NEWS: Katrina Victims: More Human Sacrifice for Iraq War

as posted by soficrow
I call it like I see it ....

And I called it as I saw it, as well.
Your point, being that you are now living in Canada is what, exactly?
That during a time when we should all be coming together to pray, aid, and support those in need, you, as with others, seek to use this time to maximize your hatred of a US president, seeding from 9/11 and his decision to invade Iraq?

Yeah, as another ATS member mentioned in this thread, some children and people in New Orleans tonight will die, but heck with that right? Good time as any to engage in political banter, huh? Kind of like the same thing that occured during the Indonesian tsunami castastrophe. Riiigghhhhttt....:shk:






seekerof

[edit on 1-9-2005 by Seekerof]

As I've posted elsewhere:

I challenge every Christian here, and in America, to adopt a family from New Orleans.

Adopt a Katrina Family
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More info
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Solution? Tell Bush Oil is in New Orleans, he will send thousands of troops there to find the WMDs, to spread democracy, so forth.

Proof of Bush taking money from New Orleans/Lousianna

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The article cited is cleverly worded..
The engineers proposed a study in 2004. Just a study

Ask yourself if the city could have been made safe, in that short of time span. By studying it?

Couple that with shots earlier post. Quoting the Army Engineer.

Nothing would be different folks.

George Bush, or not.

The city was hit by a major storm. Then a secondary flood. (which surprised everyone for some reason).
It's different..
dueling disasters, which nobody was prepared for..


Go donate some money..

That is not exactly true. There SHOULD be an emergency contingincy plan for every eventuality. Not just terrorism.

The fact that there was no plan for 500,000 is alarming.


That is not a 'oops' act of nature. That is grave incompetence.

Helooooowww...

It is one George W. Bush who would not provide the proper funding for coastal cities.

[edit on 2-9-2005 by dgtempe]

Why is it that everything really is bush's fault. How can one person have such bad luck?

Logics and ratios dictate that one man can not be the "all" cause of anything and everything, SpittinCobra.

It defies even mathematical probability.

as posted by SpittinCobra
...everything really is bush's fault...

seekerof

Our government and his agencies has let American down in their most time of need.

Our nation is not ready for the disaster in the south, and that means it has never been ready to handle a terrorist attack again either.

I am very upset with what is going on in our own backyard.

Originally posted by soficrow

This hurricane was not a surprise to anyone. Taking care of ordinary Americans just wasn't covered in the budget.

So what are you saying every year they should budget 4, 5 hundred BILLION dollars each year just in case a Category 5 hurricane hits?

Must be nice to have a crystal ball so one can tell when and where disasters are going to happen. Next time kindly give the world a two week warning

Originally posted by marg6043
Our government and his agencies has let American down in their most time of need.

Our nation is not ready for the disaster in the south, and that means it has never been ready to handle a terrorist attack again either.

Hogwash Marg, the government was ready the Mayor warned people to get out of the city and they chose to stay; you cannot lay the blame on the government for that one reason alone.

Also keep in mind that 80% did heed the warnings and most are not in the same dire situation because they did.

Originally posted by shots
Must be nice to have a crystal ball so one can tell when and where disasters are going to happen. Next time kindly give the world a two week warning

Hurricanes has been part of nature they are not random phenomena that happen every ten years, The Gulf of Mexico, and specially Florida are suggestible to them, FEMA gets funding every year to handle disasters in our nation.

When the Hurricanes devastated Florida last year, it was immediately help for the state. The death toll was due to the hurricanes not people that survived the hurricanes to die later waiting for help.

Perhaps because it was Bush brother's state?

New Orleans is becoming a disgrace for our Government "ready disaster management agencies."



[edit on 2-9-2005 by marg6043]

Originally posted by shots

Hogwash Marg, the government was ready the Mayor warned people to get out of the city and they chose to stay; you cannot lay the blame on the government for that one reason alone.

Also keep in mind that 80% did heed the warnings and most are not in the same dire situation because they did.

From what I've seen, FEMA is quite less than adequately prepared for a response to this situation. Sure, 20% of the population stayed behind. You can't possibly tell me that it never occurred to FEMA that a pretty sizeable contingent of people would stay behind because they couldn't or wouldn't flee. It's called emergency planning. As part of emergency planning, you consider contingencies. Those 20% are the contingency that should have been planned for. I'm sure that study upon study has been done to determine the percentage of a population who is likely to stay behind when evacuation orders are given. If it is FEMA policy to blow off those people due to their lack of willingness or inability to follow an evacuation order...that's sacrifice.

It will be interesting in the next few weeks to see the differences between the coordinated efforts to provide aid to the people in Louisiana and Mississippi and the efforts to get the oil spigot turned on.

Also, one salient point to consider is that this disaster was in the top 3 most likely upcoming disasters for which FEMA was planning. If this is the best they can do for a top three disaster, I fear for my own safety should I be the hapless victim of a major disaster that FEMA wasn't planning for.

On a different point, consider LBJ and the Vietnam war. As many on this thread have contended Bush simply inherited the legacy of previous Presidents and cannot be blamed in any way for the failings of the agencies under his control. So too did LBJ inherit the Vietnam war. LBJ on the other hand identified the fact that he 1) did not lead his country to victory and 2) did not realize that the situation was untenable and was responsible for the additional casualties associated with extending our engagement there. What did he do? He publically announced his error and told the American people he would not seek re-election. That's cojones...that's responsibility...that's Presidential.

Iraq was Bush's war...it was not inherited. The culpability surrounding the allocation of American resources to fight that fight rests squarely upon the shoulders of one American President. The lack of available resources to attend to difficulties on the homefront are a direct result of the allocation of resources to Iraq.

As a final point, consider this...the National Guard is a force designed to protect Americans on American soil whether it be from an outside foe, a natural disaster or simply other Americans. I would love to render physical (not just financial) assistance the the affected people of Louisiana and Mississippi, but judging from the deteriorating social conditions in the area it makes sense to want to have camo on and an M-16 in your hand while doing so...enter the National Guard. How many other Americans do you think would be more than willing to suit up for the National Guard to help their fellow Americans in a time of need? Well, since we are now calling upon our domestic force to fight in engagements abroad, I am certain that more than a handful of people who would have been quite willing to join the National Guard have reconsidered. What am I pointing out here? Yet another case of misallocation of American resources under Presidential command to the overall detriment of the Nation.

Sure, you can't blame Bush that a Category 4 hurricane happened to take the path that it did in much the same way that you couldn't blame him if Yellowstone erupted, but the plain and simple fact is that the President and his Administration as overseers of Federal Agencies are responsible for being prepared to protect the American people in a crisis whether it be economic, terrorist related, or the result of a natural disaster. Watching the conditions in NO and Biloxi, prepared is not the word that comes to mind.

[edit on 2-9-2005 by chaosrain]

Originally posted by marg6043

When the Hurricanes devastated Florida last year, it was immediately help for the state. The death toll was due to the hurricanes not people that survived the hurricanes to die later waiting for help.

Perhaps because it was Bush brother's state?

New Orleans is becoming a disgrace for our Government "ready disaster management agencies."

[edit on 2-9-2005 by marg6043]

Hogwash Marg FEMA responded faster to New Orleans then they did in Florida.

Also you are comparing apples to organges here what took place in
Florida while bad enough did not hold a candle to what took place in NO.

Keep in mind the mayor of NO warned people to get out of town and they chose to stay, so you CANNOT BLAME the government although I know that is just what you want to do

Originally posted by shots

Keep in mind the mayor of NO warned people to get out of town and they chose to stay, so you CANNOT BLAME the government although I know that is just what you want to do

Give a good look at the people that are "Dying" in the south.

Just look at them. . . they are what poor black America look like.

Yes most of the people that are "Dying" are the poor Back in NO that could not afford to go and stay in a "Nice" hotel and did what the "Government Officials" told them they stay in the designated places.

No body here has the right to be mad at this people every city has the rich the well off and the poor, and right now they are the ones that are the majorities of the inner cities of our country that the cut off on social programs has been neglected because the war in Iraq.

This what happen when a country forget about the most needy "The Poor"

Everybody complain about "Immigrants" "terrorist" "abortion" "Religious Rights" and the "War in Iraq"

But many Americans had forgotten that the ones to suffer the most when a disaster hits a city are not the rich, or well off, of the regular Joe but the POOR.

And Many regular Joes had nothing anymore either.

Wake up Shots you are still living in bubble. Looks ugly when reality hit you. Right? still in denial?

Originally posted by marg6043

Originally posted by shots

Keep in mind the mayor of NO warned people to get out of town and they chose to stay, so you CANNOT BLAME the government although I know that is just what you want to do

Give a good look at the people that are "Dying" in the south.

Just look at them. . . they are what poor black America look like.

Yes most of the people that are "Dying" are the poor Back in NO that could not afford to go and stay in a "Nice" hotel and did what the "Government Officials" told them they stay in the designated places.

No body here has the right to be mad at this people every city has the rich the well off and the poor, and right now they are the ones that are the majorities of the inner cities of our country that the cut off on social programs has been neglected because the war in Iraq.

This what happen when a country forget about the most needy "The Poor"

Everybody complain about "Immigrants" "terrorist" "abortion" "Religious Rights" and the "War in Iraq"

But many Americans had forgotten that the ones to suffer the most when a disaster hits a city are not the rich, or well off, of the regular Joe but the POOR.



Wake up Shots you are still living in bubble. Looks ugly when reality hit you. Right? still in denial?

Nobody forgot them and again I say I know you want to blame it all on the government, but you refuse to see my point.

They were told to leave, they did not.

They had several days warning it was coming, again they chose to stay.

In your last post you made reference to Florida and claimed they got better attn which was not the case. FEMA was on the ground in the area before Katrina hit they were not in Florida.

Do you think the government has a crystal ball solution for everything?

As for denial and living in a bubble, sorry I am not in denial nor do I live in a bubble, but if the shoe fits you can wear it. No offence made I am just trying to point out the government has and is doing all they can under the worst possible conditions, in fact they are responding the best they can for the worst dieaster that ever has hit the US even worse then 911 doller wise Now if you want an education turn on TV FoX and watch the conference with the Governors of MS LA and AL unlike you, they are all praising the government.

Also note the president is stating even he is not happy with the response either.

Why is that? I will tell you why no one had your crystal ball that could have seen this was going to be as bad as it was, in fact it is the worst ever, you can take that to the bank.


Edit to add: While you are at it make sure you watch the 8 mile long convoy of trucks rushing food and water and the five mile long convoy of boats and medical supplies. Make sure you keep in mind these trucks and people came from thousands of miles away while you are at it.

[edit on 9/2/2005 by shots]

[edit on 9/2/2005 by shots]

Shots you continue to miss the point, some people had NO transportation. OK, so what if they walked? They had 2 days, the average person can walk approx. 4 miles/hour. Now if you can keep that up for 48 hours, that would get you 192 miles. Is that far enough to get to refuge? What if you can't keep up that pace, which is most likely, you'ld be caught out in the open with a vast storm crawling up behind you. A better scenario than hunkering down and try to wait it out?

intrepid

Shots is too Bush blind to see anything or either he has never seen black poor Americans before or only in the movies.

If he ever comes to the south I will be more than glad to give him a tour of the forgotten in America.

Originally posted by marg6043
Shots is too Bush blind to see anything or either he has never seen black poor Americans before or only in the movies.

I am not Bush Blind unlike you I realize he has too deal with the worst natural dieaster that has ever hit the US.

If he ever comes to the south I will be more than glad to give him a tour of the forgotten in America.

Having reading problems Marg I pointed out in my last post he is in the South right now


Now you seem to have every possible solution, just what would you have done that the administration did not?

Here shots listen to this hart warming feed from Vals POD, maybe it will touch your hart too like some many americans has been touched,
the desperation coming from the south, your fellow americans.

Perhaps is a warm hart on you too after all.

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