"The Ancients"

Gregnow i must say that you are desperately trying to make this thread into a trash.Again it's up to you wheather to belive in it and as for proof there is no damm proof just witnesses.And if you soo lazy to search about the meaning of the hindu religion then why are you trying soo hard and putting effort and time trying to debunk me and menguards' posts.
I think its time to put you in global ingore list.

[edit on 7-7-2005 by warthog911]

No actually Warthog I am not trashing anything. What I am doing is trying to ask you simple qestions on how and what you base your statements of fact on (or at least what you yourself claim to be fact). That is what this entire website is based on, the search for various truths on various subjects. Your statement about me being put on global ignore is ridicilous as i am simply asking you questions that you seem to never answer. You yourself though were put on global ignore because of your statements on this site of calling people who question you "debunkers" and "disinfo. agents".

Only very few people on this entire site make the kind of claims you do on what the "truth" is that is going in the world and then offer only stories they have read on the net as their "proof". That is NO proof. The only proof you offer is that an author somewhere actully wrote a story. Other then YOUR claims on what is going on in the world, there are then a multitude of other claims or "theories" of what is going on in the world and all of them are different from your claims. So, people like me, who need more then "stories" on the net, ask people like you how you can come on these threads and make the claims that you do when you have no real proof other then you say "Well, gee, I read the Lacerta Files or the Dulce report so it must be true. How in the world do you not know that the Lacerta and Dulce stories are true and not just stories on the net?

You talk about "witnesses". Where are all these "witnesses" that say the Lacerta and Dulce reports are true. There were no witnesses to the Lacerta interview or supposed interview, so how can you say it is factual and true and not just some guy making it all up?

Then to try and "validate" your claims on "reptilians" you say things like the Bible says that "reptilians and greys" are planning a fake 2nd coming, which it does not say that. I then ask you to simply show me where it does say that and you come back calling me a "debunker" instead. You do not even make sense. Then you say that the Hindu religion says that we are all a computer generated sim and i ask you were it says that in the Hindu religion and again you come back with nothing. Why? Probably because the Hindu religion does not say that at all. How could it since computers did not even exist when the Hindu religion was started.

Then you go so far as to say that God is a machine. Other then the Matrix movies, what do you base that statement on? Are you actually saying that the Matrix movies were telling us the truth of how things are? Well, then I guess we could say that any Sci Fi movies are telling us the truth of the way things are. That statement does not even make sense, as i pointed out before, if God is a machine then who built the machine.
I believe that there may be some "spiritual" truth to the main message behind the Matrix movies, but to say you know for a fact that God is a machine is insane. How do you know this Warthog?

You say you talked to a guy over the net who says reptilians have put implants in him and you just go and believe him??? Why did you not ask the guy why he has not just gone to get the implants x-rayed and removed so that he could prove to us all and the world that it is true?

When you were placed on global ignore, you actually wrote me a U2U blaming ME for YOU being put on global ignore. Do you actually think the moderators put you on global ignore because of ME? I am just another guy on this site like you.

If you can show me where any of the above statements you have made are actually written in the Bible or the Hindu religion or in ANY respected, reconized, time tested texts, then why not just show us all and prove me wrong and shut me up?

I already know you will not be able to. Instead you will make your wild claims of what the "truth" is and then when people like me (which is the majority of people, even the majority of people on this site) ask you where your proof of your claims is, you'll not provide proof and instead call us "debunkers" and "disinfo. agents".

Could everything you are saying be true? Yea, it could all be true. But then so could a lot of the "theories" or stories that have nothing to do with what you say. So how can you say the rest of us are basically fools because we need real proof of your claims before we agree that you are presenting us with the "truth". How do you know the other theories or stories out there are actually not the truth?

How in the world can anyone state that the Lacerta files are fact and actually happened? A guy writes a story that he interviewed a female reptilian, yet he offers no pictures and there were no witnesses to this interview and YOU call everyone who does not believe it "debunkers".

Warthog, what if Anne Rice wrote "interview with the vampire" on the net or even in a book and claimed it to be true (instead of what it was, fiction). Are you telling me YOU would then believe that her story of her interview with a vampire proves then that there are vampires just because she says so and just because she says her story is true?

Hello?


[edit on 7-7-2005 by GREGNOW]

Originally posted by alphabetaone
I want you to understand that im not trying to cast doubt on your experience, like i said im just finding it difficult to comprehend the rationale of NOT alluding to us in a more concrete fashion as to the right path to travel.

There is no right path to travel. Whatever path you travel is completely correct. Even if that path is one of a murderous psychopath. Certainly, you would need to balance out any harm you did to others in a future life or while in astral/dreaming. But only you judge yourself.

There are no saviors. We each hold all the answers within us. If you want more answers all you have to do is have a genuine intent for it. And be willing to drop any belief you may have.

There really is only one secret although these simple words do have deeper meanings. Know Yourself. If you know yourself, you will know all there is to know. But do be aware, it's going to take a long time to know yourself completely. You can't get it in one life. If people do get it this life, it is because they have prepared long and hard for it. (Actually, it will be an eternal process. By "get it" I just mean understand the lessons of the physical.)

Don't fret. Don't worry. You aren't going to hell. You aren't going to be left all alone. Work on yourself. Remove your fears. Removing fears removes mental limitations. Love yourself. If you can love (accept unconditionally) every part of yourself, including who you were in the past, then you will automatically love (accept unconditionally) all others as well.

All is One. We all are fractal reflections of the One Creative Source discovering itself through subjectivity. We are all thoughts of this creative energy. And all you experience is within One Mind. Learn to think without limits. Learn to love yourself without judgement. Seek objectivity.

Quoting a favorite band...

"Look around and choose your own road"

[edit on 7-7-2005 by ShadowHasNoSource]

please menguard tell me more about your encounter and could you throw some light on your grand fahther concering the Rosicrusians and MIB and did you got to talk with the sauruan?

as for greknow:en.wikipedia.org...

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[edit on 7-7-2005 by warthog911]

Warthog,

You were right I just forgot that after I had that contact with the reptilian my heart did hurt,it felt like a heart attack or chronic chess pain.I can't believe I forgot about that.I would say this was like an half hour after the encounter or forty five minutes.It made me stop and hold onto a table.I thought I was having a heart attack.It subsided after two or three minutes of it.It's almost like something felt like it was spiritualy attacking my heart.It felt like a psychic attack just on the heart.My heart felt like it was going to implode.This encounter with the reptillian happened four months ago.Why is it they say that when you see their form you die?I was told when I was being attacked that it was for seeing his true form from my higher self.I put a white light all around me and it seemed to do the trick.As far as the Rosicrusians go they would stop by my moms house when she was little and perform some levitation acts with my grandpa by making tables float in the air.I know little about the encounters just from what my mom recalls.My grandpa is deceased,but he's around me when I need to be told things or answers to my questions.I will ask my mom more about the encounters with them. p.s I will post more tomorrow when I get home,its late here.

[edit on 8-7-2005 by menguard]

Warthog911, again you come up with nothing to back your claim that vthe Hindu religion says we are a "computer generated sim". You sent a link (above) to a page on the Hindu religion, yet no where on that page does it say we are a "computer generated sim". So, again you come up with nothing to back what you said.
Warthog, one of the main reasons people do not take you seriously is for the reason above. You make wild claims that the Bible and Hindu religion say things to back up your claims, when in fact they do not. Then when given the benifet of the doubt and asked to present where it actually says the claims you make, you come up with nothing.

Mengaurd, you did not answer my questions to you about the person you yhink was a "reptilian". Also did you ever think that maybe since you "think" for some reason that the human you saw was a "reptilian" that you actually had an anxiety attack and it was all because of you getting paranoid and scared over whatever reason in your mind that you think you saw a "reptilian" posing as a spanish dishwasher?
Mengaurd, sometimes you make no common sense. Like why not just talk to the person if they are right there? Why not just ask your spanish friends who you say know him, to tell you whop he might be?
Again, please read my other post to you and please answer the questions (if you can).

Gregnow you are just blinded.Matrix=illusion.Have you seen the matrix movies esp the 3rd one.It is all based on the hindu religion.EVen in lacerta files she says that everything is an illusion.DO you know which credit music was rolling after the ending of the 3rd matrix movies.It was in sanskrit.I gave you a link about beliefs about hinduism and you blindly deny it.GOd i wish indigo_child was there with me.He would have flooded this thread about the vedas but again we are dealing with menguards' reptilian encounter.Please menguard go ahead.

Warthog, you really are crazy and should seek help. How do you say I am "blinded" by the link you sent. Plain and simple, you said that the Hindu religion says we are a "computer generated sim". I then ask you to show us all where the Hindu religion says that and you send a link to the Hindu religion that says NOTHING about us being a computer generated sim. The link you sent DOES mention the word "Matrix", but that does not mean it is talking about the "Matrix movies". The term "Matrix" has been around long before the matrix movies.
Just because the Matrix movies may or may not be based on the teahings of the Hindu religion or even Gnostic teachings, does not mean that God is actually a "machine". They are sci fi movies that pit machines against the human race just like the Terminator and other sci fi movies. Are you now saying that the Terminator also is the truth of the way things are just because you saw the movie???????????
You seem to confuse things up a lot Warthog and that's when you start making up false claims that the Bible and Hindu religion says things to back up your claims when they do not.
And again you mention the "Lacerta Files " as if you know for a fact it is a true story.
Dude, the truth is YOU would believe ANYTHING anyone out there writes about "Reptilians" at this point.
Again, if Anne Rice said that here story "Interview with the Vampire" was actually a true story, YOU would probably be all over this site saying that it must be true. It is exactly waht you do now. You even use Sci Fi movies to offer your "proof" that God is a "machine".
Also as far as being "blinded" and that this world we live in is an "illusion", that is what just about (if not all) religions teach to one extent or another. So this is not new news or something. Every relgion I have ever read about states to one extent or another that our true nature is that of the "spiritual realm" and not of the "material world" and that we get tied up in the " material world" which keeps us from our true nature. However i have not come across any that say "God is a machine". Yet YOU say this (along with other things you say) is the absolute truth and if we do not believe it we are "debunkers" or "disinfo. agents".
Put you money were your mouth is Warthog and instead of calling the rest of us names, show us where you actually can prove this (other then Sci Fi movie that is where even the writers of those movies do not calim that what they showed in the movie is the truth).


[edit on 8-7-2005 by GREGNOW]

Warthog, I also just noticed a contradiction in what Mengaurd is saying and the Lacerta files (both of which you say are true, even though there is no proof). Mengaurd says that when he looked at the spanish guy (who he thinks is a reptilian) that he felt like he was having a heart attack and going to die and he says that if people see the reptilians true form they will die.
Then why did the interviewer (or author) of the Laerta files not die? And if there was a reason for him not dying then why is that reason not mentioned in the Lacert Files (or maybe it is and i did not see it, so if there is a reason , tell me).
Also you say there are witnessess to the "reptilians', so why have they not died after they saw their true form?
Right here i am presenting you with a contradiction in two things you believe and say is the truth...

Gregnow,

No, after my encounter my heart started to feel like it was a heart attack.This happened out of the blue.I had no anxieties from it,I was told that I was being attacked spiritualy by the one who I saw.As far as asking the guys that work in another department they would probably have no clue on what I am talking about.Let alone know who I am talking about.I know what I felt and saw.This guy had a brief appearance and was gone the following day.Where he went who knows.

Gregnow would you know more bout hinduism then me.I live in india and i am a hindu so please STFU and about the heart attack did you even read the lacerta files properly.She didn't reveal her true self but she revealed it it EF who was terrified.REad the lacerta files properly then then argue moron.

[edit on 9-7-2005 by warthog911]

Warthog, you resort now to calling me a moron, yet you continue to act like one by your own statements.
I never said i knew more about you then your own Hindu religion. What i did do instead was ASK YOU to show me and others WHERE it says in the Hindu religion that "we are all a computer generated sim". which was YOUR statement of what the Hindu religion says.
Instead of showing me where it ACTUALLY says that, you send a link to a Hindu religion page that actually DOES NOT say anything about that. I then point that out to you and again ask you to show where it actually says that and now instead you call me a moron and still do not show where it says "We are all a computer generated sim". If you do indeed know so much about the Hindu religion, then SIMPLY SHOW us where it says "we are all a computer generated sim". YOU are the one looking like a "moron" on these threads Warthog by your far out claims of the truth that you never have proof to back up, yet say the rest of us are fools if we need more then "stories" on the net to believe what you say.
As far as my comment on the heart attack and possible panic attack Mengaurd may have been having due to him possibly being a paranoid with delusions in his description about a spanish dishwasher he saw and "by his guy feelings" thinks is a "reptilian" in disguise, I am an EMT and do have basis to make comments like that as i am familar with mental conditions that can bring on physical conditions in the body. That and his story has holes in it when it comes to common sense and asking simple questions to someone he perceived a certain way in a very an otherwise NORMAL situation.
Warthog, you are the only one here that may look like a "moron" (as you called me), because you constantly say that certain things are said in the Bible (in this and other threads that you yourself have made), yet those things are NOT said in the Bible and when you are asked to show where it says something you say it does, you never can show where it does.
Now you even say that the Hindu religion says "we are all a computer generated sim", yet you can NOT show where it actually says that.
so please before calling me a "moron" and possibly getting yourself put on global ignore YET AGAIN, look at yourself, ok?
i myself am not calling you a moron but I am saying you are clearly confused about alot of things that you think you are clear. This is simply evident by the way you says certain religious texts says things to back up YOUR claims, yet they do not and when ask to show where they do you can not.
Also you seem to simply believe anything that is written about the "reptilians" just because someone wrote it, yet there is no proof to the stories.
Also my contradiction i pointed out to you still stands. I don't care if the interveiwer was "scared" when he saw the reptilains true form (saying for the sake of argument that Lacerta is even true at all), ANYONE would be scared if they saw a human turn into a reptile. The point is Mengaurd says that you die if you see the true reptilian form and the Lacerta Files say nothing about this and the interviewer says nothing about it.
Anyway, you have yet to back up your claims about the Hindu religion and the Bible Warthog. Before you call me a "moron", you really need to check your head yourself first...

[edit on 9-7-2005 by GREGNOW]

I dont want to discuss anything with you further.I might be wrong calling you a moron but i dont want to talk to you anymore.I have never seen a user in this ancients post be soo hellbent to debunk menguards claim.I see where you are comming from.

This is all very interesting but I'm very interested in these Ancients physically.

Are they actual physical creatures?
You said they are giants but how big?
Do they come up out of the center of the earth or are they locked down there?

And maybe a stupid question, but here goes: What in the world do they eat?

Mengaurd, you make no sense. You say "who knows who this guy was" and "who knows where he went"????
Yet you say in your original post about this "guy" that all your spanish friends were gathered around him like they knew him, etc., etc.
Why then would you not simply ask "hey, who was that guy you were all talking to, etc., etc."?
Am I missing something here that otherwise seems like a common sense thing that you would do when you have feelings about someone that you don't understand, yet you see all your friends gathered around the guy?
did you ever think it might just be simpler and eaiser to just ask those friends of yours simply who the guy was, instead of thinking you have to go and leave you body to get an answer that may or may not even be right?
Any normal person would just ask his friends who the guy was, you know?
Unless I am missing something about what you said about your friends gathered around him and knowing him, etc., you are showing signs of being a paranoid skitz. I am not saying that to be mean, but in hopes that you might question your own sanity since it seems you are NOT just taking a VERY common sense NORMAL route by asking simple questions to your friends about the guy and instead you are leaving your body to figure out who the guy was.
Believe it or not, I DO believe that people can leave their bodies as I have done so since i was a little kid (usually not by my choice). but i also feel there are entities out there that can LIE to you while out of body, because of their own agendas. Perhaps they are even "reptilian" but i have not seen them. I do feel that spirit entites can make themselves appear to a person by looking into that person's mind and then appearing to that person a certain way. There is some evidence to this as BEFORE the mass of the popluation became aware of the "grey" looking aliens in the 1940's and reporting being not able to move when visited by the aliens, people used to report things like trolls and witches visiting them in their sleep but they felt awake and where not able to move as the trolls or witches would sit on their chest and make it hard to breath.
Perhaps their are simply intelligences out there that take what we fear in our minds at a particular point in time in what the mass of people believe in most and then they appear to people in those feared forms...


[edit on 9-7-2005 by GREGNOW]

Warthog, the only reason you do not want to talk to me is because you can NOT back up your claims on what YOU say the Bible and the Hindu religion say. I have simply asked you to show where these things are said in the texts, yet you do NOT show it and instead resort to calling me a "debunker" and a "moron".
I in fact have NOT "debunked" anything. Instead I have actually given you the benifet of the doubt and ASKED YOU to SHOW where the Bible and the Hindu religion says what you claim it does. YOU have NOT done this, plain and simple.
READ the end part of my last post to Mengaurd and you will see that i am alot more open minded about the "spiritual realm" then you think as i myself have expirenced certain things.
To add to it all I myself have been fooled by what i now believe to have been "evil" (for a lack of a better term) forces in my life...
I have NEVER said i do not believe in "reptilians". They may well be true. BUT then agin A LOT of things may be true. What i require is more proof of what is what - more then just stories on the net...

i also believe that Mengaurd's story about the "Acients" may be true, but again i need more CONCRETE proof. Also there are a lot of "holes" in Mengaurd's story here. That could be simply because he has not been show all of the truth OR he is being FOOLED/TRICKED while out of body OR he could be making this all up OR he could have a mental disturbance. I would not know as he is simply an unknown person on the net who i , no anyone else here, actually knows in REAL LIFE. So there is NO LOGICAL way for me or anyone else (including YOU Warthog) to CONCLUDE (key word here for you to think about Warthog) on anything about Mengaurd (or others who write stories on the net).

Warthog, even your own signure quote on your profile here shows me your confusion. The quote you posted has been said by MANY different people of different backgrounds. Yet you then put a link to the Lacerta Files after it as if just because that quote if from the Lacerta Files, then you think the Lacerta Files must be true.
The quote may have truth to it, but that does not make the main story of the Lacerta Files true...


[edit on 9-7-2005 by GREGNOW]

Mengurad i am u2u
ed about about the matrix theory and reptilians.I hope this settles us and we can be friends.AS for the quote,its from the matrix reloaded.I just twisted the ending cuz people dont know their true purpose:salvation and peace and have been blinded by it by waging wars,divinde and rule evil things.I am not connecting lacerta files with that quote.

The matrix theory is of the truth vibration.We are unplugged from our true state of being.We are eternal,we can defy any law there is because we are energy in motion.Laws only apply to us because of the known or basic known.What happens when we tap into the energetic uknown.I will tell you marvels take place.Something that defies the known laws of physicality.We defy what is definable to create a new definition.We are undefinable ,why because we are all ways shifting states of consciousnees/being.

menguard what makes you sure that we would win and move to the 4th density.Have you read john titor's story.it looks like that the illuminati\reptilians won but he was from a parallel universe.Have the ancients talked about john titor?

Earth at its basic level of being is at the fourth dimension of being.I was told the shift took place completely not too long ago.Many are on their way to becoming masters of reality.The fifth dimension is redefining time.