14 Dead Marines

The question is do YOU mind that freedom of speech is trampled on like that?

I'm sorry that what i said insulted you, it was not my intention, that doesn't mean i don't stand by what i said.

As C0le said, i Syrian Sister, mean everything i say, everything i say is from the heart. I only wished the enemy some peace, and from where i'm standing that counts as respect.

I don't mean it to offend you, i'm not saying anything racist or hateful, but all i can do is appologise that my opinion makes you feel bad.

You can delete my post if you want, that is up to you and the mods.

But i never go back on my words, because i don't say things unless i mean them.


[edit on 4-8-2005 by Syrian Sister]

What you don't seem to grasp is that you've told a whole lot of nice people here that you consider them to be your enemy and you celebrate the death of other human beings showing us all that you are deeply disturbed.

You also don't seem to understand that these brave young souls were there working for a common good even though they would much rather have been home with their families and loved ones.
Well now they will come home and they will be well received with honor.

you celebrate the death of other human beings

I'm not celebrating the fact that their dead, infact i feel bad for them.

to quote myself "In a way, it is a tragety that these young men died..."
"it's sad that they died uselessly for fat capitalists in washington"

I am not celebrating their death, i have nothing against them personally, What i'm celebrating is that iraq is closer to victory. I'm sorry that it has to be this way, this is not what i or any iraqi wanted. But this is the way that it is, because of george bush and the others.

brave young souls were there working for a common good.

I'm sorry but that is your opinion, and some people like myself would disagree. I'm sorry if that offends you, that is not my aim. But that's the way it is.

This is my last post on this thread.

i have said my peace.

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
The question is do YOU mind that freedom of speech is trampled on like that?

Its not a freedom speech its called being polite and giveing a damm about people that you seem to keep saying we should do.
Why dont YOU start giving a damm about what YOU say.

I'm sorry that what i said insulted you, it was not my intention, that doesn't mean i don't stand by what i said.

It doesnt matter what your intentions where, it wouldnt matter if your intentions where to forcast the weather , you insulted dead and wounded, I hope you feel proud of your actions cause I feel ashamed of you.

As C0le said, i Syrian Sister, mean everything i say, everything i say is from the heart. I only wished the enemy some peace, and from where i'm standing that counts as respect.

I don't mean it to offend you, i'm not saying anything racist or hateful, but all i can do is appologise that my opinion makes you feel bad.

You can delete my post if you want, that is up to you and the mods.

But i never go back on my words, because i don't say things unless i mean them.


[edit on 4-8-2005 by Syrian Sister]

You say you mean everything you say, I have heard you say that you care about people.....why not thier feelings?

PLEASE STOP ARGUING! If you want to argue this issue start another thread! I'm sick of this selfishness.

This thread is about people who died with honor in their hearts, regardless of the side they're on, regardless of why they joined the military or went to Iraq. Have some freakin' respect! Jesus!


Send Your Condolences Here

Originally posted by Bikereddie

Easy. By reading the sick and deplorable remarks that people make. If they are offensive, then hit the ignore button. Simple eh?

I disagree that it is so simple to chose. Do you ever stop to think why you consider remarks to be sick and deplorable? Is it jsut because they are in such opposition of your own views that you do not want to consider them? Thus shutting out a possible valad point because of your own close mind.

(Please keep in mind that when I say "your own closed mind" I am not refering to you specificly but the universal "you")

If this thread is for Condolances, perhaps we should also acknoladge the loss of life as a whole. We pay respects to our marines becaue there were Americans, we rarely see fit to pay respects to the fallen enemy becasue there is a mindset of us and them.

All too often we chose to ignore that they too are human, even if they have differant beliefs.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
PLEASE STOP ARGUING! If you want to argue this issue start another thread! I'm sick of this selfishness.

This thread is about people who died with honor in their hearts, regardless of the side they're on, regardless of why they joined the military or went to Iraq. Have some freakin' respect! Jesus!

Send Your Condolences Here

I am argueing the fact she is DISHONOURING this thread.....

Originally posted by skippytjc

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Congratulations to the resistance and to the iraqi people.

And may the enemy find some peace in death.

Mods, give me my warning now, as I am about to deserve it...


I hope the terrorists you so love and cherish kill you one day in one of thier "freedom operations", better yet, I hope they kill your entire family except you so you can relish in thier "resistance". You are a pathetic excuse for a human (if thats what you are) and you dont deserve to be alive. You disgust me. Yoube carefull making statements like that, you arent as safe behind that computer as you may think...

Even though you were warned... bravo

Slightly off topic i know but:
We had a minutes silence for the explosions in London tonight at work, 4 b******s cheered, much to my and several other peoples displeasure, nearly leading me to suspension, luckily the managers saw it from my eyes

[edit on 5/8/05 by Stuey1221]

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Congratulations to the resistance and to the iraqi people.

And may the enemy find some peace in death.

Besides, i've never seen any of you respect the lives of the fallen resistance fighters. Where is your tragedy and your anger when they die, Glasnaut?

Originally posted by MrBunny
We pay respects to our marines becaue there were Americans, we rarely see fit to pay respects to the fallen enemy becasue there is a mindset of us and them.

All too often we chose to ignore that they too are human, even if they have differant beliefs.

Try to see this from an Iraqi's perspective.

You are living under the rule of a harsh dictator, and harsh laws. The United States Government sends in their military for obvious reasons (and no, not WMDs or Bin Laden, silly) and takes that leader out.

Now the US is occupying your country, and has set up a government they have deemed appropriate for you, but you do not agree with what they are doing. You did not like the US to begin with, but this is too much for you. You would defend your home, would you not? I know you crazy neocons would if someone invaded America to make it a "better place."

For example, imagine, hypothetically of course, if Sweden was the most powerful country in the world and the US was the military equivalent of Sweden. Sweden still has a socialist sort of government, but it works well for them. They invade us, and after a number of other excuses fail, they simply say "well, Bush was a terrible leader and we're making the US a better place by making it more socialist." Would you neocons not fight back?

This is the exact situation we are forcing on Iraqis. There is no "best" government, or political system. It is all subjective, and those that are fighting and resisting our occupancy obviously strongly disagree with what we are forcing down their throats. Then they kill some of our soldiers as they resist us, and we ignore their fatalities and simply say "how dare they kill our sons and daughters!" Not only is it their right as human beings to resist their rulers (lest you all forget the principles of our founding fathers), but these people that they are killing volunteered to put their lives in danger in order to fight these people that are simply trying to defend their homeland.

Maybe it's true that no sort of killing is moral ultimately, but I'm certain that defending your home from what are practically invaders is a much better reason to kill than simply because your country accused another of having certain weapons and were wrong. In fact, I don't see how the latter is a reason to kill anyone at all. And yet we're still there, and still killing the people that have lived there all their lives and just want us gone.

sigh..........

Edit: Pretend Sweden is technically socialist.

[edit on 5-8-2005 by bsbray11]

but we are not living under a ruler that tortures people at his whim, or rapes our wives simply because he wants to...he let his "friends" do whatever they wanted but if you were a citizen of that country and did that you were punished. we went into their country to help them out, which we have done so far. your comparing apples or orangers...our children are allowed to goto school, we have plenty of hospitals, our police force "for the most part" is about helping people, our military defends peoples rights, we believe men and women are equil. the life we are offering them is a better life. even a monkey could see that.

the life we are offering them is a better life. even a monkey could see that.

If this is true, then why do you think there are so many Iraqis willing to give their lives to drive us out of their home land? I suppose you could simply say that they're all stupid, or don't know what's good for them, and that we do, but there is something fundamentally flawed in holding that ideal, that strikes me as inhumane. It's like a Communist government assigning you a career at which you're totally unfamiliar, and without your consent.

I'm also wondering at what point our military became the world's misleaded superhero. So many people have come to accept this concept, that America is the world's hero, that it's really starting to bother me as a bit too Orwellian for comfort. Our founding fathers were totally opposed to this kind of military dominance (look at what Britain was doing back in those times), as they saw it as imperialistic. They recommended wars be fought strictly in self-defense. If we followed this, we wouldn't be in Iraq right now and this whole unfounded mess would've been avoided, and tens of thousands of lives spared. Then again, the original founding fathers and anti-federalists believed in extremely decentralized government, which would be borderline utopia if the idea had survived. I suppose some ideals must be too great to withstand human nature.

Anyways.. I'm ranting now so I think I'll go to bed. x.X

Originally posted by MrBunny
If this thread is for Condolances, perhaps we should also acknoladge the loss of life as a whole. We pay respects to our marines becaue there were Americans, we rarely see fit to pay respects to the fallen enemy becasue there is a mindset of us and them.

All too often we chose to ignore that they too are human, even if they have differant beliefs.

Loss of life is sad no matter what side you support. What is even sadder is the innocent loss of life through indiscriminate suicide bombings.

If the enemy, (and the enemy is terrorists because there is no Iraqi army fighting against us) dies while inflicting attacks against the coalition, then no one will shed a tear for them in the western world. Why would we? They target innocent civilians as well as the troops.

How many westerners shed a tear for the deaths of the hijackers in 9/11?
How many westerners shed a tear for the deaths of the bombers in 7/7?

If we were fighting against a countries army, then what you say would be right. The loss of life through armed combat is sad. The loss of a terrorist life because he or she has blown themselves up, killing innocent victims doesn't even deserve any compassion. The compassion lies with the innocents and their families.

My compassion goes out to all the families of soldiers and innocent victims of suicide bombings and terrorist attacks who have lost their loved ones.


[edit on 6-8-2005 by Bikereddie]

Syrian sister how can you openly congratulate the deaths of 14 HUMAN BEINGS..once you take off the uniforms and the helmets, once you take off the boots and throw away the rifles, thats what they are, not soldiers but HUMAN BEINGS..

Theres a very famous poem id like you to read and remember...

"No man is an island entire of itself,
Every man is a part of the continent a piece of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friends or thine own where.
ANY MANS DEATH DEMINISHES ME, BEACUSE I AM INVOLVED IN MANKIND, AND THEREFORE NEVER SEND TO KNOW FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS; IT TOLLS FOR THEE."

One day when your fully grown and have your own sons and daughters i hope you will realise that this world isnt about uniforms, countries and colours of skin, its about people..i hope with age you learn a little more.

I served in the first gulf war, and i can tell you personally, when you enter combat, its all about the man whos at your left and your right and the man who has your back, they are the ones protecting you, and you dont care if hes black, white, jew, muslim, chinese or buhdist, becaue your all one, hes your brother and you will care and die for him as he will care and die for you, you know how he smells, what he likes to eat, drink even upto identifyig a man by how he farts..the small inconsequencial things like, race, religion, creed and color dont exist and they dont matter.

I hope you change soon Syrian Sister and dont waste your life on hate and politics.



[edit on 6-8-2005 by andy1972]

That my friend is one excellent post.

What you wrote there came straight from the heart. You have seen first hand what battle is like. You threw away any problems regarding religion, race or creed. You have summed up what most people have no idea about. For that you deserve my upmost gratitude

And also this.........

You have voted andy1972 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

[edit on 6-8-2005 by Bikereddie]

Even though some members tried to reverse, it will be locked, as much as it pains me to do so. There is no honor or respect in dragging this out.

As there have been more warns issued in this thread alone, than any other. Sad the day is when so many are blind to the evil, the evil of dividing humanity against it's self. Polorization at it's worst.

Deny ignorance, yeah right that obviously didn't happen here did it.


Also, I have decided to top this, so all shall see what not to do. Many of you should be ashamed of yourselves, you are not there, what do you know, what wars have you fought, who have you seen die when you lived.

What sacrifices are you makeing, where is the family you have left behind so others may have a chance at the liberty being taken for granted.


[edit on 6-8-2005 by ADVISOR]