Beauty and Wonder: Target Iran?

On the same day that Iran announced it's intention to resume enriching uranium the Bush administration placed their man at the United Nations by recess appointment.

The Bush administration disregards the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) (Deny Ingnorance link) and has no problem with countries who do not sign the treaty, like Pakistan, Israel and India.

Back in February Bush stated "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous, and having said that, all options are on the table." Journalists in the room laughed.

To be fair the US officially backs a Peaceful Iranian Nuclear Program (Deny Ignorance). After all they may be sitting on large reserves of fossil fuels but they will have to face peak oil and global warming just like the rest of us (many of whom say that nuclear is the answer).

Here's a little scenario. Make the conditions placed on Iran impossible to meet and hugely unfair so they have no choice but to reject them. Then bring them to the UN where the UK, Germany and France will be forced to admit defeat and go along with declaring them in violation.

Despite the fact that as was reported this week in a US intelligence review (i.e. a consensus among many agencies) Iran is judged to be 10 Years from a nuclear bomb (Washington Post) the Bush administration presses on.

President George W Bush has welcomed a study that says US intelligence agencies know "disturbingly little" about enemy weapons programmes.
BBC

The Bush administration's new intelligence man is John Negroponte (BBC).

Meanwhile everyone is in a froth about Iran and the word "nuclear" is flying everywhere (Deny Ignorance ).



Eerily beautiful isn't it?

Make you wonder?

August 6th 1945 - a victory or a defeat for humanity?

The power of the Sun gives us life as well as destruction. Yin and Yang...

What would another incident of utter destructive power bring?

Can the Bush administration be stopped?

Why are people not marching in the streets?
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[edit on 8/6/2005 by Gools]

Man, you really know how to bring it up front and in the face. I feel sick.

Originally posted by Gools
Can the Bush administration be stopped?

Sure. In a few years. But by then, it will be too late. The neocon movement will go on.

Originally posted by Gools
Why are people not marching in the streets?

People are... Halfway down this page, under Media Matters, check out:
America is not divded (wmv)
Support the Truth

Ok gools..first of all its the usual BS coming from the post. No where does it ACTUALLY mention anyone by name it just 'our source' and 'this source'..really come on now at least have the chambas to mention a real person. (If the post even HAS a real person they are quoting)

Here is a scenario for you.

The cry baby liberals here in America and France and anyother panty-waste country that is afraid to stop an evil empire will protest until poor little Iran and North Korea can have their 'energy nuclear production' Then one cold December night some hell-bent Iranian government leader (i.e. terrorist) decides the infadels must die and nukes Germany - France (no big loss there though) - Isreal - Turkey and maybe they even pick up an ICBM or two and throw a couple of warheads our way. Thanks for being so sensitive to the plight of the muslim...you just help start WWIII

Iran Rejects European Nuclear Proposal

"The Europeans' proposal lacks the criteria enshrining Iran's interests and runs counter to the non-proliferation treaty's spirit,'' Hamid-Reza Assefi, a ministry spokesman, said, the state-run Iranian new agency reported today on its Web site.

France, Germany and the U.K., leading EU nuclear talks with Iran, mapped out yesterday proposals to support Iran's civil nuclear-energy program provided uranium enrichment is suspended.

Can anyone answer... could Iran have a civil nuclear-energy program without uranium enrichment? Is uranium enrichment automatically part of a weapons program?

The EU called Iran's bluff and Iran showed its hand. The EU made a proposal to Iran and offered help with its Irans nuclear pogrom. The EU asked that for this help Iran's spent nuclear fuel would be handed over to the EU and all production of enriching uranium should stop.

But surprise, surprise what does Iran do? They reject of course.

They need the spent fuel because it could be used as material for a nuclear bomb, and they need to enrich uranium to make that bomb.

Ladies and gentleman open your eye’s!

Maybe Iran is not so blind, they can see, that the US will eventually invade their country because of oil, and they want some cards to play the game with, like a nuke.

heres a thought for you...
suppose iran does want to produce a bomb but not for the reasons everyone thinks. they think that they will be invaded sometime in the future for their oil and have seen what has happened to iraq and dont want the same to happen to their country, so they nuke themselves... if they cant have their own country and oil then they'll make damn sure no-one else will have it either - forget suicide bombers - they would be the first suicide country!

Originally posted by justyc
heres a thought for you...
suppose iran does want to produce a bomb but not for the reasons everyone thinks. they think that they will be invaded sometime in the future for their oil and have seen what has happened to iraq and dont want the same to happen to their country, so they nuke themselves... if they cant have their own country and oil then they'll make damn sure no-one else will have it either - forget suicide bombers - they would be the first suicide country!

A guy named Gerald Posner claims that that's what the Saudis have planned.
www.posner.com...

Originally posted by WestPoint23
They need the spent fuel because it could be used as material for a nuclear bomb, and they need to enrich uranium to make that bomb.

They could also enrich uranium to use as fuel for power generation.

They have already said that they will only be enriching the uranium to a point where it can be used to generate power (around 70% I think) and not to the level where it can be used in a weapon (around 90% I think). They have also said they will be performing the enrichment under the supervision of the IAEA so the chances of them being able to make weapons grade material are very slim.

At this point they are not doing anything illegal or against any international treaties.

Here's a little scenario. Make the conditions placed on Iran impossible to meet and hugely unfair so they have no choice but to reject them. Then bring them to the UN where the UK, Germany and France will be forced to admit defeat and go along with declaring them in violation.

I agree with this, it's not hard to see what's happening.

Can anyone answer... could Iran have a civil nuclear-energy program without uranium enrichment? Is uranium enrichment automatically part of a weapons program?

I think they can have an energy program without enrichment but they would be reliant on other nations for their fuel.

When it come to nuclear weapons I think it's either all or none.

Any other position is hypocritical and carries a value judgement IMO.

Since the nuclear powers clearly will not relinquish the bomb, the only reaction to be expected from a country feeling threated by those who do is that they will build one themselves.

I really don't care if one goes off in a "western" country or one goes off in the Middle East.

I don't want to see a nuclear incident at all but fanatics on all sides seem to have other plans.

VIENNA, Austria (CNN) -- The International Atomic Energy Agency board of governors passed a resolution Thursday asking Iran to suspend its nuclear activities, according to a Western diplomat at the meeting in Austria.

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