Bush accepts full responsibility for Katrina response.

As far as I've seen in this thread nobody has blamed the moron for the hurricane. So why bring that up?

As for what happened before the storm nobody is doubting that the money didn't go ware it was suppose to. Every state does that with federal money, its status quo. I know its not right but it is the way things are done.

The biggest mistakes were made after the storm by our leader. he dragged his feet and people died, needlessly. he didn't drag his feet on pushing us into a war based on lies that he knew were lies. guess what people died there to.

hmm I'm seeing a trend here. He is a bad leader period. If he was the CEO of a company who was responsible for death and injury there would be an investigation and criminal negligence charges would be brought into play. The leader is ultimately responsible.

You cant change that you cant hide that. As for it not helping it is, Its all about the future from this point on. Keep bad leadership from making mistakes that cost more American lives.

You say they knuw it was coming well so did bush.

I'm with Rant, of all things, this clown decides to take the blame for the incredible negligence of a mayor and a governor.

Why would he take the blame that should rest squarely on the shoulders of a couple of very incompetent politicians at the municiple and state level? Come on, put your conspiratorial tin foil hats squarely on your noggins and work with me! Could it be that there is going to be some new legislation coming down the pike, taking more of what little states' rights away, giving the feds more authority to move in and take over, even if a state doesn't request it?

Finger pointing...
Didn't take long for the authorities to get the two owners of the nursing home into custody did it?
www.msnbc.msn.com...
This was indeed a very grave situation and I am not going to debate here now the rights and wrongs of this case, but these were 34 lives that were taken.
Latest figures running at 400-500 dead with estimates of thousands dead!!
Who were the carers for the rest of the region down there???
Wake up America, after 9/11 and no solid plans for evacuation... think we all need to look at our own local evacuation plans or make our own. I for one won't be relying on the authorities!!
What a terrible world we live in.
Do we have to look so far to see the enemy??
I hope everyone has had a chance to check out this other thread going on right now, if not take a look.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Great, now when's he going to take responsibility for lying about Iraq and Afghanistan?

Personally I think he should resign. He's done nothing but help tear this country apart the past 5 years.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I'm with Rant, of all things, this clown decides to take the blame for the incredible negligence of a mayor and a governor.

Why would he take the blame that should rest squarely on the shoulders of a couple of very incompetent politicians at the municiple and state level? Come on, put your conspiratorial tin foil hats squarely on your noggins and work with me! Could it be that there is going to be some new legislation coming down the pike, taking more of what little states' rights away, giving the feds more authority to move in and take over, even if a state doesn't request it?

That's exactly what I've been screaming for the past week now. This whole episode reeks of foul play. FEMA has settled, relieved, and recovered hundreds of hurricanes, what makes this one so different? The DHS is what makes it different.

I severely think they were held back and prevented from doing their job by deliberate red tape through the DHS.

The opportunity arrived to take down 2 politicians of one of the most corrupt local/state governments in the US and now he accepts partial blame? (my opinion)

Just wait, in a few weeks/months/year, there will be sweeping changes given to FEMA/DHS all based on what has happened with Katrina. The media will tell us it's ok, and we'll be left without a voice.. as usual.

Just wait.

[edit on 9/14/2005 by QuietSoul]

People, I work largely with state government in my commonwealth of Kentucky. I was recently involved in a federal mandated program called NIMS or NIMCAST. National Incident Mahagment System. Ours was the first state to become federally certified through NIMS. In doing this work, it became painfully obvious that emergency situations are handled completely different coast to coast here in the US. This program was an attempt by the feds to get a handle on how prepared each state is to handle disaster whether man made or not. This was directed by the governor through the STATE OFFICE of Homeland Security.

Point is this, those who want to play their little stupid political crybaby games can and will do it no matter what. Those of us who understand what happened down there know why need to begin to focus on future preparedness and prevention.

If you want my opinion, the responsibility is first at the state and local level. Yes, mistakes were made, huge mistakes! However, in watching the coverage, it seemed that massive operations got underway rather quickly to rescue those in immediate danger from wind and flood. I do heavily fault FEMA for blocking the Red Cross and private donations just to feel they had assumed total control. That fault lies solely on the man in charge and that is President Bush. However, he seems to have rapidly dealt with the problem by firing the boob they put in charge and no doubt replacing him with an even bigger boob.

This one aspect cannot take the charge of public saftey from the state and local officials. When something happens in this state, its state officials who deal with it. Why, because we're better adapt to the territory and procedures of local responders and are less likely to screw things up. When state officials screw things up, its those officials who are held accountable. In my opinion, they all failed to grasp the magnatude of what was looming and probably did have provisions in place which were also wiped out. Talk about embarrassing, we have supplies in place for a hurricane but we kinda put em' in the path of the hurricane thereby losing them.

The comment about Mississippi and Florida was well put. How is it L.A./N.O. is the only problem here? I think its because you had two incompetent people in charge.

Lastly, even though mistakes were made, considering the vast area affected and tendency for residents to get themselves into trouble by underestimating this storm, I'd say the troops did a good job once they were requested and sent in. Remember, these are guys who had to leave their homes and come down to this mess and some had likely not been back from Iraq very long before having to go again.

Political crybaby games? You astro are a funny guy. It's called OUTCRY and people have -every- right to do this. This is a forum for the exchange of opinions, views, information etc etc etc. Sounds like you are the one that's "crying" hence the starting of your last post. I especially find it amusing when you said this:

"Those of us who understand what happened down there know why need to begin to focus on future preparedness and prevention.

If you want my opinion, the responsibility is first at the state and local level. Yes, mistakes were made, huge mistakes! However, in watching the coverage, it seemed that massive operations got underway rather quickly to rescue those in immediate danger from wind and flood. I do heavily fault FEMA for blocking the Red Cross and private donations just to feel they had assumed total control. That fault lies solely on the man in charge and that is President Bush. However, he seems to have rapidly dealt with the problem by firing the boob they put in charge and no doubt replacing him with an even bigger boob. "



"Those of us who understand what happened down there know why need to begin to focus on future preparedness and prevention

What?!? Do you actually think about what you type before you type it? We've had plenty of prior disasters and time to figure out how to respond correctly. What we DO need to change is who we vote for! Stop voting for fascist idiots people, vote for people who actually care about humanity. That's the problem. Our current president couldn't care less about you, me or anyone else that doesn't fit into his/their fascist "mold". I don't think anyone has yet to quantize the mistakes that were made but the fact remains, in this particular situation, (I will not cite details, you have seen a few alreadY) the buck stops at the highest level of governement.. THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE PRESIDENT. And his "accepting" responsibility does *nothing* to fix the problem now or in the future. I mean come on.. how long did bush sit at his ranch after Katrina struck.. something like 3 days??!! I don't care if he can do some work while on -vacation- but NO ONE could have done more to help in this situation than the president himself. There was plenty of warning and before katrina struck bush needed to have his arse in HIGH GEAR pulling strings that only he had access too. That didn't happen did it? The way to fix it is to get bush and all the people like him out of our government!





[edit on 15-9-2005 by TxSecret]

Originally posted by TxSecret
Political crybaby games? You astro are a funny guy. It's called OUTCRY and people have -every- right to do this. This is a forum for the exchange of opinions, views, information etc etc etc. Sounds like you are the one that's "crying" hence the starting of your last post.

What?!? Do you actually think about what you type before you type it? We've had plenty of prior disasters and time to figure out how to respond correctly. What we DO need to change is who we vote for! Stop voting for fascist idiots people, vote for people who actually care about humanity. That's the problem. Our current president couldn't care less about you, me or anyone else that doesn't fit into his/their fascist "mold". I don't think anyone has yet to quantize the mistakes that were made but the fact remains, in this particular situation, (I will not cite details, you have seen a few alreadY) the buck stops at the highest level of governement.. THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE PRESIDENT. And his "accepting" responsibility does *nothing* to fix the problem now or in the future. I mean come on.. how long did bush sit at his ranch after Katrina struck.. something like 3 days??!! I don't care if he can do some work while on -vacation- but NO ONE could have done more to help in this situation than the president himself. There was plenty of warning and before katrina struck bush needed to have his arse in HIGH GEAR pulling strings that only had access too. That didn't happen did it? The way to fix it is to get bush and all the people like him out of our government!





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Case and point. Any questions?

This is what I refer too in talking about non-factual, emotional politically driven hatred. Not only does the president get blame for mistakes and stand responsible, he also must get ALL the blame or it somehow isn't justice. Nevermind that we've had posts of facts stating this was one of the fastest hurricane responses to date. The difference? Location, Location, Location! ..and who is in office.

personally, I don't like or trust any politician. I think the feds share responsibility, yes. but the big failure was the inept lack of planning and execution of a response at the state and local level.

[edit on 15-9-2005 by astrocreep]

[edit on 15-9-2005 by astrocreep]

Originally posted by QuietSoul


Just wait, in a few weeks/months/year, there will be sweeping changes given to FEMA/DHS all based on what has happened with Katrina. The media will tell us it's ok, and we'll be left without a voice.. as usual.

Just wait.

[edit on 9/14/2005 by QuietSoul]

Yep, thats right. Now, states will have less power to respond to disasters because of the two idiots who let hundreds of buses sit and fill with water. I think FEMA deliberatly fudged this but I have to say that the national guard came through as did the coast guard. Those people worked long and hard to help all they could.

I would really like to know what they did with the federal money given to them to prepare for an evac plan. I read that 20 million of it was given to build the casinos but I couldn't confirm it anywhere else so that is unreliable.

You just don't get it do you Astrocreep, but that's ok.. It will catch up to you eventually.

When you said:

"non-factual, emotional politically driven hatred."

You only got it 1/4th correct. I'm deffiniltely emotional and passionate and I DON"T appologize for that. Non factual? maybe it's you that needs to get your facts straight. Take whatever in my last post you percieved as "facts" and prove me wrong! Is there a little hate mingled in with my passion? maybe.. Hate is not healthy, especially on the spiritual level.. (something tells me you don't know much about that) But it's irrelevent in this case becase hate isn't sitting on the throne of my passion. Anyways.. there are alot of other passionate people out there with views that don't cooincide with your own. Get used to it.



[edit on 15-9-2005 by TxSecret]

Originally posted by TxSecret
Anyways.. there are alot of other passionate people out there with views that don't cooincide with your own. Get used to it.



[edit on 15-9-2005 by TxSecret]

Never! Never!

Look man, you got this misconception that I'm on here defending the President. For your information, I'm a registered democrat. What I attempted to do was lend a little of what I learned while administrating our county and local government's submittal to our State Office of Homeland Security.

Its not that I give a rats ass if anyone likes him or if he likes me. I equate much of the blame for the slow response from FEMA to Bush, however, the immediate and first failure was on the first line of defense and that is the state and local offices. Most specifically the major and more specifically, the governor. I hate that it takes wood of your sacrificial Bush fire but my purpose is not political but realistic.

Telling me to get used to people disagreeing with me is useless at best. I could say the same to you and it would sound just a ignorant. We all know that we don't like people who burst our bubble. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you have a crowd out there who is crazy over the opinion you have and stand behind you in looking for any purpose to spur your opinion. My politics is simply the way I choose to cast my vote in an election. The rest of the time, I look at facts pure and simple..of which we obviously have a different definition but thats okay too.

Let me ask you this; is there any personal reason to defend the mayor and governor? Do you believe they did nothing wrong or are you afraid the whole thing won't be blamed on Bush? Its all in motivations. Are you out to find the truth or make your own version?