Were Civil Liberties a Casualty of 9/11?

WASHINGTON � The Sept. 11 attacks shattered the American sense of freedom, casting the very idea of freedom in a new light.

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It certainly seems like we being "conditioned" to accept loss of freedoms.

I think the attacks happened,not because of our freedoms,but because most people thought it would never happen.We got lazy.And we didn't pay attention to the world around us.

Exactly what "freedom" did you think you had, that you feel you are now loosing?

Originally posted by nyeff
It certainly seems like we being "conditioned" to accept loss of freedoms.

AMEN! Fear mongering & False Alarm 'color coded' terror warnings are tools of that conditioning.
Some relevant Quotes:
" They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary saftey deserve neither liberty nor safety "-Franklin

"Let's suppose ten people are killed by a small bomb on a street corner in some city in America. The first thing to understand is that there are 280 million Americans. So, there's one chance in 28 million you're going to be one of those people. By such heartless means of calculation, the 3000 deaths in the Twin Towers came approximately to one mortality for every 90,000 Americans. Your chances of dying if you drive a car are one in 7,000 each year. We seem perfectly ready to put up with automobile statistics. I fear I am ready to say there is a tolerable level to terror." - Norman Mailer

Originally posted by R. Daneel Olivaw
Exactly what "freedom" did you think you had, that you feel you are now loosing?

Here's a pocket guide for you:
Some of the fundamental changes to Americans' legal rights by the Bush administration and the USA Patriot Act following the terror attacks:

* FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation.

* FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.

* FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

* FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

* RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

* RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

And for anyone set to argue the above as 'necessary', please refer to the Franklin quote.

Right now I haven't lost any freedoms,but the government keeps repeating that thing's are going to have to change to fight this war.They want to poke around our computers,wiretapping ,freedom of speech are the ones I hear about the most.Then they tell us it's in our best interest.

Sorry but I will decide what is in my best interest,not the government or anybody else.

Most folks don't know what their liberties and rights are, therefore they do not know what happened to them the eight years before this administration; they instead fear what this administration will do because of the war on terrorism.

I am also concerned about what might happen to this country's God-given liberties and freedoms due to this war as well, but the shameful thing is most do not pay attention during the normal years.
How many people here screamed bloody murder when a woman and her husband were detained for a day or two when she had the audacity to yell at the then-president Clinton "You suck! Those men died in Somalia because of you!" That is what the freedom of speech is all about; you can tell the emporor he has no clothes, not about porn and vulgarity and burning the flag. The rights have been arped, perverted and mistranslated by activist judges and deviant media moguls for so long, Americans wouldn't understand their actual basic rights if you slugged them upside the noggin with the Constitution.

The dumbing down of the citizenry is close to completion. If it isn't in this generation, the fading of the liberties that most now don't understand anyway will be done.

Such is life in the world. The U.S. with its vague resemblance to the way it was established has lasted longer than what the founding fathers thought it would, anyway.

If you want to see what will replace your liberties of taday, spend a few weeks reading the U.N. site.

reply to post by Ocelot



There is no room for doubt that our freedom and civil liberties are at stake, and the 911 event was only an excuse to advance the removal of this freedom. 911 is a huge cover-up among three governments: the US, England, and Saudi Arabia.






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