What is the significance of the year 2012?

I really wanted to know if anybody had some good information about the year 2012? One of the things that I have heard is that thats the year the mayan calendar ends (dont know why). Also I have heard that is the year of enlightenment and the year when the human race will evolve.

First off, greetings and welcome planetlegend.
I hope your time here is an informative one and a fun experience as well. Great peeps here also.

As to your question....from what I understand about 2012....you have virtually answered the question yourself.

Here are some links I had written down:
www.levity.com...

www.greatdreams.com...

I would suggest using the search function for further info and comments on "2012." I think I recall some topic on this that may prove helpful. Then again, many who may know more might drop in on this.

regards
seekerof

u know i jstu realized this today. THe Isreal palastine "roadmap" is to be finish on 2005 with a treaty signed by palastine and isreal. And according to the christian bible says the treaty would last 7 years 2012

Originally posted by Seekerof
First off, greetings and welcome planetlegend.
I hope your time here is an informative one and a fun experience as well. Great peeps here also.

As to your question....from what I understand about 2012....you have virtually answered the question yourself.

Here are some links I had written down:
www.levity.com...

www.greatdreams.com...

I would suggest using the search function for further info and comments on "2012." I think I recall some topic on this that may prove helpful. Then again, many who may know more might drop in on this.

regards
seekerof

thanks for those links they are truly helpful. But I'm confused because someone said that the mayan calander was misinterpreted because it really ends 2020 instead of 2012. I was wondering if you know anything about that. thanks again!

planetlegend,
Those links should help answer what you have heard and what you may be looking for.
I have heard nothing of 2020 as it pertaining to the Mayan calender.

regards
seekerof

The Mayan calendar "runs out" and there are no Mayans around to make another one.

It's got about the same significance as if your calendar hit December and you couldn't find another calendar for your wall.

Actually there are still some people that follow the Mayan culture and religion. They can't make another because for some reason (I don't know what) that would be impossible. Check out the Nova video on the Mayans, it might help more than I can.

Originally posted by daniel191159
Actually there are still some people that follow the Mayan culture and religion.

I seriously doubt this. The Mayan religion featured human sacrifice and self-mutilation and other practices that eventually ended up being melded with Catholic rituals. The rules for the sacred ball game (yes, there was one and the losers were sacrificed) are mostly vanished. The world is very closely-knit these days -- we'd be aware of a religion (we'd call it "cult" that held frequent human sacrifices.

There is a "new tradition" Mayan religion but it isn't the same as the original one. It's been Catholicized and elements put in that we know aren't there (we can read their writing).
www.wsu.edu:8080...

They can't make another because for some reason (I don't know what) that would be impossible.

Well, they're not sure how the baktun coefficients are handled, but other than that you can calculate Mayan dates for just about anything:
www.pauahtun.org...
My birthdate in 2025 falls on "1 Cib 9 Yaxkin"

(More Research)

(this is a good site)
www.hermetic.ch...

(calculate dates... this is fun!)
www.michielb.nl...

[Edited on 7-8-2003 by Byrd]

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thanks for those links they are truly helpful. But I'm confused because someone said that the mayan calander was misinterpreted because it really ends 2020 instead of 2012. I was wondering if you know anything about that. thanks again!


All I can say is that I have read that the 2012 date is a mistranslation on the part of western translators.

I will look for my source and get back to yo with more details.

When translating the Mayan Calendar the date in question is related specifically to the date presented in the current standard as 2012.

It is called the end of days and that does not imply it means the end of the calendar, rather what is suggested is the end of time as we understand it.

It is important to emphasis that the word "understand" is central to the meaning of the term "end of time" As a result what is not being suggested is the end of the world but instead an event that alters the perception on some fundamental level.

The Japanese have similar legends as do the Chinese if memory serves several other ancient culture speak of this.

With respect to Mayan culture yes they were very aggressive and did engage in Human sacrifices.

And this like every culture in the world was done with the belief that it made a difference.

There are indications that a cause for the fall of the Mayan culture was the related to a new philosophy which asserted that it was time to change.


Any thoughts?

Whatever the correct year, is it true that the actual reason for the end of times is that a huge blast of some kind of energy that runs through the universe is gonna hit earth due to the planetary alignments?

I think some people believe that when this energy hits us the human race will become aware and enlightened, hence starting a new way of existance. Some even say that we may mutate!

Take care.

Originally posted by pixilair
But I'm confused because someone said that the mayan calander was misinterpreted because it really ends 2020 instead of 2012.

Firstus... "western translators" don't exist (I'm being overly picky here) but archaeologists do exist. They are the ones reading the stones.

The Long Count cycle does indeed end in 2012. The original sources and translated stones/artifacts/etc did not report what it is that the Maya expected at the end of the Long Count cycle: www.wikipedia.org...

If you'll look at the resources out there, you will find the more oddball stuff comes from ordinary citizens who aren't really able to translate the Mayan symbols themselves. It's not coming from archaeologists or anyone even associated with the digs (people who would do this directly.) You get all sorts of mind-fluff, including things like "According to the Maya, beginning March 15, 1999, a powerful gateway may be accessed by those who reach a place of attunement with universal - primordial energy. "

Guess what. There's nothing like that written on any of the temples and in any of the original source material (including the material from the Conquistadores.)

Why do those things exist? Someone has a Bright Idea and hasn't actually studied the culture -- and wants to sell you a book. Poke around the PBS site, and you'll get a better handle on what we really know (and how much outright fakery there is on the nets.) www.pbs.org...


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Some good info on the various date systems used by the Mayans and why they needed a complex calendar:
webexhibits.org...

Anthro lecture notes on Mayan Calendar and sacred cycles (note that they only knew the planets through Saturn... and not Uranus, Neptune, Pluto):
www.ku.edu...

School web page, but good links:
www.internet-at-work.com...

Much of the "Mayan Information" was actually "channeled" by people who claimed to be psychics. What they channel, like Edgar Cayce's channeled material about Atlantis, doesn't agree with what we really know.

Originally posted by pixilair
Whatever the correct year, is it true that the actual reason for the end of times is that a huge blast of some kind of energy that runs through the universe is gonna hit earth due to the planetary alignments?

No. That one's a holdover from some of the hippie stuff from the 1960's. The "Age of Aquarius" was a great song but as prophecy and philosphy it was a washout.

"Planetary alignments" aren't that unusual (they've happened millions of times during our multi-billion year history) and nothing has happened. Your computer monitor has a stronger gravitational pull and electrical field impact on you than does the planet Mars.

As for the "huge blast of some kind of energy that runs through the universe is gonna hit earth due to the planetary alignments" -- no. Remember how HUGE the universe is.

Let me give you an example. Imagine yourself on a beach that's two miles long. Every single grain of sand is a star (with solar system.) Now imagine that in one of those grains of sand, 10 electrons in 10 atoms of quartz in a sand grain (imagine that there's 100,000 quartz and feldspar atoms in this grain of sand) suddenly line up. What's the impact on the sand and the beach?

Right. Exactly nothing. Planets line up here in the solar system frequently as they do across the universe. Nothing happens as a consequence... they're too small compared to the universe.

Well Edgar Cayce also revealed stuff that turned out to be right later. I wouldn't be surprised if something happened in 2012. I think we might have misjudge some old civilisations knowledge.

www.levity.com...

This site is a fairly good reference on the subject.

It is important to consider that with respect to the significance of ancient cultures stories which pertain to cycles do seem to permeate all cultures.

More with respect to Terrence Mckenna's research

www.innerx.net...

Originally posted by m0rbid
Well Edgar Cayce also revealed stuff that turned out to be right later.

Like California falling into the Pacific Ocean? Like this event triggering the rise of Atlantis off the Atlantic coast (set to happen in 1978 or so)?

Some of Cayce's medical diagnoses turned out for the benefit of the patient, but his "channeled material" was a dismal flop. He did no better than you could by guessing.

I wouldn't be surprised if something happened in 2012. I think we might have misjudge some old civilisations knowledge.

But (archaeologically speaking) there ARE no old civilizations that made a prediction about 2012. Not a one. Including the Mayas.

Originally posted by Toltec
www.levity.com...

This site is a fairly good reference on the subject.

It is important to consider that with respect to the significance of ancient cultures stories which pertain to cycles do seem to permeate all cultures.

The problem is that he discusses the data and then leaps ahead to his own conclusions. Notice that he states that "The Maya are not generally credited with knowing about the precession of the equinoxes" (which is VERY true because they lived on the equator.) He next ignores this (there is no evidence that they knew of this) so that he can continue with his theories.

This, I'm afraid, is a common tactic of those with an idea to prove and no real backing for the info.

He then adjusts his figures by whipping back and forth between modern time and Mayan time ("I use the exact center of the Milky Way band that one finds on star charts" -- something that would have been UNKNOWN to early astronomers because they didn't have good telescopes.)

He then explains that he's doing this to explain why the calendar ends and why it's so significant -- and totally ignores the CULTURAL and archaeological reason -- that the calendars were so disjunct (the feast set for that it took that amount of time to get them to line back up again.

That's bad science.

It's bad culture.

It's bad logic.

u know i jstu realized this today. THe Isreal palastine "roadmap" is to be finish on 2005 with a treaty signed by palastine and isreal. And according to the christian bible says the treaty would last 7 years 2012

Interesting observation....