It appears the AMOC tipping point has happened.

At a time when the Nordic countries are attending a meeting in Iceland discussing the implications of the AMOC shutdown. The papers discussed admit they do not know if a drop of 1.2 or 2.5 degrees c will be the temps. required to cause the domino effect caused by the AMOC shutdown. But the consequences are well known , with ice sheets possibly reaching the top of Scotland. Drought occurring as the rain bands move south along with the global food production ,which will have to follow. IE the likes of Spain are now suffering a great drought along with portions of North America, with floods occurring in the Sahara Desert. This is happening now not in some future date, so have the scientist discussing an event which is happening in real time, as the Greenland cold blob seems to be expanding?
If this effect is happening now then are we not one cold winter away from an Albedo effect which will trigger a cascade of events. Can we now see this in the geological political events as , the Countries that will be most effected jockey for influence in countries further south?

Hard to understand why a 1 degree temp difference is a problem. Temp fluctuations are much more than 1 or 2 degrees from day to night and from season to season. 😀

a reply to: annonentity

I found the letter: Open Letter by Climate Scientists to the Nordic Council of Ministers it's pdf.

The lead Oceanographer, Stefan Rahmstorf, also wrote an article for the Guardian, We don’t know where the tipping point is

a reply to: FullHeathen

The tipping point is when it happens. The question being has it happened or at least has started to happen slowly at first and then suddenly like so many things.

a reply to: annonentity

It may have happened, but probably not.
From Stefan Rahmstorf's article:

What is the range of forecasts?

Until a few years ago, the general thinking in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was that the probability of crossing the tipping point this century was less than 10%. Since then, there have been a number of studies suggesting a collapse would probably be triggered this century, possibly in the next few decades. So my risk assessment has really changed. I am now very concerned that we may push Amoc over this tipping point in the next decades. If you ask me my gut feeling, I would say the risk that we cross the tipping point this century is about 50/50.

Is there any possibility it has already happened?

I wouldn’t rule it out completely, because it would be very hard to tell from observations. Nothing dramatic happens at the tipping point. That just means Amoc is then doomed and it will slowly die, but that process could take 50 to 100 years. Because the Amoc is already weakening we can’t be entirely sure whether we already passed a tipping point, but I would say this is most likely not the case, so it is not too late to prevent this.

a reply to: FullHeathen

Interesting....past tipping points have been reached it is almost a cyclical event , but in the past no human activity could have helped it along unless there was a flurry of campfires.

In Bible prophecy the earth is the stable element of the political system of things, and the sea represents the radical unstable elements of humanity.

But what if Jesus' prophecy concerning after the great tribulation is not just symbolic but literal when he says:

"Also, there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation. People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken."-Luke 21:25-26.

On a related note I found the front page article on the JW.ORG website the past few days alarming:

KEEP ON THE WATCH!
Wildlife Declines 73% in 50 Years—⁠What Does the Bible Say?

On October 9, 2024, the World Wildlife Fund released a sobering report about the effect of human activity on wildlife. It revealed that “over the past 50 years (1970-2020), the average size of monitored wildlife populations has shrunk by 73%.” The report warned: “It is no exaggeration to say that what happens in the next five years will determine the future of life on Earth.”

Source

But, but, Global warming? Oh, I mean global cooling. Oh silly me it's now climate change. Please ask these so called experts to get together with all the other so called experts because these experts are predicting an ice cap reaching as far South as Scotland, bbuuuttt, the other experts are saying/predicting that the Arctic ice cap is shrinking and the North West passage will soon be ice free. Now they can't be both right.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Hard to understand why a 1 degree temp difference is a problem. Temp fluctuations are much more than 1 or 2 degrees from day to night and from season to season. 😀

I believe the variations you refer to are localized. The issue is when it's a global drop rather than local fluctuations.

From the MET Office:
www.metoffice.gov.uk...

Note this particular sentence:

Oceanographers have been measuring the AMOC continuously since 2004. The measurements have shown that the AMOC varies from year to year, and it is likely that these variations have an impact on the weather in the UK. However it is too early to say for sure whether there are any long term trends. Before 2004 the AMOC was only measured a few times,

So we only have data since 2004, and the year to year variations are large. To pretend that such a short series is in any way significant is not only unscientific but fraudulent.

Not a very long data series to make such a proclamation. It's has been both colder and warmer in the past and yet the AMOC is still churning away, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, but still there.

Man's impact on the Earth and it's climate is about the same as a gnat on your windshield at 70mph.

Find the trend:

a reply to: randomuser2034

That IS scary.

a reply to: crayzeed

I am beginning to think it's becoming obvious these experts have no clue what's really going on or what might actually happen.

The good news is humans will just adapt, mutate if necessary. The wheel in the sky keeps on turning.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Thats if the government lets the people adapt. If you can get fined for using a fire to keep warm in the UK adaption seems to be a problem.

Humans do not make Climate Change. Humans are a PRODUCT OF Climate Change over billions of years.

-Confucius circa 500BC

It hasn't happened yet (and maybe it won't)

en.vedur.is...

(always check the source - NOT the tabloid headlines)

The prediction is that it may happen before the end of this century. None of us will be around to see the consequences. Which is why no-one will do anything to prevent it.

Mind, it won't cause the sort of catastrophic cooling that some suggest (forget The Day After Tomorrow) especially given how much warmer it's getting anyway. The real impacts will be on changes in global weather patterns and the consequences for farming in Africa and Asia etc.