U.S. Accuses Syria of 'intimidation, Interference' in Lebanon

WASHINGTON (AP) - Syria has not fully withdrawn its intelligence forces from neighboring Lebanon and is interfering with elections there, perhaps even organizing political assassinations, the Bush administration alleged Friday.
U.S. officials stopped short, however, of accusing the Syrians of carrying out either of two recent political killings.

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is syria moving closer to an attack by US or UN forces, with allegations of insurgence move accross syrian borders and the rumors of WMD being move into Syria, and now US and the UN are looking into these possible lies about withdrawing from Lebonon?

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I'm telling you. Arabs need to know their role.

Originally posted by finnman68
is syria moving closer to an attack by US or UN forces, with allegations of insurgence move accross syrian borders and the rumors of WMD being move into Syria, and now US and the UN are looking into these possible lies about withdrawing from Lebonon?

Is the US moving closer to an attack and building support through propaganda?
I think so.

They'll find an excuse to go into Syria.
If there's none there, they'll make one up.

Let's not pretend like this is about foreign fighters or WMD.
Commanders on the ground and US intel agents had already said those reports were blown out of proportion.
Report Finds No Evidence Syria Hid Iraqi Arms

The US has had plans to go into Syria from before the Iraq war even started.
If the military wasn't so bogged down in Iraq it would already have happened.

This is a speech by Texas Republican Ron Paul from November 2001:

House.gov

Since we don't know in which cave or even in which country bin Laden is hiding, we hear the clamor of many for us to overthrow our next villain- Saddam Hussein- guilty or not. On the short list of countries to be attacked are North Korea, Libya, Syria, Iran, and the Sudan, just for starters. But this jingoistic talk is foolhardy and dangerous. The war against terrorism cannot be won in this manner.

The drumbeat for attacking Baghdad grows louder every day, with Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, Richard Perle, and Bill Bennett leading the charge. In a recent interview, U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, made it clear: "We are going to continue pursuing the entire al Qaeda network which is in 60 countries, not just Afghanistan." Fortunately, President Bush and Colin Powell so far have resisted the pressure to expand the war into other countries. Let us hope and pray that they do not yield to the clamor of
the special interests that want us to take on Iraq.

Propaganda. Whatever. As long as Arabs know their role.

No need for a full scale war with Syria a massive show of force on its bored and in its skies will send the message to them loud and clear.

AofB
Is the US moving closer to an attack and building support through propaganda?
I think so.

They'll find an excuse to go into Syria.
If there's none there, they'll make one up.

you have some real issues with the US you have a right to your opinion and i love hearing all them, some better than others
but if that was the case why wouldn't America just let Isreal go in and take out syria, you know they have wanted to for many years. I don't think America just wants to go in and take out all of the middle east. i really think these countries are in a period in time were they need to be a civil part of the world. and US and UN are trying to help them find their way

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White House: Syria Meddling in Lebanon

WASHINGTON — President Bush (search) said Friday that he's disturbed by reports that say Syria is failing to live up to terms of a U.N. resolution that it withdraw all its forces and intelligence officers from Lebanon.

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I don't have anything to say about Syria's actions in Lebanon, but I do have something to say about the pot calling the kettle black.

Intimidation and interference?

Syria is an amateur player in that game, compared to the superpower I'm thinking of. We've been engineering regime changes in Latin America and the Middle East for decades, not to mention the Balkans and SE Asia.

We have a track record of doing this on a scale that makes any actions on Syria's part pale in comparison.

All that's needed is a little perspective. That's pretty much all I have to say.

It's your turn to pull out, Syria tells US

WASHINGTON: Syria's ambassador to Washington said on Wednesday he hoped the United States and Israel would follow his country's example and withdraw from Iraq and Palestinian areas, just as Syria was leaving Lebanon.
"We will withdraw (from Lebanon) as soon as possible, the sooner the better. And we are not talking of two or three months. We will do this very, very quickly," Syria's envoy Imad Moustapha said in a speech at Georgetown University.
"I hope this will inspire other countries in the Middle East to withdraw their occupations from Iraq and Palestine and from Syria itself," he said.
"President Bush has many times spoken about making Iraq a model that will inspire the whole Arab world... I think the Arab people will love to see this
Americans and the Israelis."

Syria is well aware of the hypocricy of the US telling them to pull out but they still lived up to their promise. When is the Israeli occupation of Sheba Farms going to end? When is the occupation of Iraq going to end? Don't tell me that the Iraqis want the US to stay because there were many in Lebanon who also wanted Syria to stay.

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The US govt is just pissed off because the Hezbollah is winning the elections

Syria is well aware of the hypocricy of the US telling them to pull out but they still lived up to their promise. When is the Israeli occupation of Sheba Farms going to end? When is the occupation of Iraq going to end? Don't tell me that the Iraqis want the US to stay because there were many in Lebanon who also wanted Syria to stay.

WTF? Iraq is not stable enough for the U.S. to leave we have only been there for like 2 years and well probably be gone in another year or two. Syria was in Lebanon for 30 years! And I don't have much love for Israel but they seem to be doing everything they can even against their own people to pull out of the Gaza settlements.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
WTF? Iraq is not stable enough for the U.S. to leave we have only been there for like 2 years and well probably be gone in another year or two. Syria was in Lebanon for 30 years! And I don't have much love for Israel but they seem to be doing everything they can even against their own people to pull out of the Gaza settlements.

You've been there over two years and the insurgency is stronger now than it was in the first year. What makes you think another two years is going to make things better?
I doubt the US will be totally gone by even by the 2008/2009 date suggested by Cheney.
They may just reduce forces to a couple of thousand.
Intelligence forces will probably remain even if the troops do go completely.

With Israel, they occupied Sheba Farms in 1967 and even though they were supposed to completely withdraw in 2000, the Lebanese say they have not withdrawn fully. The Golan Heights/Syrian Heights is also under occupation by Israel since that same date (part of the same area).

We have always occupied the land after a war. Even if it drops to a few thousand soldiers.

The way things are heating up in the east, we are going to be glad that we still have an occupation over there in that particular region !

I say we let Israel have there day with Syria !!!
-F- Them !

Truth

Israel has always been defying UN resolutions. Ususally, they will send a tractor or bulldozer near the border, wait for the Syrians to fire, if they don't then send it closer, the Syrians eventually fire, and that gives the reason for Israel to attack Syria, and keep moving in further and further. The US is pro-israel, hence this statement, but in fact Israel is the one thats constantly stirring trouble up in the middle east;

Why is it you don't understand politics? That's a good thing actually. Presidential terms determine policy. It's too bad Kerry didn't get elected. He understands what it means to let the chiefs steer the ship, what it means for SF to do their job. You don't throw a 100,000 rednecks in a country and expect them to plant flowers. LOL, I'm a redneck Jew so I know what I'm talking about. Syrians are no wussies. They are masters of espionage. You'd see an invasion of Iran before Syria - and without a draft and a new president to sign for it, it ain't going to happen.

Well there has been a number of reports on local news about this especially after Samir Kassir's ( the journalist ) murder.
There's a big electoral fight this sunday... Take it from me i smell some kind of trouble

A bit off-topic, I know, but did anyone else find it strange how one day the Syrains seemed to be in Lebanon, and the next day they appeared to be packing up and leaving, without even a murmur.
Considering they had been in Lebanon for so long and knowing how volatile this area is, I was suprised by how readily the Syrians packed up and left.

Well, thats how it looked to me. Maybe I am wrong!

Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
A bit off-topic, I know, but did anyone else find it strange how one day the Syrains seemed to be in Lebanon, and the next day they appeared to be packing up and leaving, without even a murmur.
Considering they had been in Lebanon for so long and knowing how volatile this area is, I was suprised by how readily the Syrians packed up and left.

Well, thats how it looked to me. Maybe I am wrong!

Well it seems that the current regime obviously doesn't want to lose Lebanon so they packed up what could be seen a.k.a the regular army, but the intelligence officers... i doubt it

Anyway i don't think that Bashar could dare to lose Lebanon:
First of all it seems that he's loosing something his late father achieved
And furthermore it'll cause him a lot of internal problems: If the population sees that the government is loosing control they might rise up against it
But now any syrian getting in touch with what's happening in Lebanon can still see that their regime is still meddeling in Lebanese affairs (they can notice the TOUCH ) and wouldn't dare to stir up a revolution