J6 order against Trump Vacated

a reply to: Vermilion

She is tasked with determining if Trump using his campaign/outside counsel to conspire a slate of false electors was private acts or official acts that have immunity. Per Scotus. You may feel his campaign for Presidency is part of official duties as the President. Others may feel that his campaign is not officially a duty of the office of President. Both sides will present their arguments and the judge will rule.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Vermilion

She is tasked with determining if Trump using his campaign/outside counsel to conspire a slate of false electors was private acts or official acts that have immunity. Per Scotus. You may feel his campaign for Presidency is part of official duties as the President. Others may feel that his campaign is not officially a duty of the President. Both sides will present their arguments.

Trump’s conversations with anybody while he is president are privileged, confidential, and immune unless Trump says they are not.
Nobody can question intent, which is what you are doing.
They, and you, don’t know what his intent was, nor can it be questioned.
The president has that power, right, and immunity as all the presidents before and after Trump.
The sooner you get it through your head the better. It’ll save you grief later.

Her job is to apply the immunity, which she had t even attempted to do before when she should have.
She’s a disgrace.
SCOTUS slapped her hard.

a reply to: Vermilion

"The indictment's allegations that Trump attempted to pressure the Vice President to take particular acts in connection with his role at the certification proceeding thus involve official conduct, and Trump is at least presumptively immune from prosecution for such conduct," Roberts wrote.

"The question then becomes whether that presumption of immunity is rebutted under the circumstances," he added.

Roberts acknowledged the broad range of other conduct in Trump's indictment, including false claims of voter fraud, the alleged fake elector scheme, and his actions on Jan. 6.

The court asked the lower district court to determine whether these actions —which involved state governments, private actors and the public — were taken in an official or unofficial capacity.

"Determining whose characterization may be correct, and with respect to which conduct, requires a fact-specific analysis of the indictment's extensive and interrelated allegations," Roberts wrote.

Again, Judge Chutkin will hear these arguments. He has no blanket immunity.

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Somehow, I fail to see this.

I don't think the judicial system can dictate what is or isn't presidential actions when it comes to the President.


Only Congress can determine what are and aren't official acts.

a reply to: RickinVa

That's the decision of Scotus. Trump wanted them to make a determination. They did.

a reply to: RickinVa

They'll have to provide evidence without assuming any intent.

Certainly have their work cut out for them....

originally posted by: wAnchorofCarp
a reply to: RickinVa

They'll have to provide evidence without assuming any intent.

Certainly have their work cut out for them....

This^^

They can’t assume intent, nor question it.
President has immunity.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Vermilion

"The indictment's allegations that Trump attempted to pressure the Vice President to take particular acts in connection with his role at the certification proceeding thus involve official conduct, and Trump is at least presumptively immune from prosecution for such conduct," Roberts wrote.

"The question then becomes whether that presumption of immunity is rebutted under the circumstances," he added.

Roberts acknowledged the broad range of other conduct in Trump's indictment, including false claims of voter fraud, the alleged fake elector scheme, and his actions on Jan. 6.

The court asked the lower district court to determine whether these actions —which involved state governments, private actors and the public — were taken in an official or unofficial capacity.

"Determining whose characterization may be correct, and with respect to which conduct, requires a fact-specific analysis of the indictment's extensive and interrelated allegations," Roberts wrote.

Again, Judge Chutkin will hear these arguments. He has no blanket immunity.

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Excellent! Before this Presidential Immunity subject was discussed, President Trump had filed court documents notifying the judge that classified documents demonstrating Joe Biden was CHEATED INTO OFFICE, would be presented at the trial.

Maybe we're approaching that point where most Americans will be able to see evidence that supports what the majority now suspect....that FRAUD enabled Joe Biden to beat President Trump in November 2020.