JFK

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Frame 313 the most important shot impacts

Frame 332 we can just spot our MIB, here he comes he's spotted something and he's after it

Frame 333 he's clearly visable now, whatever it is, it's in his sights.

Frame 343 he mounts the vehicle

Frame 346 he's making a lunge for something, Jacqueline seems to have spotted he's up to something

Frame 350 disaster, he loses his footing, he missed with his first lunge, but despite her husband having just been murdered, hes got Jacquelines attention

Frame 360 Driver is begining to speed up, maybe Jacqueline now sees what he is after

Frame 365 Here she comes

Frame 372 These two are in a desperate attempt to retrieve something, but what?

Frame 379 I think she is picking it up, whatever it is

Frame 384 Her arm is withdrawn, maybe she got it, but the MIB guy has finally got a foothold

Frame 390 The guy grabs her arm

Frame 393 She's attempting to retreat back into the car

Frame 419 Looks like shes back in her seat, but this guy is gonna ride it out

Frame 458 Heres the guy as he disappears under the bridge


So what was this guy after, did Jacqueline get it and what happened fter that. Were they just chasing a skull fragment is that all?
Im far from an expert on this, i wasnt even born when it happened so can someone explain what it was they were after?
Did Jacqueline get it? What happend after that?

[edit on 30-4-2005 by AdamJ]

ed "JKF" to read "JFK"

[edit on 30-4-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

I'm eating a sandwich right now so I hope you will forgive me for lnot ooking at the frames, I've seen them before anyway. From what I recall the secret service guy is trying to get to Jackie to push her down and protect her and the President. The official story is she was getting a skull fragment, which she might have been. I always thought she was instinctively trying to get out of that car once she realized her husband was mortally wounded and that would not have been a hard judgement call on her part since there is blood and brain matter everywheres including all over her. There is not many people who would not have tried to get out of that car considering the circumstances.

What are all those weird images around the car and off to the side, is it smoke from the car or what, for the most part the film is fairly clear but then there are all these other weird images, am I the only one seeing those?

well i hear what you are saying but im suggesting that might not be true.

Originally posted by goose
"From what I recall the secret service guy is trying to get to Jackie to push her down and protect her and the President. "

Its a bit late to protect the president, but anyway, to get to Jackie to 'push her down???'
Im not sure i agree, look at the frames again, this guy appears (332) only after the head shot bullet has been fired, and in frame 346 shows what looks like him attempting to grab something.
He misses and cant get a foothold to grab it again before Jackie gets to it.

Originally posted by goose
I always thought she was instinctively trying to get out of that car once she realized her husband was mortally wounded

You see she just sits their for a few seconds, she is not trying to get out the car, then she leans over to pick up what that MIB guy was trying to get, once she gets it she sits back down again. Watch it closely.

Originally posted by goose
There is not many people who would not have tried to get out of that car considering the circumstances.

Maybe but you can see it doesnt explain why she would sit back down again. I Dont believe she was trying to get out of the car.


Dont know what their weird clips/crops/splices whatever they are called are either. You mean these little clips off the main screen that are there all the way through?

did they ever find the bullets that hit him .In clip 333 u can see the bullet exit from the top right of his skull .Maybe its still in the park behind them

Who in the hell is JKF? Can people please proofread what they type, at least as thread titles?

I will ask again does anyone have info on the bullet recoverd .I'm interested in the head shot fragment .As seen in #333(photo)

Here is a website with links to just about everything on the Kennedy assisination mcadams.posc.mu.edu... You might be able to find the info you are looking for there, the link below is from the above website.
The only bullet I recall hearing about is the pristine bullet found lying on the stretcher. I don't know how the bullet could have stayed that pristine but I am definitely no expert on bullets or guns. I am so inept with guns that I loaded my hubby's rifle once thinking there was an intruder, after searching the house and finding no one I decided I should unload the gun to keep my children from perhaps getting to a loaded gun in the morning. I could not get it to unload so I shot the couch (I never like that darn couch anyway lol). At the moment I shot the couch whoever I heard earlier nearly broke their neck getting off of the backporch in the dark. Anyway the bullet fell under the couch and it certainly was not in pristine shape after going through that little bit of foam rubber and cloth. Hope the website helps answers your questions.
mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
A Pristine Bullet?
To the right you will see the "magic bullet" picture shown in all the conspiracy books. CE 399 is the bullet viewed end-on. This is the picture the conspiracy books won't show you. See for yourself whether this bullet is really "pristine

Um...the back of the car is empty. The only thing he's "lunging" for is something to keep him on the car. Unless there's a random, black, flat object on the trunk of the car that somehow stayed on, and that we can't see.

Jackie looks like she's just trying to get out of the car, but when the driver speeds up she decides to stay in.

Sounds like you're trying to find something in nothing.

[edit on 5-3-2005 by Esoterica]

Jackie's official story (given to the Warren Commission) was that she had "no memory" of getting out of the car and onto the trunk. She did suggest that she was reaching for a large fragment of skull and brain matter. Her SS agent (who pushed her back into the car) thinks she was reaching for the skull fragment as well. However, it's entirely possible that two things were going on: she was reaching for the skull fragment AND, in a true flight or fight response, she was trying to get out of the car. Later, a large skull fragment was found in the street...which buttresses the idea that she was reaching for that..at least that was part of her motivation.
joey

It's just my opinion, but how does someone who's just been shot at have the wherewithall to go and retrieve part of her husband's melon?? The Secret Service agent was trying to get to her and she was trying to get to him. The driver was most definitely in on it and someone gave him the order to speed up and get the hell out of dodge, and he did. She acted as anyone would have acted in that same scenario.

Peace

Originally posted by Dr Love
It's just my opinion, but how does someone who's just been shot at have the wherewithall to go and retrieve part of her husband's melon??

instincts don't always make sense 30 years later.

"The Secret Service agent was trying to get to her and she was trying to get to him. The driver was most definitely in on it and someone gave him the order to speed up and get the hell out of dodge, and he did. "

do you think the training for the driver went something like this "you hear gunshots. Slow down and stop" ummmm..... no

//ed to clarify reply from quotes//

[edit on 17-5-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

jackie getts to the back because she freaks out and tries to give the officer the parts of her husbans brain. Dont ask me why she just does. You cant really tell because of the stupid ass sign (which today for some reason the sign is gone) we miss the first shoot which you can tell because the as soon as JFK lifts his arm the govener gets hit (the bullet tumbles out of JFKs neck and hits the govener) then the fatial shoot. Because if that sign was not there we wouldnt have this discution but overall the jfk thing is confusing the hell out of me.

I found out that she retrieved a piece of his brain, and held onto it, giving it someone later asking "if it would help?"

Help in what? Watching this clip only annoys me more and more as it proves the fatal shot came from the front and not from the depository which was behind.

I found out that she retrieved a piece of his brain, and held onto it, giving it someone later asking "if it would help?"

She did get on the back of the car to retrieve a piece of his skull. Also, after years of research...it definitely appears that the driver purposely drove extremely slow through the plaza as if knowing the president was going to be shot at and when he felt the president was finished, THEN he sped up. You'd think he would have sped up after the first shot, but he waited until the final head shot before he took off. Something fishy there for sure.

History Channel in Europe this week showed a documentary which you will all no doubt already have seen telling the story of LHO's scientist girlfriend and the plot to kill Castro with a lethal cancer, in which Oswald and others were supposedly working for the US Governement clandestinely..

There were so many (to me) new threads which had apparently not been investigated officially previously. One very interesting matter was her recalling being introduced to someone whom she later realised to be Jack Ruby, although she knew him by a different name. He told her directly that he knew Oswald very well and had done so since Oswald had been a child.

There is clearly a great deal being concealed.

My own theory is that somebody in the not too distant future will come forward, perhaps with a deathbed confession, and spill the beans on the whole story. Whatever is said in the future though would probably be almost impossible to corroborate with the apparent destruction of so much vital evidence.

[edit on 23-12-2005 by Englishman_in_Spain]

One very interesting matter was her recalling being introduced to someone whom she later realised to be Jack Ruby, although she knew him by a different name. He told her directly that he knew Oswald very well and had done so since Oswald had been a child.

Jack Ruby and Oswald had offices in the same building in New Orleans. It was on a corner and had an address for both streets even though it was one building. Ruby had an office at one address and Oswald the other. It was a CIA owned property. No coincidence here!

[edit on 24-12-2005 by Excitable_Boy]

Excitable, I don't think that was Jack Ruby, but Guy Bannister who had an office on the New Orleans corner.
I don't remember Ruby having a New Orleans connection, but I could be wrong.

There's video from the begining of the trip where everyone is getting ready to start the parade.

Just as JFKs car pulls out and starts to follow, both secret service guys that were standing on the back, holding on to the silver railing designed for that purpose, are pulled off the car and jestured to stay off.

Then as the car is going down the road, you see the crowd 5 - 10 people deep all along the street, a solid mass of people. You see open windows in the buildings which the car passes by, these windows are ment to be shut. An open window is considered a security risk and would be promptly closed, this is a Secret Service standard in providing security for a President in crowded areas.

As the car turns the bend it drives into an open clearing where the people are absent apart from a few men walking around. They were telling people to move if they tried to congregate there as witnesses have stated.

This is when Kennedy is shot first. The car slows down. He's shot again and the car takes off.

There is quiet a bit of video of the parade which puts the whole pre-planned assassination into perspective. All that's ever shown anymore is the same clip of him being shot (which still has it's own incriminating evidence against the 'magic bullet').

The secret service were not allowed to follow standard procedure for providing security to the President. I always wonder if Kennedy was ever suspicious and concerned during that last trip, did he know something was up? He was placed in the open on his own with very high powers conspiring against him, he was led into a trap.

There's quite a bit of film in this documentary that is rarely seen, it shows some really interesting footage of Secret Service actions on the day. It would seem that even some Secret Service got blindsided on the day:
mindtoysrus.com...





[edit on 26-12-2005 by TheShroudOfMemphis]