The Shadow Government of the United States and the Decline of America

Thomas, about turning it around. Sometimes I feel like the look out on the bridge of the Andre Doria seeing the Stockholm coming out of the fog. It seems like all you can do is sound a collision warning and brace for the crash. The big problem is the people who control the money. You have to get a government that cannot be controled by the banks and the bankers which means a third party has to spring up and take control. Just to straighten out the financial mess caused by the Federal Reserve would take probably ten years. Then it would take ten years to straighten out the educational system. Then you would also need a honset unbiased news media. It could be done but I think that not enough Americans really care enough to do any thing about it. Truly as far as I am concerned, our best hope is that the pre-tribulation rapture adherents are right.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Being patriotic is good, assuming you are fully aware of and agree with that which you are pledging your loyalty. In order to get better, this nation must first survive. But I have a larger question.

At some critical point, society becomes so ignorant and so amoral that there is no way to pull back from the inevitable. Might we have reached that point? Maybe the HAARP is making me a bit depressed after all, so would anyone like to tell me how we could get back to the "Good Ol' Days" of dignity, morality, rugged individuality, and once again, the shining light in the darkness by which all may guide? Or has their plan of making us unholy worshippers of self and, inadvertantly, the government, been successful?

Being patriotic Thomas is not good at all, basiclly i understand the feeling of love/like the land u live in, you grow in etc etc, but AN ENTIRE COUNTRY, is much more than that, say love your country is stupid, why?
What are u gonna love?
Laws that are fuc*ing up everybody�s freedom?
The Dirty Streets?
The Noise?
The Killers?
The Materialism?
The Shops?
The Programs?
The Goverment?

What is what you exactly love of your country being patriotic?
Do you know that most of patriotic people never visited more than 5% of their Native Countries????
Strange isn�t it?
There are a lot of questions to ask to a patriot, also if he dies for his country, what are u dying for?
Laws?
Weather?
Advertising?
Materialism?
99% of the people of your country that u don�t know?
Or the Authorities?

The only thing i can agree with all the patriots, is about natural places, nature itself, that is the only thing i�d consider to feel proud about (ask the people of New Zeland overhere, they live in a paradise). Or The US has such a nice places, Mountains ,Rivers, Valleys, etc etc.
Of course, u can�t feel proud or owner of land, because nobody owns land, the stones are not yours, nor the animals, nor the water, or the air.
So my question is what the heck do you feel proud about?
I just never understood patriotism, anyway talking about your larger question, i have the same fears, that the ignorance is growing so much, that people is less kind than ever before, there is more unjustice now than 2000 years ago, the people never ask questions, they get the answers and they believe without even filtering the info they get, (just remember my mom years ago watching news on TV and believing EVERY SINGLE WORD it came out of their mouths) i feel ashame of her, but i can�t help it, people decides to believe in the easiest, do the easiest, and worry the least, they don�t want troubles, or anything like that, they want easy live, all well done, all given to them etc etc.
People avoids difficult, look, i though a while ago, that what divides the earth is not "good and evil"
is "difficult or easy"
Why?
Because every decision is based upon that, if it�s gonna be a difficult situations, if it�s gonna be difficult to solve out, or handle, etc etc etc.
Just take a look at the whole world, how people are basing their decisions, common people, they all want the easiest way to scape from problems, normally easy is bad, no effort on what you do, or not well though enough, etc etc.

I guess "they" are wanting to make it look impossible, to make our life itself a trouble, to not worry about the rest, and so on, little by little we are transforming our psicology in just "the strongest survive" and we are supose to live in a society, not in the jungle...

I've been reading the article and I would have to agree with it. I think it sheds a new perspective on things. Keep posting the good stuff. I recommend Noam Chomsky to get the real disgusting details of what hwe do. Hopefully, I'll get to read more from Cold Anger before I get banned.

Originally posted by CoLD aNGeR

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne

Just take a look at the whole world, how people are basing their decisions, common people, they all want the easiest way to scape from problems, normally easy is bad, no effort on what you do, or not well though enough, etc etc.

I guess "they" are wanting to make it look impossible, to make our life itself a trouble, to not worry about the rest, and so on, little by little we are transforming our psicology in just "the strongest survive" and we are supose to live in a society, not in the jungle...

I was watching Aaron MacGruder last night (the creator of my avatar) and he said that information and news today is just another name for entertainment and you will NEVER get the real news because that is not what they want you to see.

The White House is in constant contact with news agencies and Hollywood saying, "No, don't print that story." "No, I don't think that music video show be aired." (They banned "By the Time I get to Arizona" on MTV)

We are just gettting the information THEY want us tro know, the safe information, and in that way, they control us and how we think.

Just as a note,in my opinion the most foolish thing someone could do is give his/her life for something that doesn't exist,the country,the government,they are fictions.

It's a freedom thing,freedom has been gone for a long time so most have no idea what that is either.

Wars are a stupid waste of people and resources which are waged to keep people under control and distracted,distracted with this foolish patriotism when they have no real comprehension of what it actually means to be a patriot,controlled by the mounting debt and increasing cost of living that is a result of it,and the widespread ignorance that these wars are fought by the banks.

The age of information overlaod isn't helping either,it seems most ppl here have to be distracted on a full time basis to keep from going insane,everything has it's place ,and no things place is everywhere all the time.

I now am beginning to realise where the saying"stupid,arrogant americans" comes from,I see it too,and I live here.

Yep, I've actually read this before....

It's got some great basic insights, but it also connects some dots that don't really connect. I guess the biggest problem I always have about a grand conspiracy of the NWO, is:

Why seek the power that you already have?

These connections, if truly valid...would mean that they already have this control...

I especially enjoyed the part about Republic vs. Democracy... As always, being reminded that our money is completely unconstitutional is always rather nagging, hehe... I'm surprised it didn't mention that technically, we are still in a state of martial law...but oh well....

Some great points, but you really have to weed through it....

i've read insofar as to say what i've thought for a while, the power of the dollar blinds man, spirit and soul, into falling into the pit of materialism, and once man has expirienced the numbing luxuries presented by this virus, he can never be cured, for when one has comfort, real or not, he won't leave it. the dollar, in all its glory, is our nations noose. economy, and economists, bankers and the like, control most of the free world, and own the rest. once we break free of materialism, we can begin to understand simplicity, until then we won't escape the material, and the few who have will stand alone and together.

another thing, no man should pair any religion, nor any god with the name of our government, for the constitution written up by our fathers states that their is no state sanctioned religion, god, or belief that must be shared by the people, that is to say all people have a choice into whoch path of enlightenment, or in most cases unenlightenment. the struggles of daily life, are kept up by whomever, unknowlingly, to keep the peoples eye off the failures of the government, when the young wake up and realise this, you get a revolution, yet our fathers still do nothing to fix the mistakes they have made, and when you are of age, and realise this, you still do nothing, nd watch as time goes by. why won't you fight for freedom like so many of us will, there is a great storm brewing, and when the nation is engulfed in the rains of rebellion, i hope people will be awakened to their errors, and atone for their sins by fighting alongside us.

You are so right,this is the problem though.
many individuals like you and I and a bazillion others are realising this same thing.
This is the reason that 9/11 was allowed to happen,this is the reason that the patriot act was presented so shortly after 9/11,it was a huge bill,300+ pages,it came out way too soon after 9/11 to have not been written prior to the event in my opinion.
IMHO 9/11 was allowed to happen as a cover for what was already in the works,everything afterward until the present is just a distraction to avert our attention from the obvious horse$hit that the gov has been pulling ever since.

i don't concur with the idea of last evenings outage being a simple failure, i belive this was a well planned terror attack. i don't know how, or why they could've done it, but i do recall hearing of al qaeda plans for an attack on the power grid or water supply, so whatever happened happened for a reason. only time will divine what that reason is.

From what I've read in that article (I haven't actually finished it yet), it is very true what was written...The US government is not (& hasn't been for a number of generations) been operating within the terms of the Constitution.

To quote from the article:
"We frequently hear our nation referred to as a democracy, yet the word is not found in the constitution. Rather, we see in Article 1, Section 4:
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government,"
Also, by reading the Constitution itself, you'll find that *every one* of the highest offices in all three branches of the government require each winning candidate to swear (or affirm) an oath to "uphold & defend the Constitution" before they can assume position in the office...But by supporting a *Democracy* in any form, they break that vow. Therefore, by logical progression, every single politician who has served in the federal government since the first day they've been practicing a Democracy is guilty of breaking their vow of office & the entire system of the US federal government operates in a *completely Unconstitutional* manner!! In effect, this means that the entire US government itself is guilty of betraying the principles of this nation & all it stands for. Sounds like a whopper of a case for mass-treason to me! Just take a look at how the Constitution defines Treason...This country's been "attacked" by the current form of government socially & economically more than by force of arms, but the attacks have been occurring for generations & still continue.

And to quote here:
The foregoing statements (referring to the religious principles that guided the Founding Fathers to draft the American documents that established the government) attest to the principles which established our Constitutional Republic. Are the difficulties confronting America today the result of disregarding the wisdom and the warnings of our Founders?
In other words, the Founding Fathers of the US have *affirmed* that they were guided by the Christian Religion, and since they wre founding a *new* country, they had no desire (like the Church of England at that time) to dictate *how* an individual should worship & serve God...Only that the government that they founded was to adhere to those principles. The Constitution itself establishes a government by not only what it's allowed to do, but it also demands certain limitations on the behavior of that government. By looking at the Constitution & comparing it with the way the US government operates today, they've gone waaaaay beyond the limitations imposed upon them by the Constitution...And have been for generations.

And this:
"The Federal Reserve Act was passed on Dec. 23, 1913 (by a vote of 298 to 60 in the House of Representatives, and 43 to 25 in the Senate)."
The entire Federal Reserve system is not only Unconstitutional, but it uses *nothing* to back the value of the money in use today. They've even made it *illegal* for the American Public to *use* gold for any kind of monetary transactions, even though the economy is suppossed to use a gold-standard! The only real value (based upon the existance of some *real* object that contains some *real* inheirent value) of our current form of "money" (actually, it most closely belongs to the description of "script") belongs in the value of the paper used to print it, the cost of the inks used to mark the paper and the base value of the metals used in the coinage itself (and of course, the wages/salaries for the people who actually run the presses & mints & the cost of maintaining that machinery). For the cost of the paper to print a single bill of paper-money (which doesn't get any higher than a few *fractions* of a penny), they can print a bill of *any* denomination & not have anything of value to represents that bill!
The Constitution states that the "coining of money & the determination of its value" is firmly suppossed to be in the hands of Congress...However, the Federal Reserve is nothing more than a consortium of *privately owned* international banking institutions! Congress has nothing to do with our money...Because, according to the Constitution, the "money" in use today is *counterfeit*!!! The only reason that it's not "officially" recognized as being counterfeit is because the Federal Reserve system knows that it can't print "money" with the "$" sign in front the denomination...If they *did* print the dollar sign, tehy would be officially charged with counterfeiting...And they *know* this! Since the advent of "credit", there's even *less* value to our "money" than the cost of the printing/minting with the materials...Now the value of money is nothing but numbers in a computer with nothing more than the electrical impulses of the computer to back it up!

And here:
"His plan, and, to use his own words, "a conspiracy," would seek to achieve:
The establishment of a central bank;
A progressive graduated income tax; and
Control of both political parties in the U.S.
What was House's goal? "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx". House, who called himself the "unseen guardian angel" of the Federal Reserve Act, in concert with the Wall Street and European bankers, convinced President Wilson of the central bank concept."
As we see here, the Federal Reserve system took care of item number one on the list;
Even though the Constitution forbids the government from any sort of direct taxing of the individual citizen by any other means than on a basis of population, the establishment of Income Taxes (As instituted by a Presidential Emergency Act in response to the 1929 Stock Market Crash but never repealed after the emergency had passed) takes care of item number two;
The National Debt & the lack of value behind the Federal Reserve's "money" guarantees that the entire government will do whatever the banks say to do, if they wish to continue receiving (unconstitutional & valueless) funding by the banks.Have you ever noticed that it never matters which Party wins the elections, the citizens still wind up on the loosing end? Well, that takes care of number three on the list...

Originally posted by Zion Mainframe Like william said, the article is pretty dated, much has changed due to the war on terror, and the current reccesion.

Actually, from what I've seen, the war on terrorism & the recession do more to *confirm* what the article states rather than being "outdated". Even though the Iraqi appreciate the fact that we liberated them from Sodamn Insane, we're still there & mucking them up economically & socially rather than through force of arms, so they want us to get out. There's been little done in the way of rebuilding...Unless it had something to do with the oil-producing infrastructure.
Haven't you noticed how badly the US is slipping?...Everyone is in financial trouble *except those who engineered or took advantadge* of events over the past few years. The politicians in the government have been manipulated as much (if not more) than the American Public itself...Mainly because the government has already built up the infrastructure, organization & power to pull off all of these atrocities to citizens' rights & wellbeing.

The post by mikromarius (posted on 7-8-2003 at 09:21) is very true...The banks *know* that our "money" is mere script with no backing by anything of "real value" & take great pains to avoid official charges of counterfeiting to be brought to bear upon them. Since American Citizens had to turn in their own privately-owned gold (while those who dealt in bulk-amounts of gold merely shipped it to overseas banks to avoid the new law), any *real* financing only comes from the banks now...Not even the US government itself has been able to get out from under this economic conspiracy.

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
I have read it. It describes the mechanations between the secret societies and the US Gov. WE HAVE BEEN BETRAYED, OUR US GOV HAS BEEN OVERTHROWN!

This is why I would advocate a complete restructuring of the government (preferably by peaceful means) by The People...Our government *has* already been overthrown & our nation *has* been betrayed by banking consortiums! Our nation has to be put back into the hands of The People, but it first has to be taken away from the banks!

Originally posted by Seekerof
Joseph Goebbels once sayed:
"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from political, economic, and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State."

I think that the advent of the Internet being used by the public is where they screwed up the worst...Even though there's a lot of false data out here, the truth & the information *can* be found by anyone who has a computer & modem. These "shadow groups" havn't been able to exert as much oppressive control over the minds of the individual as much as they could with corporate media. Of course, you just *know* that they're planning *something* to correct this particular oversight...But the problem with a conspiratotial group working under such secrecy & having to exert their influence as indirectly as they do, it's going to take more *time* for them to clamp down on the internet. You could probably point to the Home Defense Act & its supplimental documentation (Dubbed "Patriot Act II") as a step in that direction...By being able to label *anyone* as a terrorist for any reason they can think of, they're attempting to threaten people into silence rather than risk arrest (& loss of *all* Rights) for merely speaking their minds.

quote]Originally posted by Toltec The power elite have a leader, from what I understand he is not a banker, but rather and intellectual. A person with a very high IQ who is very well informed and also very well connected with respect to every aspect of American life.
...Any thoughts?...
Does the term "Anti-Christ" mean anything to you?

Originally posted by Gazrok It's got some great basic insights, but it also connects some dots that don't really connect. I guess the biggest problem I always have about a grand conspiracy of the NWO, is:
Why seek the power that you already have?
These connections, if truly valid...would mean that they already have this control...

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Even if somebody has all the power & control in the world, what's the next step in their "goal ladder"?...Find a way to get more power & control of course. People with *too much* get stuck in a rut; Once they've acheived their goals of absolute power, they have to find a new goal but the aquisition of power is the only thing they know how to do...So they keep doing what they know best. They're stuck in a self-defeating circle.
Well, since "the powers that be" still don't have *absolute* control yet (At least my mind is free, even if they've already got control of my wallet), another axiom comes into play: "Petty power corrupts out of all porportion to actual power."

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Even if somebody has all the power & control in the world, what's the next step in their "goal ladder"?...Find a way to get more power & control of course. People with *too much* get stuck in a rut; Once they've acheived their goals of absolute power, they have to find a new goal but the aquisition of power is the only thing they know how to do...So they keep doing what they know best. They're stuck in a self-defeating circle.
Well, since "the powers that be" still don't have *absolute* control yet (At least my mind is free, even if they've already got control of my wallet), another axiom comes into play: "Petty power corrupts out of all porportion to actual power."

One question MD, do you really believe, that after all this planning for centuries, acts, deads, lies, corruption, irony, all that, you really think that if they achieve their goal of absolute control all over the globe, they will look for another goal? No way, i totally disagree, their only goal will be to keep the control over the population.
So what happens after unity, of countries, coin, laws, everything put into One New World Order, are "they" going to make another order after the final one?

I still believe that they won�t look for anything else than get the Total Control, and keep it for ever and ever...