this is a must read for all

There was a movie, I mentioned before, on SciFi. The masses were drugged with a drug called Soma. This was a large scale drugging of the public in this movie, I feel we may be headed toward something like this.

Troy

That's the name of the drug in Brave New World(soma). It makes everyone happy and content. Did they make it into a movie? I don't have TV so I ussually miss this stuff...

There was also a movie called Equilibrium, starring Christian Bale that dealt in that topic. I don't remember what the dug was called though...

Are you sure this is real? The evidence you presented is inconclusive; the first is just a report on the proposal, and the second is a strange... thing... about bush's commission, mentioning nothing about medication. and it's from 2002.

www.edwatch.org...

That's the only other thing i can find that's recent and official sounding at all, and it's just about lobbying for it.

I hope you know that you had me almost hyperventilating for a minute there... I'd be dubbed mentally unstable in a heartbeat by those people!

I was able to make it out of school without too much trouble from the "psycology" department, and I am glad. If they were to have done these types of things when I was still a small child in the school system, I would have surely been drugged for something. The Dead kennedys wrote a song about a topic like this in the early eighties, Hyperactive Child. It's chilling how that song parallels with this topic .

My son will be going for 1/2-hour speech therapy sessions once a week. He should be okay...I hope.

He's just not talking yet...maybe a word here and there, and he's going on 4. They tried to get me to enroll him in preschool but I stuck to my guns and said I'm homeschooling! They didn't like it (because of scheduling issues), but too bad. I'm not going to have my child indoctrinated.

Not sure what speech therapy involves.

I'm not sure what the name of the movie was, but it was about Soma.

Troy

I disagree with forcing kids to go see the counselor against their will unless a real problem is seen. It makes a lot of kids really uncomfortable to have to go tell their personal secrets to a stranger unless a problem is seen where it is suspected that the child might harm him/herself or others.

Not to mention the fact that for some kids, it is easier just to deal with their problems on their own. Though their numbers are few, there are kids who find it easier not to talk to a shrink and to just work out their problems on their own. I think that is probably healthier if that works for you, but I know that it makes some people sick to not talk about their problems.


[edit] Not to mention that those medications won't help you in most cases. If anything, they make you sicker. You can deal with your problems on your own or by just talking with someone about them, you dont need some doctor giving you meds to make you sicker.

Find what works best for you and stick to it my friends.

Peace
--Kit.


[edit on 10/9/2005 by Kitsunegari]

I agree, the meds can be bad. I've heard of a kid on these meds who had slurred speach, I find it hard to imagine this being a cure. You might as well give the kid a 12 pack of beer and tell him to stay drunk all the time.

We just can't let this drug infiltration continue to happen, these kids are our future. Kids can go through wild stages and such, but many of us grow up to be just fine without any Psych intervention.

Troy

Ok gals and guys, drugs or no drugs mental health screening coming your kids ways in the public schools. Just found this on the homeschooling forums I read.

An Indiana high school is being sued for subjecting a 15-year-old student to mental health testing without her parents' consent. Michael and Teresa Rhoades allege that their constitutional rights were violated when their daughter Chelsea was given a "TeenScreen" mental health exam at Penn High School in Mishawaka, without their knowledge or consent.

After Chelsea completed the examination, a Madison Center employee escorted her into a private hallway, and she was told, largely based on her responses, that she liked to clean and didn't like to party very much, that she suffered from at least two mental health problems -- obsessive-compulsive disorder and social anxiety disorder.

The teenager was also advised that, if her condition grew worse, her mother should bring her to the Madison Center for treatment. According to Chelsea, most of the students subjected to the exam were also told that they were suffering from some kind of mental or social "disorder." Chelsea's parents were not informed about the screening exam until after it had already taken place, when Chelsea discussed her "diagnosis" with them.

forums.about.com... sn=1&tid=9774&webtag=ab-homeschool

I believe you have to be an about.com member to view the thread. The news article was from headlines.agapepress.org... but that link didn't work for me when I tried it. Another member posted another news link referencing the same subject of what was going on.

www.illinoisleader.com...

Aparently this is a mental screening that is for all students, and is only a simle questionaire with yes or no answers. It is being done in conjuction with the new educational act Bush previoiusly passed. Instead of the schools sending out permission slips to ask the parents to let their kids be tested/screened. The schools are using an opt out method that if the parent sends the kid to school and doesn't send a note or call to object, the parent is giving the school the right to test the kid.

I noticed that this was being done stealthly, and that most of the kids, if not all, were being told they had some type of disorder. Not only does this lead me to believe that the screeners want the kids to go to their clinic to make money off of them whether they are healthy or not. But also that if enough kids are said to be mentally unstable in one way or another, that just may well give the government what it needs to pass some type of law saying parents have to be tested in order to raise their kids.

Supposedly if things get to bad, it may make for a case where the government says it has to step in and take over the care of all children for them to be mentally healthy. Then the government will really be able to program our children like robots to do and think what the government wants them to and think how the government wants them to think.

It could very well be the initial step towards total governmental control of our precioius children.

Bush passes the dumbest laws in all of the presidents. Like the really really really stupid patriot act. I mean that is just some plain shti right there! I think she (or he) is reffering to the No Child Left Behind act. That has also made many problems! I wondering when these acts will controdict the constitution. I can't wait! The non child thing. I mean all I can say is wow! That act makes me think that what if it was the no adult left behind act. creepy!

You guys see the latest disorder on TV? Social Anxiety Disorder.

It's ridiculous and at the same time scary. Guess Big Pharm is wanting more $$$.

Sorry, but I have to agree, this isn't new.

BUT...

They also do testing for other things that are good. They have BMI (body mass index) screenings, dental screenings, lice, and now testing for gifted/advanced learning classes.

They didn't tell me about the screening for the gifted/advanced. Wnana guess why? Well, that's so that Mommy and or Daddy didn't put "stuff" in the kids' head allowing for their results to be skewed. Influence from the outside can hinder as well as help. Perhaps that is why they are screening for mental health without letting the parent know. It isn't hard for a parent to say " But MY Johnny/Sally isn't messed up!!! S/He's a good kid!!!" Besides, do coundellors qualify for mental health screenings for school age kids? My vote is "yes". It's why they are there in the first place. I know I can't afford a shrink for my kid.
All in all...maybe it isn't such a bad thing. Do they have a tendancy to label everyone? Perhaps. Are school counselors in cahoots with the Big Parma and the Gov't to get kids on meds? I don't think so.

Sorry, but this isn't about lice, and dental problems.

This is very bad stuff we are talking about. We are talking about drugging our future.

Troy

This isn't about a counsler doing a through and compentent screening of the children. This is about an outside organization bringing in a questionaire of complex questions that have to be answered yes or no eventhough there are many gray areas. Most of the kids got labled in one way or another. It sounded like the most common label was social anxiety disorder.

[edit on 3-10-2005 by Mystery_Lady]

Is Your State Listed?
Do Your Research Thoroughly, Please

Pennsylvania isn't even part of this campaign.
So if the school forces my kids to take a health screening, and if my kids fail, then I will pull them from the public school and put them in a private school. No good? Then I will homeschool.
Force me to medicate my own kid? Prove it that they have the right to do so. Show me proof. Jeez, since when is that ok? But if it is a matter of medicate or they take my kids away...well, then that's when I fight. While I medicate.
Please don't pound me with "well what if they...." without backing up your statements. If I went through life questioning "what ifs", I will never get to the good stuff. Fight while living, not while going down for the count.

I don't recall any of this crazy ADHD stuff when I was in school, but now you hear of it. Now you hear about kids being medicated. It's not enough to say, well, my kid isn't medicated. It is a progression towards something which is not good. We need to notice the changes happening.

We've been watching this parade come by for some years now. We can watch the parade go by. And we can grin, and wave at all the "pretty faces," that promise "help" and "prosperity," in the form of a convenient pill. And at the end of the parade we see that our kids are now zombies, and slaves to the "fix" being administered by the drug companies and Dr Psych. But maybe at the end of this parade we won't even notice, because we have our own "fix." And we smile to ourselves because our penises are more erect, and that makes it all ok.....

Or we can burn there instruments, clog their trombones, poke holes in their drums, and burn down their floats, and stop their parade. Because we don't want the suprise at the end of this parade.

Troy

About Mental Health Screenings: HSLDA is Home School Legal Defense Assoication run by a lawyers

www.hslda.org...

Summary, background, concern, and current status
www.hslda.org...

Congress Fails to Protect Parental Rights in Mental Health Screening Programs
nche.hslda.org...

Originally posted by Rouschkateer
without backing up your statements.

If kids schools were not allowed to force the parents to medicate their children, then why would Bush have to sing a bill probhibiting shcools to do so?

Bush Signs Legislation Prohibiting Forced Medication of Children

[url=www.atsnn.com...]

Forced Chemotherapy, Drugging and Vaccination of Children - Murder by Court Order
www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com...

Drugging Our Kids
[url=http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2003/08-25-2003/vo19no17_drugging.htm]http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2003/08-25-2003/vo19no17_drugging.htm[/ url]

Many parents have discovered that refusing to drug their children may be met with child abuse or neglect charges and the loss of their parental rights.

[edit on 8-10-2005 by Mystery_Lady]

[edit on 8-10-2005 by Mystery_Lady]

Originally posted by Mystery_Lady
About Mental Health Screenings: HSLDA is Home School Legal Defense Assoication run by a lawyers

www.hslda.org...

Summary, background, concern, and current status
www.hslda.org...

Congress Fails to Protect Parental Rights in Mental Health Screening Programs
nche.hslda.org...

Thanks for posting the same site three different ways. This surely is disturbing...to a point.

If kids schools were not allowed to force the parents to medicate their children, then why would Bush have to sing a bill probhibiting shcools to do so?

Bush Signs Legislation Prohibiting Forced Medication of Children

www.atsnn.com...

I'm lost here. I originally said that school cannot force a parent to medicate your schild. You gave me a website that supports this:

President Bush has signed into law landmark legislation which bans schools from requiring parents to drug children for classroom or behavioral problems. Educational authorities can no longer require a child to obtain a prescription for a Controlled Substances as a condition of attending school, receiving an evaluation or receiving services.

And here you say:

Forced Chemotherapy, Drugging and Vaccination of Children - Murder by Court Order
www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com...

This is funny:

This site is being continuously updated so check in often to see what's new --- Last update 7/14/2005

But Bush signed that legislature on Dec 2004? Um... Something doesn't add up here.

Drugging Our Kids
www.thenewamerican.com...

LMAO. This site's story is from Aug 25th, 2003!

Seriously, from the one site you gave me, I followed the link to here, which says this in one of its sections:

All youngsters in a school, with parental consent, are given a computer-based questionnaire that screens them for mental illnesses and suicide risk.

and

Working with parents, local providers, and local agencies to support screening, assessment, and early intervention;

and

Since the IDEA requires that a variety of professionals collaborate in the school and in the community, the Commission urges that coordinating services be regarded as a "related service" in the child's Individual Education Plan (IEP). In developing the IEP, there should be a stronger family focus and youth involvement and support.

Just saying.

EDITS: Fixed links.

[edit on 8-10-2005 by Rouschkateer]

[edit on 8-10-2005 by Rouschkateer]

[edit on 8-10-2005 by Rouschkateer]

Sorry I was tired when I wrote that post. Anyhow you did say to do my research. The links I gave to the older articles were to prove that schools did in fact force parents to medicate their children with the threat of removal of their children.

With research I did find out Bush passed the law, that said the schools were no longer allowed to force the parents to put their kids on ritilin and such meds if the parents refuse to do so.

The three links to different articles from the same site are confirming what you said about there is no law for forced mental screening nationwide. They do give the current status of what is happening. The reason I put all three of them on is that I didn't see them linking to each other. Since they are older articles, they would not be easy to find searching through the site itself. It does seem like some schools are giving mental screenings anyhow. Then it would be decided by the district itself.