Hold On To Your Hats! Masonic Symbols Found At Temple Mount

masonic symbols are everywhere. there are masonic symbols from our money to the skull and bones lodge in yale. funny thing is, is that the skull and bones lodge holds some of the same symbolism as the ss nazis used back in the first world wars. research it, youll find plenty information.

Originally posted by trinitrotoluene


Does freemasonry teach that the Universe was organized from unorganized matter, as opposed to created from nothing, or "Creatio ex nihil?" It would comply with the GAOTU title.

If so, that is HIGHLY illuminating... no pun intended about Illuminati, seriously. I only know two places where this is taught, and one of them is the now extinct Greek Theogony.

Actually, the Bible also hints that the Universe was created out of "something already there". It is said that God "moved upon the face of the waters", which indicates a belief in some sort of primordial ocean. Unfortunately, it doesn't go into great detail concerning the author's belief on the subject, but seems similar to the Marduk/Tiamet thing.

Anyhow, the idea of order from chaos is derived from the biblical account, although this is not overtly taught in Freemasonry. But this is the interesting thing about Masonic study, and to paraphrase Pike, what is most important in Masonry is taught only with a couple of quick mottoes, or a seemingly uninteresting symbol.

Originally posted by topsecretombomb
the skull and bones lodge holds some of the same symbolism as the ss nazis used back in the first world wars.

There weren't any Nazis in the First World War.

Originally posted by trinitrotoluene

Originally posted by Masonic Light
The Scottish Rite motto "Ordo ab Chao", is of course a mystic word rather than a political one. It alludes to the creation of the Universe.

Does freemasonry teach that the Universe was organized from unorganized matter, as opposed to created from nothing, or "Creatio ex nihil?" It would comply with the GAOTU title.

If so, that is HIGHLY illuminating... no pun intended about Illuminati, seriously. I only know two places where this is taught, and one of them is the now extinct Greek Theogony.

And the Greeks got this teaching from the Kemetians.

Ra Un Nefer Amen and Muata Ashby's works speak quite extensively about this.

The Gnostics knew/know about it too(considering that Gnosticism-for the most part-comes from ancient Kemet as well).


From Metu Neter - Vol. 1:

Ra Un Nefer Amen

All potters know that the clay they work with has two fundamental states; its original unformed or unordered state, and the other which is formed, or ordered into things (pots, frogs, jars and what have you). The same is true of Reality. All that is real falls into one of two fundamental divisions. By fundamental is meant that there no possibility for further division. One division corresponds to a mode of reality that is lacking in form, objectivity, definition, etc. We call this division of "kaos" the Subjective Realm. The other division corresponds to a mode of reality in which energy/matter has been ordered into forms, objects. This division is called the Objective Realm, due to the fact that it is in it that objects (thoughts, emotions, physical things) are found.

The Being that is the synthesis of Life in both realms, is called Neter in the Kamitic tradition. Its conceptualization goes beyond the concept of the Supreme God-head that is used by most spiritual traditions to represent the Supreme Being. All manifestations of itself, through which it creates, and maintains the world, including the God-head (Neb er Tcher,- Lord of the World), are called the Neteru. It is easy to see that this term is the origin of the Latin terms "natura", "neutral", "eternitas (eternity)," etc. Unfortunately, more space cannot be devoted to the subject, but discerning readers will see in the Kamitic notion about the Supreme Being, a deeper understanding than is to be found in other traditions, who limit it to the Subjective Realm.

For our purpose, a useful synonym for the world is "the Objective Realm". In this book the term "Objective" when referring to the World, manifested reality, etc. will always appear capitalized to disinguish our usage from one of its denotation,- "impartial, impersonal, unconditioned view, etc." The term, kin to "object", from the prefix "ob", refers to all that has form, and therefore denotes all that is perceptible(mentally or physically). In the same manner we will qualify the term "Subjective". Excluded is the denotation pf "partiality, conditioned view, personal, etc." The term, kin to such terms as "submerged, substrata, substance, etc.," from the prefix "sub", refers to all that is under, therefore, incapable of being perceived.

So, we have two fundamental divisions in the Realm of Being. One which is "submerged," i.e., imperceptible, and the other, perceptible. The imperceptibility of the Subjective Realm is based on the fact that in it, there are no objects. The derivation of the name Objective Realm from the fact that it is the place of objects is obvious. The importance of these concepts will be realized from the consideration of the fact that most people limit their acknowledgment of reality to what is perceptible. Yet, not only is reality not limited to the perceptible (Objective) region, it originates beyond it (in the Subjective Realm - ( AMEN) ).

HOTEP

if you read correctly masonic light i said FIRST WORLD [WAR'S] with an s meaning theres more than one!

the symbols were taken from the SECOND WORLD WAR. for people who dont read correctly like masonic.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
Actually, the Bible also hints that the Universe was created out of "something already there". It is said that God "moved upon the face of the waters", which indicates a belief in some sort of primordial ocean. Unfortunately, it doesn't go into great detail concerning the author's belief on the subject, but seems similar to the Marduk/Tiamet thing.

The Bible first speaks of the creation from nothing.

" 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. "

bible.gospelcom.net...

First He created everything, then moved upon the formless waters that covered the earth.

He then created light, then separated the waters, etc...

Originally posted by topsecretombomb
masonic symbols are everywhere. there are masonic symbols from our money to the skull and bones lodge in yale. funny thing is, is that the skull and bones lodge holds some of the same symbolism as the ss nazis used back in the first world wars. research it, youll find plenty information.

If these are purely Masonic symbols we would no doubt have a copyrite on them. Symbols are what they are, Agreed upon repersintives of Ideals. The trubble is that Not everone agrees as to what the symbol repersents. Thus any one or any group can pick up a symbol use by someone else and run with it and give it a new meaning. It is foolish to claim that the skull and bones means the same to a nazi as it does to a private. In fact it is a symbol used to day by units in the US Miliatary. I guess you claim that they are Nazis also

Recall that the topic here is the symbols found at the temple mount and their relation to masonry, infact that they are masonic. This thread isn't going very far off topic, but if its going to degenerate into flamage in doing so its going to be locked.

Interesting that while I consider Ordo ab Chao to be a directive, it could be a scientific grounding, which I might well agree with
It might have an element of creationist about it as well as constant circular replay
For the time being I'll consider it about the way things are working

Originally posted by topsecretombomb
if you read correctly masonic light i said FIRST WORLD [WAR'S] with an s meaning theres more than one!

the symbols were taken from the SECOND WORLD WAR. for people who dont read correctly like masonic.

But there weren't any 'first world wars'. There was a First World War and a Second World War. If there were twenty world wars then maybe 'first world wars' could include the Second World War, but there were only TWO. In addition, even if you meant what you say you meant, you're still wrong. Since you said the symbolism comes from the 'first world wars,' then while you may have intended to include the Second World War, you also absolutely included the First World War as one of the places where Nazi symbolism can be found.

Masonic Light had it right. You're the one with a poor grasp on the correct use of the English language.

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Originally posted by No1tovote4


The Bible first speaks of the creation from nothing.

" 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. "

bible.gospelcom.net...

First He created everything, then moved upon the formless waters that covered the earth.

He then created light, then separated the waters, etc...

The interesting thing here is that we have to take into account the fact the cosmology of the ancient Hebrews was much different from our own. When the KJV says that God created the "heavens and the earth", it is an English translation from the Vulgate, which was in turn translated from the Hebrew.

The word translated as "earth" actually means "land". Therefore, it does not refer to the planet earth, but to the land we walk upon. In ancient cosmology, it was not recognized that the earth was one among many planets.

Therefore, when "God created the heavens and the earth", what He's actually doing in the Jewish creation story is creating land which separates the primeval sea, and is stretching a sky overhead. He is bringing order from chaos.

Creation myths concerning divine order from primordial chaos are not unique with the Jews. Practically all ancient, eastern cultures, both Semitic and non-Semitic, had them.

getting back to the start. Has any one found a picture of the object?

The problem lies in the fact that historians refuse to acknowledge the fact that ancient civilizations didn't look on the Oceans as a barrier.

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Masonic Symbols in the Temple Mount

That isn't really new news.

It was published in 1886 by Le Plongeon in Sacred Mysteries Among the Mayas and the Quiches ISBN 0 913510 54 8; Subtitled: FREE MASONRY In Times Anterior to the Temple of Solomon.

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