on 1-10-2005 by SpittinCobra]

That's a lying mischaracterization, smallpeeps! What religious group did I label? APFN.org stands for American PATRIOT friends network, where loyalists & constitutionalists clash, but constitutionalists are in the majority. Patriots-for-US is another site where constitutionalists are the vast majority.

blackboxvoting = good site, but voting is passe and Americans don't care.
911inplanesight.com = fundie christian (run by a televangelist).
apfn.com = "patriot" website. Some good stuff here.
lawfulpath.com = fundie christians, links and verbage.
prisonplanet.com = fundie christian, although I do like him.

I'm tired of hearing christians yap about the government when its the so-called Christian coalition that has delivered us into the hands of BushCo. Now, when the curtain is falling and Christians learn what's going on, they're all up in arms. They should've acted much sooner.

Don't worry James, I do believe you and I am on your side. Now that we're looking at a crazy death-worshipping skull-n'-bonez cult which has hijacked our country, what action should we take? The NWO cuffs are on already. BushCo controls the media, congress, the executive office and now the judicial branch.

My point is this: This all started decades ago, so why are you all up in arms now? You seem to expect ATS to become some rallying point, but it's simply an information forum. Yes, ATS can help you discover the truth about the world, but then what?

Even if we get on bullhorns in the street, like you say, and the results are equal to the protests of the sixties (very hard to do after the WTO protests in Seattle), you still have a fat, lazy electorate who doesn't care who their politicians are, and who cannot be bothered to reform the system.

As for the missing TV reporter you mentioned, perhaps something can be done to find her. That's my interest. Saving america from BushCo isn't really possible, IMO.

The "gold fringe" myth about the U.S. Flag is nothing but an urban legend. This is true for the myth concerning the vertical striped "civilian" flag as well.

The gold trim is found on ceremonial flags, to be used indoors and for ceremonies only. They originally were used on military flags. The fringe has no specific significance, but is considered completely within the guidelines of proper flag etiquette. There is nothing in the flag code indicating that the fringe is for federal government flags only. The Internet contains many sites that claim that the fringe indicates martial law or that the Constitution does not apply in that area. These are entirely unfounded (usually citing Executive Order 10834 and inventing text that is not part of the order) and should be dismissed as urban legends.

Here is a short list of urban legends regarding the U.S. flag. Let's put the flag discussion to sleep.

Zip

[edit on 10/1/2005 by Zipdot]

Originally posted by smallpeeps

"blackboxvoting = good site, but voting is passe and Americans don't care."

Speak for yourself, apathetic American. Message boards are full of people that do care and are trying to awaken others. Not voting is a vote of no confidence in EITHER ruling party.


quote]"911inplanesight.com = fundie christian (run by a televangelist)."

I didn't notice ANY mention of denomination nor religion at that site. YOU judge by whether a person is Christian or not, apparently, not me.

"lawfulpath.com = fundie christians, links and verbage."

As I said, posting that was a mistake. The site is irrelevant since changing from being a site BY & FOR lawmen against NWO.

"prisonplanet.com = fundie christian, although I do like him."

I don't recall Jones EVER saying anything about his faith, much less if it's fundamentalist. What fundamentalist denomination do you say he belongs to? He keeps faith pretty much out of it. You judged him because you think he's religious, not because he claimed to be religious.

'I'm tired of hearing christians yap about the government when its the so-called Christian coalition that has delivered us into the hands of BushCo."

I got news, not all Christians voted for Bush, and those that did are dupes for his masquerading as a Christian. I did not deliver apathetic you into the hands of Bush.

"This all started decades ago, so why are you all up in arms now? You seem to expect ATS to become some rallying point, but it's simply an information forum."

ATS is insignificant in cyberland messageboard universe. I post the same at Christian sites & patriot sites. I've been up in arms since the attempted murder/frame in 1984 on me failed & SPD covered up the evidence delivered in the biggest serial killercase in US history (Green River).

I called everyone that should be called, including the Clinton White House, & senator Murray, & DoD Inspector General, & GAO, & media. NSA outranks gov officials on NSA coverups. I'm not new to the fight. I asked ACLU to assist me against NSA & 1947 National Security Act, via registered letter. ACLU always answers requests in writing, but this time I got no receipt nor answer. In 1993, I asked Canada for refugee status to escape the murdering framer terrorism I & my daughter have been subjected to, hoping to take the pressure off, but was rejected.

"As for the missing TV reporter you mentioned, perhaps something can be done to find her. That's my interest. Saving america from BushCo isn't really possible, IMO."

The tv show has been running captions about Dawn Montoya and talking about her for months. She'd contact the show if she wasn't MIA. SPD has been zero help.

Allowing Skull & Bones to commandeer America & remove US sovereignity via WTO/NAFTA/CAFTA/GATT/FTAA agreements, & void the Bill of Rights at will without disclosure would make the founding fathers that fought for it disgusted, besides being in violation of Amendment 10. Surrendering the fight without a fight doesn't make you a patriot either.

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Do people that are not citizens of America, get the same rights as Americans?

In America?

[edit on 1-10-2005 by SpittinCobra]

Depends.

LPRs (legal permanent residents) have the same rights (generally) as citizens; there are a few exceptions though (can't vote, for example).

Visitors, tourists and undocumented persons don't have the same rights at all.

Now, even citizens don't have the same rights they thought & think they have.

Patriot Acts overthrow of the Bill of Rights has been used against citizens like Padilla, & the lawyer from Oregon, and in criminal cases that have nothing to do with terrorism. I gave an example of a suspiciously vanished activist.

Gov refuses to admit taking her, & refuses to accept a missing persons report on her. Either they're covering up for whatever did happen to her, or they have her. Nondisclosure clauses mean they don't have to admit anything, much less allow Constitutional trials, or keep anyone alive.

Even homeless people near gov buildings were openly declared as "possible terrorists", leaving them with ZERO rights, that were guaranteed by the Constitution.
It's a constitutional crisis, all right!

Originally posted by James J Dierbeck
Now, even citizens don't have the same rights they thought & think they have.

That wasn't the question asked...thus my answer.

It was a simply query regarding the difference between assumed rights of a citizen, versus those of a non-citizen. Whether those citizen's rights are actually upheld wasn't the point; the point was a non-citizen starts out with less than the citizen to begin with.

There are two new articles on the subject of gold fronge flags just added to the RESEARCH page of www.truthquestonline.info...

Much at Google also disagrees that gold fringe is merely decorative, without meaning. A naysayer doesn't mean it's not correct. Denial of there being a meaning to it is not proven, that I see.

The point is that many Internet websites have copied each other and duplicated the *made up* text from the executive order. The text was invented. Fraudulent. Misleading. Incorrect. Deceptive. False. Forged. Deceitful. Dishonest. Devious. Counterfeit. Bogus. Artificial. Illegitimate. Fictitious. Fake. Phony.

Sooooo, there's not really much else to say about it. It's an urban legend.

Zip