Piri Re'is and the Utah Sphinx

any way my view is that it is a rock formation.period
i have spent many hours looking at clouds and the same patterns can emerge.
i think they call them archetypes??

i thought this did address the subject..or am i not entititled to my point of view if it does not agree with yours..?

hhmmmm

ok to try to adrress the subject as such..please look at these images and tell me that he might have seen such images and decided that they were man made??


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i could probably get more but i cant be bothered now because it is quite obviously a NATURAL ROCK FORMATION that could have been seen anywhere in the world for all we know.

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Hello all,

bc] This thread is about discussing Piri Re'is and the Utah Sphinx for the purpose of advancing our knowledge of the Ancients and their ways.

Every one is entitled to their opinion, and they are free to express them, but it's not the subject of this thread .. and therefore opinion [not related to the website itself] is not of interest.

bc
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Here is a Translation of the side notes written on the map by Piri Reis himself.

Reis plainly gives credit of America's discovery to "Colombo." He tells of Spanish and Portuguese maps as his sources.

There is also very good Evidence (shown with the aid of graphics) that the map simply shows South America bent to the east. One obvious explanation for this is cartographical error. However, it is also possible that Reis was mislead by Portuguese maps that purposefully put as much of South America to the east as possible. This would have been in response to the Treaty of Tordesillas.

I was also wondering, is anyone else able to see the "Sphinxes" from the photographs alone? Call me blind--but I don't really see much a face.

Hello Zaknafein and all,

Zaknafein wrote] the [Piri Re'is] map simply shows South America bent to the east.

bc] In "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings," Charles Hapgood makes an exhaustive study of the lands of South America [that] bend to the east .. and firmly concludes that these lands are Antarctica.

My discovery of Piri Re'is and the Utah Sphinx adds to the mystique and furthers authentication.

Hapgood's book [first published in 1966] is now in reprint and available from David Hatcher Childress' Adventurers Unlimited.

The book has been much maligned by University, but those reading it will find it scholarly and accurate.

thanks

bc
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Originally posted by beforebc
Odium wrote:
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it is fairly easy to take a map and find a mountain and link the outline together if you rotate the image

bc] Okay! Let's see you do it!

Constallations demonstrate more than six [6] correlations with mythical astrology .....

I seem to recall that Admiral Reis (Piri means Admiral) stated in his own accounts that he copied the map from a far older source that itself was copied by numerous accounts from a map source from one of the Libraries of Alexandria. Furthermore the type of map that the Piri Reis map is (I forget the name of the specific type of map) is one that you could calculate/pinpoint the point of the center of the world from the view of the observer that made the map, which in the Piri Reis map seems to be south of modern day Cairo.

Reviewing what others have stated in this thread about opinionated authors who seem to put their own uneducated and questionable facts in their books to sell them, there are truths to be found in all their books, but I would agree statements made may be decieving for new self motivated people who are seeking out truth.

When it comes to Professor Charles Hapgood and his further studies and extensions to his postulations prior to him getting hit by a vehicle and killed, I would suggest reading "The Atlantis Blueprint" co-authored by Rand Flem-Ath, a close friend of Professor Hapgoods.

As to the a map of Antartica copied in Asia Minor from a source map that originated in Egypt being a profile of a rock formation in Utah .........

I'm in Vegas, I'll have to go to Utah to take a look for myself before forming an opinion.

I would also like to offer a tidbit of information concerning European visitation to the Americas pre-columbus:

When Columbus was 4 years old the Rosslyn "temple" was completed in Scotland and has carved corn engraved into the walls. Corn was only indiginious to the Americas. The Rosslyn Chapel also has engraven Aloe plants, only found in the American South West. Which demonstrates that someone in Scottland knew of a plant that was growing in Utah, but not in the Eastern states.

Next logical question:

If manmade, who could have carved the "Utah Sphynx"? Possibly the Anazasi, or their predicessors. The best oral traditions concerning the Anazasi or "ancients" of the Americas would be the Hopi native Americans.

Forgive me, I have reviewed the link, and believe the case is very weak, but not impossible.

Suggested reading: "The Atlantis Blueprint", a book which includes much of Professor Charles Hapgoods ideals and some strongly supported theories that point towards ancient cultures knowing more about the world than most of us give our ancestors credit for. Good reading.

My summary:

A map of Antartica (minus 3 miles of ice sitting on top of it) copied in Asia Minor (Turkey) from a map copied from a source map originating in Egypt resembling a rock in Utah that resembles a Sphynx.

a little much to chew on. but ..... I've seen wierder things that turned out to be true.

Originally posted by Heratix
ok to try to adrress the subject as such..please look at these images and tell me that he might have seen such images and decided that they were man made??


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i could probably get more but i cant be bothered now because it is quite obviously a NATURAL ROCK FORMATION that could have been seen anywhere in the world for all we know.

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HEY NOW!!!!!

That last link offended me!

Try to limit the amount of smut you present on ATS!!!

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Originally posted by Byrd
Agreed with the rest of them. Reis never made it to Utah and there's nothing in there about going to North America... and particularly far North and West America. Reis was well known and written about by his contemporaries.

That type of formation is called a 'hoodoo' (yes, that's actually the geological term) and they form all sorts of weird shapes. My favorites are out at Big Bend Ranch; a set that look like three old women standing on top of a rock.

i love the big bend area
its nice to see fellow texans

last time i was at big bend was many years ago
i dont really remember seeing that rock formation
next time i plan a trip down there...ill look for it

btw i bet u saw the marfa lights too huh?
weird stuff

edit:: to keep on subject
i think Reis map may be authentic but im not sure

i agree that the stone formation is most likely natural because of what off_the_Street said; being hes been there and seen it first hand

im with him on this one

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muzzleflash wrote] I agree that the stone formation is most likely natural because of what off_the_Street said; being he's been there and seen it first hand

bc] It is the nature of sacred sites [as opposed to monuments] to be natural. It is the fact that the site bear a resemblance to the gods that makes them sacred.

So being natural, is not an argument against .. it's confirmation for the site being on the Piri Re'is map as one of the world's sacred sites. There are others that I've not written about yet.

bc
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I wish I'd found this thread before it became necessary to ban and general ignore our spamming friend, because the Piri Reis map is a rather unremarkable mistake and nothing more.

I looked at beforebc's website and looked at the comparisin, frankly I don't see anything. What exactly is he saying, that because South America and some rock formation both have a lumy downard slope pointing up that they are the same?

Anyway, as I occasionally having to remind everybody when threads like this come up, Piri Reis didn't draw Antarctica. His map is not evidence of any ancient seafaring race with maps of the whole world, much less flight or super advanced mathematics as some of the more wild-eyed Piriphiles have claimed.

The Southern landmass is a continuation of South America. Look at the portion of South America which is properly represented- it stops somewhere roughly around what is now Uraguay. Now take a map of South America, turn it 90 degrees so that the East coast if facing up, and compare it to the landmass at the bottom of the Piri Reis map. Points to note include the distinctly shaped almost-island peninsula South of the Gulf of San Matias and the the Eastward (up on the piri Reis map) projection of the continent towards the bottom.

Furthermore, notes in the margins of the piri reis map attribute virtually all of the discovery to lost Portugese sailors!

Last but not least, the system of lines originating from the tropics and the Equator on the map are not "a highly advanced coordinate system indicating a mastery of spherical trigonometry" as some Hapgood enthusiasts claim. They are called Rhumb lines. They are an instrument both for cartographers and for navigators to keep a steady bearing, because any given Rhumb line crosses all meridians at the same angle. You can find such lines on most Portolan charts, which to our knowledge have only been in use since the 13 or 14th century- hardly old enough to prove ancient sources for Piri Re'is or anything else earth-shattering.

What is really interesting about the Piri Re'is map is why he started drawing his map in a scale that would take him off of the page if he didn't curve the continent towards the East.