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originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: KnowItAllKnowNothin
In that case, may I point out some strings (philosophies and myths) that are still holding you captive to the one "who is misleading the entire inhabited earth" (Rev. 12:9)?
Pay close attention to the bolded part and the remark I added there. ...
An Assault on Truth
Pontius Pilate was hardly the first person to question the idea of absolute truth. Some ancient Greek philosophers made the teaching of such doubts virtually their life’s work! Five centuries before Pilate, Parmenides (who has been considered the father of European metaphysics) held that real knowledge was unattainable. Democritus, hailed as “the greatest of ancient philosophers,” asserted: “Truth is buried deep. . . . We know nothing for certain.” Perhaps the most revered of them all, Socrates, said that all that he really knew was that he knew nothing. [whereislogic: nonsense, utter contradictory nonsense, and trying to use that false admission (a lie) to promote himself as supposedly being humble, which he was not, false modesty, just trying to make himself look better for his audience, marketing himself. And he knows it, he also knows he's full of crap, so that's 2 more things he knows that he's lying about here.]
This assault on the idea that truth can be known
has continued down to our day. Some philosophers, for instance, say that since knowledge reaches us through our senses, which can be deceived, no knowledge is verifiably true. French philosopher and mathematician René Descartes decided to examine all the things he thought he knew for certain. He discarded all but one truth that he deemed incontrovertible: “Cogito ergo sum,” or, “I think, therefore I am.”
A Culture of Relativism
Relativism is not limited to philosophers. It is taught by religious leaders, indoctrinated in schools, and spread by the media. Episcopal bishop John S. Spong said a few years ago: “We must . . . move from thinking we have the truth and others must come to our point of view to the realization that ultimate truth is beyond the grasp of all of us.” Spong’s relativism, like that of so many clergymen today, is quick to drop the Bible’s moral teachings in favor of a philosophy of “to each his own.” ...
I'm sorry, I have to cut it off because it's getting too much and I don't want to get in trouble. But a crucial 3 paragraphs are coming up. Just like the next page:
Why Search for Truth?
originally posted by: whereislogic
originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: TinfoilTophat
... Are you gonna wait for the election interference theory to be ridiculed and believe it because they say so.
I believe CNN's choice of programming in the lead up to the 2016 election got Trump elected as president, and they did it on purpose (spending way more airtime on Trump than Clinton; and they're doing it again). To facilitate increased profits for these types (and on their behalf):
originally posted by: KnowItAllKnowNothin
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How do you know what was in Socrates' mind and soul ?
How can you tell the difference between your own opinion, belief, and projection : as to his reality ?
What was he marketing ?
How could you know he's full of crap ?
How do you know it's not just another story ?
Until the late 19th or early 20th century, scientists were called "natural philosophers" or "men of science".
English philosopher and historian of science William Whewell coined the term scientist in 1833,...
Whewell wrote of "an increasing proclivity of separation and dismemberment" in the sciences; while highly specific terms proliferated—chemist, mathematician, naturalist—the broad term "philosopher" was no longer satisfactory to group together those who pursued science, without the caveats of "natural" or "experimental" philosopher.
originally posted by: KnowItAllKnowNothin
a reply to: whereislogic
So then : how to respond ?
You are right : I'm a liar and deceiver.
If I lie to myself, and deceive myself : how could I be relied upon in a forum to write anything remotely true ?
So please never trust anything written by me.
Now I may be lying about this, and trying to market myself, to aggrandize myself somehow : but I have made the choice not to be argumentative with you.
originally posted by: KnowItAllKnowNothin
...
As far as I can see, you pointed mostly to 4 potential strings, and they were mostly relative to ideas that I may have expressed here, over the years.
[ Keeping notes are we ? ]
" All I know : is that I know nothing ", sensory interpretations of the material world, the Cogito, and Relativism.
Is that about right ?
I could possibly be open to both agreeing, and disagreeing with those ideas, from different angles.
But I'm never 100% sure about anything.
Of course, some might argue that much of this relativism represents open-mindedness and therefore has a positive impact on human society. Does it really, though? And what about its impact on you? Do you believe that truth is relative or nonexistent? If so, searching for it may strike you as a waste of time. Such an outlook will affect your future.
Why Search for Truth?
MANY religious organizations claim to have the truth, and they offer it eagerly to others. However, between them they offer a dizzying profusion of “truths.” Is this just another evidence that all truths are relative, that there are no absolute truths? No.
In his book The Art of Thinking, Professor V. R. Ruggiero expresses his surprise that even intelligent people sometimes say that truth is relative. He reasons: “If everyone makes his own truth, then no person’s idea can be better than another’s. All must be equal. And if all ideas are equal, what is the point in researching any subject? Why dig in the ground for answers to archeological questions? Why probe the causes of tension in the Middle East? Why search for a cancer cure? Why explore the galaxy? These activities make sense only if some answers are better than others, if truth is something separate from, and unaffected by, individual perspectives.”
In fact, no one really believes that there is no truth. When it comes to physical realities, such as medicine, mathematics, or the laws of physics, even the staunchest relativist will believe that some things are true. Who of us would dare to ride in an airplane if we did not think that the laws of aerodynamics were absolute truths? Verifiable truths do exist; they surround us, and we stake our lives on them.