Election fatigue

originally posted by: pianopraze
I’ve got election fatigue.

Am I only one that just can’t wait for this election to be over?

I don’t like any of the candidates, don’t even want to vote.

Mostly libertarian, a little conservative… none of them -even far left libertarian candidate- represent me.

Just so exhausted.

^^ Pretty much me.

I am so sick of the commercials on TV.

They ALL LIE. LIES LIES LIES.

And people lap it up. Cheering their team. UGH.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: pianopraze
I’ve got election fatigue.

Am I only one that just can’t wait for this election to be over?

I don’t like any of the candidates, don’t even want to vote.

Mostly libertarian, a little conservative… none of them -even far left libertarian candidate- represent me.

Just so exhausted.

^^ Pretty much me.

I am so sick of the commercials on TV.

They ALL LIE. LIES LIES LIES.

And people lap it up. Cheering their team. UGH.

The teams are scaring me.

They are getting so hardened.

So few of us in between saying calm it down… it was never this bad in 70-2000’s.. last 10-20 years it’s getting very hardenened.

Who's looking forward to the "purge"?

a reply to: nugget1

Well, I'm in SC; if anyone thinks SC is going to anyone but Trump, I've got a bridge to sell them. I would have voted that way anyway, but my one vote isn't going to be the one he loses by, he's going to carry the state and it won't even be close.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: putnam6

Both parties play the fear-mongering BS to the hilt because it hits home with many of the hyper-anxious and nervous younger generation.

I wish I could agree with you, but I see the older generations engaging in the same rhetoric. I think it coincides with the advent of 24 hour new channels, and then the vast expanse of internet news and social media.

When they started to run news 24/7 after 9/11, it became hard to fill all the slots. They had to grasp at straws and pull the viewer in. Cable news has kind of died off, but the ever competitive internet scene has found ways to find the pain points for voters and really dig in.

I am in Appalachia, but luckily everything we got was spread out over weeks and manageable. Absolutely devastating to areas just a few hours from me though. I’ve been to many of those places and it’s surreal to see the images.

I’ve experienced some of that to far lesser degrees and still can’t imagine.

Living in a valley is a different ball game with flooding. You can get hit, and the storm can pass and the sun comes out. You can think that you squeaked away. But what a lot of people don’t think about is the worst part is usually a few hours after when the runoff from the mountains comes down stream.

Glad you are okay, It is such a beautiful area, and full of mostly wonderful honest hard-working people

but...

The difference is in the numbers, how loud the younger generations' volume is, how much more responsive MSM and how they are distributed in each state. Sure older people bitch and moan too, but there is an art of repetitiveness to social media the younger generation has and there are a lot more of them as the chart below shows. Not to mention our only Arizona and Florida seem to have "boomer" numbers approaching the 18-45 demographic.

Anecdotally was reading an article about Trump visiting hard-hit Valdosta Ga on X and the scorn and anger were off the charts. Part of me gets it, it's a political stunt somewhat, but the more rational part of me thinks it probably will bring more help to the local situation and may help with donations etc.

Im in Georgia and know Valdosta well, and coverage has been highlighting Western North Carolina so much these other places can get lost in the shuffle, Augusta was hard hit too. The point is that any attention is good in this situation absolutely we need to help Western NC, Tennessee, etc. but Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina were hard hit too.

I follow the demographics by state it was semi-important in our business, it's dangerously myopic to get pissy about political stunts. Both sides Harris Walz Trump Vance need to show up it definitely helps mobilize rescue and recovery efforts EVERYWHERE

I know Valdosta and South Georgia will take any help it can get look at how many counties are still 100% without power

a reply to: putnam6

Certainly can see how the younger generation gets more cultural buzz since they’re engaging online more. That can probably sway the broader discussions. Older people tend to actually go out to vote more (per capita), but as you pointed out that is waning along with the older generations.

I’m all for as much exposure on these communities as we can get. At least with coastal disasters like this, there’s usually not a shortage of boats and water to traverse. In the mountains, if your bridges or roads get washed out it’s an absolute game changer.

It’s rare we see something like this happen at scale on the interior, and the hollers bring their own unique challenges.

The election just seems like another chapter in what has been a totally exchausting decade of US Politics.
The constant gotcha's and propaganda, smearing, claims and counter claims are quite ridiculous. It never ends.
Once the election is done, it's not stopping.

Maybe it's just my experience, but I never recall politics being so invasive into every part of life until the US election of 2016 and Brexit here in the UK.

a reply to: UKTruth

I think you’re right. The Clinton - Bush - Perot debates were intellectually stimulating. The Obama McCaine/Romney debates were at least civil.

I don’t mind some zingers and gotchya here and there. I don’t think policy topics should be “off limits”.

But my problem with the current climate is it’s absolutely void of substance. The politicians don’t even attempt to come off as sincere. We know their campaigning platform is in complete contradiction from their policy when they held office.

But ultimately, the only way it changes is if people stop voting for candidates who engage in it (excessively), and swarm the clickbait punditry.

I’d be willing to guess opinion pieces get far more traffic than boring articles. People’s perception of news has become opinion based. It’s like the horseshoe theory where we all got so fed up with MSM interjecting their opinion, we created alternatives that are now just that.

Joe Rogan is a form of MSM now, he has more reach than most networks. I wouldn’t classify him as a journalist though. And that’s not a knock against him, because I think generally he has good intent. Just a discussion on how things have changed.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I’m done. If they have a D or R next to their name they won’t get my vote. I’ll just abstain from voting.

Exceptions are very short list. Just Libertarians running as something else like Thomas Massie or Vivek.

originally posted by: pianopraze
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I’m done. If they have a D or R next to their name they won’t get my vote. I’ll just abstain from voting.

Exceptions are very short list. Just Libertarians running as something else like Thomas Massie or Vivek.

Yeah but look at Chase Oliver.

When I want a Libertarian, I expect someone like Ron Paul.

This guy is a one trick pony LGBTQ activist.

He couldn't run the Oval Office .... not a chance.

a reply to: pianopraze

Yea, it’s unfortunate that they flourish in today’s environment where everyone has access to all the information.

I’ll patiently wait while America either figures it out or doesn’t.

Everyone can do what they want, and I’ll swing trade on the opportunities so I don’t hemorrhage losses to inflation.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: pianopraze
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I’m done. If they have a D or R next to their name they won’t get my vote. I’ll just abstain from voting.

Exceptions are very short list. Just Libertarians running as something else like Thomas Massie or Vivek.

Yeah but look at Chase Oliver.

When I want a Libertarian, I expect someone like Ron Paul.

This guy is a one trick pony LGBTQ activist.

He couldn't run the Oval Office .... not a chance.

I have a whole thread on that.

I almost quit the libertarian party until many of the libertarian state parties rose up in protest against Chase Oliver.

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: nugget1

Well, I'm in SC; if anyone thinks SC is going to anyone but Trump, I've got a bridge to sell them. I would have voted that way anyway, but my one vote isn't going to be the one he loses by, he's going to carry the state and it won't even be close.

I have liberal members of our family in Greeneville and I hope you are right!

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: putnam6

Certainly can see how the younger generation gets more cultural buzz since they’re engaging online more. That can probably sway the broader discussions. Older people tend to actually go out to vote more (per capita), but as you pointed out that is waning along with the older generations.

I’m all for as much exposure on these communities as we can get. At least with coastal disasters like this, there’s usually not a shortage of boats and water to traverse. In the mountains, if your bridges or roads get washed out it’s an absolute game changer.

It’s rare we see something like this happen at scale on the interior, and the hollers bring their own unique challenges.

My area near the Smokies was spared and we thought we were going to get it bad too. Now it is time to donate folks! We are recommending folks send money to Samaritans Purse that is the Billy Graham and Son Franklin's org that is also located in North Carolina. The SP uses all the funds for the relief effort.

CS is right those Hollers are a world of their own. A lot of them are self sufficient enough to have chickens and gardens so I suspect they can feed themselves better than those folks in Asheville or Boone.


Sorry to hear about Georgia not getting any attention for the same storm damage.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: UKTruth

I think you’re right. The Clinton - Bush - Perot debates were intellectually stimulating. The Obama McCaine/Romney debates were at least civil.

I don’t mind some zingers and gotchya here and there. I don’t think policy topics should be “off limits”.

But my problem with the current climate is it’s absolutely void of substance. The politicians don’t even attempt to come off as sincere. We know their campaigning platform is in complete contradiction from their policy when they held office.

But ultimately, the only way it changes is if people stop voting for candidates who engage in it (excessively), and swarm the clickbait punditry.

I’d be willing to guess opinion pieces get far more traffic than boring articles. People’s perception of news has become opinion based. It’s like the horseshoe theory where we all got so fed up with MSM interjecting their opinion, we created alternatives that are now just that.

Joe Rogan is a form of MSM now, he has more reach than most networks. I wouldn’t classify him as a journalist though. And that’s not a knock against him, because I think generally he has good intent. Just a discussion on how things have changed.

I think social media plays a big part.
It's drive by politics and a vehicle where little substantive discussion takes place.
I agree that the leaders in the space driving long format discussion, like video's / podcasts is where the game is now played and it's becoming (or has become) just as partisan.

I don't think the answer is not to vote, however.
Failure to vote is the biggest danger to citizens.
In the UK that is how we ended up with Starmer.

Nearly a million less people voted for Labour than did when they got smashed in the last election - and now they have a super majority.. .because people stayed at home.

The people in my country will feel the pain of that for 5 years at least.

Part of the problem I think is where 2 parties swap power decade after decade and new parties are frozen out by media and/ or election laws. First past the post systems facilitate that.

I used to think that multiple parties, with a few having to come together to form coalitions with no dominant party, was a problem in terms of getting things done, but now i am not so sure. Truth is there is not much to be done. Civilisation has evolved - or at least had - where administration and govt should have been about maintaining, not radical change. Unfortunately, politicians seem to need to run on unnecessary social fads these days and society is shifting not forward, but backward, because of it.
Looking back at the history of Western civilisation, it's been a long time since the Govt served the people as opposed to the people serving the Govt.

originally posted by: pianopraze
I’ve got election fatigue.
Am I only one that just can’t wait for this election to be over?
I don’t like any of the candidates, don’t even want to vote.
Mostly libertarian, a little conservative… none of them -even far left libertarian candidate- represent me.
Just so exhausted.

I get it. I really do.

I've been calling it Politics Overflow. But Election Fatigue tracks.

Just too much crap.

And the news just makes it worse. Chicago news is bad enough with the crime and the shooting every day, then adding in the Political crap makes my head hurt some days.

a reply to: pianopraze

I too feel this.

Or rather, I feel partisan-statements-fatigue

I blame the echo chamber that is social media, that I cannot escape.

I try my best to keep my social media feeds diverse, but slowly and creepingly they have all become victims of the algorithms.

My streams are now completely taken over by videos that are not necessarily extremely right wing, but are extremely biased to the point where they are uninformative.

I have lost count of the number of times "bombshells" have dropped, the Harris campaign had been "over", and the electoral maps has shoen "shocking" wins for Trump.

It's not that wat my feeds are showing my is downright untrue, it's just so biased that they are essentially preaching to the choir instead of dealing with whatever are relevant to independents.

And they are (not) doing so whilst joining the left in their holier-than-thou attitude.

It's nauseating, boring, counterproductive and by now I just want it to be over.

I suppose left leaning people experience the same.