Federal parks officials barring American Flags in National Park Memorial weekend

a reply to: Irishhaf

So we should believe some anonymous person who heard from a friend, over the actual agency that says they never said any such thing? And no one has found any such instruction in real life, written or recorded.

Yeah, no thanks. Not gonna go with the rando.

a reply to: Mahogani

LOL so you trust the federal govt now, ok you do you boo.

I have seen all to often some anonymous paper pusher tried to flex and then everyone pretends it didnt happen because it looks bad in an ELECTION year.

100% of the time that back peddle never gets published if its not 6 months to election day.

Only in the US under BinBiden.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
... What has happened to us as a country? TPTB don’t even want us to show our patriotism to our country anymore.

Lol, I don't think 1 employee of the NPS represents TPTB. Promoting patriotism is still the #1 tool for getting people to worship the state and its rulers, left or right (and to advance the interests of the so-called "military industrial complex" that determins their decisions, policies and expenditures). Back in 1946, British historian Arnold Toynbee wrote: “Patriotism . . . has very largely superseded Christianity as the religion of the Western World.”

Since 1914, two world wars and over a hundred smaller conflicts have spilled an ocean of blood. A century ago, French writer Guy de Maupassant said that “the egg from which wars are hatched” is patriotism, which he called “a kind of religion.” In fact, The Encyclopedia of Religion says that patriotism’s cousin, nationalism, “has become a dominant form of religion in the modern world, preempting a void left by the deterioration of traditional religious values.”

In our age, “nationalism’s chief symbol of faith and central object of worship is the flag,” wrote historian Carlton Hayes. “Men bare their heads when the flag passes by; and in praise of the flag poets write odes and children sing hymns.” Nationalism, he added, also has its “holy days,” such as the Fourth of July in the United States, as well as its “saints and heroes” and its “temples,” or shrines. In a public ceremony in Brazil, the minister general of the army acknowledged: “The flag is venerated and worshiped . . . just as the Fatherland is worshiped.” Yes, “the flag, like the cross, is sacred,” The Encyclopedia Americana once observed.

The aforementioned encyclopedia more recently noted that national anthems “are expressions of patriotic feeling and often include an invocation for divine guidance and protection of the people or their rulers.” Concerning patriotic ceremonies involving the flag salute and national anthems, the book The American Character stated: “That these daily rituals are religious has been at last affirmed by the Supreme Court in a series of cases.”

In a letter to the editor of Bombay’s “Indian Express” newspaper, an Indian man stated: “I do not believe in patriotism. It is an opium innovated by the politicians to serve their ugly ends. It is for their prosperity. It is for their betterment. It is for their aggrandizement. It is never for the country. It is never for the nation. It is never never for common men and women like you and I. . . . This sinister politician-invented wall shall divide man from man​—and brother from brother; till one day it shall bring about man’s doom by man. Patriotism or nationalism, to my mind, is an idiotic exercise in artificial loyalty. . . . I take no hypocritical pride in being petty this or that. I belong to mankind.”

The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Nationalism is a state of mind which can be, and often is, induced by governmental and private propaganda. It can be the creature of ambitious leaders who wish to form certain patterns of opinion which they expect to use, for their own purposes perhaps, or for ends they consider to be in the public interest.” Under the heading “Irrationality” it states: “The ability of governmental and civic leaders to spread the ferment of nationalism among the masses is greatly facilitated by its highly irrational character. The extreme patriot is largely impervious to rational argument. Even in free countries, he may never hear the truth, especially if he reads only tendentious newspapers or tunes in his radio to biased, chauvinistic [blind, enthusiastic] commentators. Moreover, it is difficult to see how adults can consider the international problems facing their nation with any degree of objectivity if as young children their minds were formed by history books that were one-sided and biased.” (The Encyclopedia Americana, Volume 19, page 755,756, 1956 edition.)

From 1979:

“Twenty-five years ago this June,” observes the Catholic Jesuit magazine “America”, Americans piously inserted the phrase ‘under God’ into the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag.” In reflecting on the reason for this move, “America” says that “most who supported the change in wording (and there were few who did not) frankly admitted that the inclusion of God was a political, not a religious, act.” In those days of fervent anti-Communism, notes the article, “the Catholic War Veterans of Wayne County, Mich., resolved that letting God into the Pledge would give ‘additional meaning to the spiritual defense of our nation.’ God . . . was being recalled to active duty.”

The significance of this was expressed by one religious writer of the time who said that, by putting God into the pledge, America was “adopting a God of war who appears as a nationalistic deity directing bombs and bullets into the hearts of our enemies.” Observes “America”: “Quite simply, the nation was afraid of the future, and it tried to meet this fear by having its children parrot in singsong fashion just how good it actually was. The Pledge was to be a spiritual boot [military training] camp for babes.”

Do you want your children to learn about a nationalistic “God of war” or, rather, about the “God of peace” as revealed in the Bible? (Phil. 4:9) “America” draws this conclusion: “The phrase ‘under God’ is the concrete symbol of what was, 25 years ago, and may still be, the established American religion: worship of the state. We ought to drop it.”​—June 9, 1979, pp. 469, 470.

War—Why? (Awake!—1986)

... As Irenäus Eibl-Eibesfeldt wrote: “Public opinion is formed by interest groups (politicians, arms manufacturers, the military) that deceive the electorate by giving them false or one-sided information.” In a similar vein, historian H. E. Barnes wrote: “Since the wars of the French Revolution . . . copious and compelling propaganda [has] been continued and greatly increased to protect warfare against popular dissent, opposition, and factual analysis of issues.”

As a consequence, “practically anybody can be persuaded and manipulated in such a way that he will more or less voluntarily enter a situation wherein he must kill and perhaps die.” (War, by Gwynne Dyer) Thus, by reason of their political and economic power, the “elite” can control the media in order to prepare the masses for the bloodbath. [whereislogic: the real PTB, and promoting patriotism is their #1 tool of conditioning the masses to suit their agenda. Here comes another way of describing these PTB, I'll bold it below.]

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Who Make the Decisions?

Austrian economist Schumpeter wrote: “The orientation toward war is mainly fostered by the domestic interests of ruling classes but also by the influence of all those who stand to gain individually from a war policy, whether economically or socially.” These ruling classes have been defined as “elites [that] are at all times involved in trying to manipulate other elements of the population, or the public mood itself, so as to perpetuate themselves in power.”​—Why War? by Professors Nelson and Olin.

Every nation has its ruling class, even though that group may be divided into different political factions. However, many observe that the power of the military elite in every nation should not be underestimated. Former U.S. Ambassador John K. Galbraith describes the military establishment as “by far the most powerful of the autonomous processes of government.” ...

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Nationalism​—The “Sacred Egoism” That Divides

Sometimes the people are not in favor of a war. On what basis, then, can the rulers most easily persuade the population to support their aims? This was the problem that faced the United States in Vietnam. So, what did the ruling elite do? Galbraith answers: “The Vietnam War produced in the United States one of the most comprehensive efforts in social conditioning [adjusting of public opinion] in modern times. Nothing was spared in the attempt to make the war seem necessary and acceptable to the American public.” And that points to the handiest tool for softening up a nation for war. What is it?

Professor Galbraith again supplies the answer: “Schools in all countries inculcate the principles of patriotism. . . . The conditioning that requires all to rally around the flag is of particular importance in winning subordination to military and foreign policy.” This systematic conditioning prevails in communist countries as it does in Western nations.

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Brainwashing 101: So who really is a part of a cult? (videolink; quoting the question at 9:09, the point starts at 8:22, or 7:57)

edit on 18-6-2024 by whereislogic because: (no reason given)

a reply to: KrustyKrab

You know, you could at least post The National Park Service comment what when they had to explain themselves.

"Reports that a National Park Service (NPS) official ordered the removal of an American flag from a Denali bridge construction worker’s vehicle at Denali National Park are false," said Peter Christian in a statement. "At no time did an NPS official seek to ban the American flag from the project site or associated vehicles."

The flag is flown throughout the park, and the NPS doesn't have any authority over contractors, he said.

"The NPS neither administers the bridge project contract, nor has the authority to enforce terms or policies related to the contract or contractors performing the work," Christian said. "The American flag can be seen at various locations within Denali National Park – at park facilities and campsites, on public and private vehicles, and at employee residences – and we welcome its display this Memorial Day weekend and every day."

When you don't at least post that you lead all the first responses to never consider that the story may be total BS to rile people up.

Honestly, if there's a f*cking civil servant who doesn't like seeing the American Flag, or has the slightest problem with its presence ANYWHERE in their work life, they don't to be a civil servant in any capacity.

Continuing with my previous comment cause I went a little over the allotted space for 1 comment (but I really wanted to finish my elaboration on the first paragraph in that comment, it was important to me to get to the final bolded quotation within 1 comment, without leaving out the other bolded parts or quotations that required a bit of context, all of which were pertinent to what I summed up in the 2nd sentence of my comment, and the bolded remark in the article about the real PTB, TRPTB? In contrast to what I said in my first sentence about the actions of 1 person not really representing the interests or agenda of TPTB very well; it's actually rather ridiculous to treat it as such, hence the "lol", which is another word for "fun" in Dutch, "having fun" is "lol hebben", so it has a double meaning for me, it also means, "funny", in such a ridiculous sense that it makes me laugh when reading it; I guess to me it's short for, "lol, that's funny because it's so silly/ridiculous").

Nationalism is well described by the psalmist’s expression, “the pestilence causing adversities.” (Psalm 91:3) It has been like a plague on humanity, leading to untold suffering. Albert Einstein once said: “Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.” Nearly everybody gets it at one time or another, and it continues to spread. The late British historian Arnold Toynbee said of nationalism: “It is a state of mind in which we give our paramount political loyalty to one fraction of the human race . . . whatever consequences this may entail for the foreign majority of the human race.”

Because nationalism is so divisive and destructive, Toynbee said of it: “Nationalism is a mental disease.” Nationalism with its resultant hatred of other peoples has existed for centuries. Today, nationalism continues to fan the flames of divisiveness, and human rulers have not been able to stop it.

Many authorities recognize that nationalism and self-interest are the root of the world’s problems. For example, former United Nations Secretary-General U Thant observed: “So many of the problems that we face today are due to, or the result of, false attitudes . . . Among these is the concept of narrow nationalism​—‘my country, right or wrong.’” Author Ivo Duchacek observed in his book Conflict and Cooperation Among Nations: “Nationalism divides humanity into mutually intolerant units. As a result, people think as Americans, Russians, Chinese, Egyptians or Peruvians first, and human beings second​—if at all.”

Nationalism, called by the weekly magazine Asiaweek “the Last Ugly Ism,” is one of the unchanging factors that continues to provoke hatred and bloodshed. That magazine stated: “If pride in being a Serb means hating a Croat, if freedom for an Armenian means revenge on a Turk, if independence for a Zulu means subjugating a Xhosa and democracy for a Romanian means expelling a Hungarian, then nationalism has already put on its ugliest face.”

Since both patriotism and nationalism have been appropiately termed religions (or religious), they can be counted as being part of the entity mentioned in the Bible as "Babylon the Great", which represents all false religion. Since we're talking about religion here, let's contrast false religion with true religion for a moment.

Nationalism is not new. It got its start in Babylon with Nimrod, the first one who set himself up as king in opposition to Jehovah. Centuries later the Hebrews in captivity in this infamous city felt keenly the cruel and unreasonable demands of nationalism. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were among the subjects Nebuchadnezzar gathered on the plain of Dura and who were instructed to bow down in worship before the national state image. These Hebrew worshipers of the true God Jehovah, however, refused to bow down, even on the threat of being thrown into the fiery furnace alive. They had the courage to tell the raging king: “O Nebuchadnezzar, we are under no necessity in this regard to say back a word to you. If it is to be, our God whom we are serving is able to rescue us. Out of the burning fiery furnace and out of your hand, O king, he will rescue us. But if not, let it become known to you, O king, that your gods are not the ones we are serving, and the image of gold that you have set up we will not worship.”​—Dan. 3:16-18.

Do those who profess to be Christians today* feel the same way as did these faithful servants of God in the past? (*: referring to members of Christendom's churches) Or, when national law or community pressure seems to make it imperative that they bow down before national emblems or salute them in an act of worship, vote for political leaders or support nationalistic schemes, do they compromise their professed worship of God (which is supposed to be exclusive, "for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion", Ex 20:5)? Or how about you, will you do as Jesus and the early Christians did?

Jesus set the perfect example when before the Roman governor Pilate for trial. The Jews lyingly claimed that Jesus had made himself an earthly king. If true, this would be treasonous. But to Pilate’s query, Jesus said: “My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.” Pilate was ready to release Jesus on the basis of this truthful reply, but his Jewish accusers answered: “If you release this man, you are not a friend of Caesar. Every man making himself a king speaks against Caesar.” Pilate remonstrated with them: “Shall I impale your king?” The chief priests answered: “We have no king but Caesar.”​—John 18:33-38; 19:12-16.

History records the terrible consequences of their choosing “Caesar” rather than Jesus as the Messiah, when Jerusalem was destroyed thirty-seven years later with a great loss of life, the remainder of her inhabitants going into slavery among the nations. Who, in this instance, maintained neutrality with respect to the affairs of this world while maintaining strict loyalty to God’s kingdom? Jesus Christ!

What did the early Christians do? Daniel P. Mannix, in his book Those About to Die, stated: “Christians refused to . . . sacrifice to the emperor’s genius​—roughly equivalent today to refusing to salute the flag or repeat the oath of allegiance. . . . Very few of the Christians recanted, although an altar with a fire burning on it was generally kept in the arena for their convenience. All a prisoner had to do was scatter a pinch of incense on the flame and he was given a Certificate of Sacrifice and turned free. It was also carefully explained to him that he was not worshiping the emperor; merely acknowledging the divine character of the emperor as head of the Roman state. Still, almost no Christians availed themselves of the chance to escape.”

From the first century down until today nationalism has caused bitter persecution of Christians. But those who loved God and kept their eyes on the prize at the end of the race did not compromise. It is not strange to them that they have these obstacles to contend with, since it was thus foretold. Jesus said to his disciples: “Be on your guard against men; for they will deliver you up to local courts, and they will scourge you in their synagogues. Why, you will be haled before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them and the nations.” While God would allow this as a test for his people and for them to give a witness, Jesus added: “And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.”​—Matt. 10:16-18, 28.

The Bible particularly warns that, during the “time of the end,” the Devil’s political organization would apply an economic lockout against God-fearing people in that those not bowing to pressure to worship this beastly system would not be able “to buy or sell except a person having the mark” of the beast. (Rev. 13:17) If it should happen in your country that identification with a political party is required in order to get employment or other advantages, what would you do? Of course, you need employment to care for your family. Under pressure, what will you do? In whom do you put your confidence for the necessities of life? If you profess to be a Christian, will you panic and forget that you have prayed to God: “Give us today our bread for this day”? (Matt. 6:11) Jehovah knows that we have need of food, clothing and shelter, but it is important to remember that the Adversary, Satan the Devil, presses the issue of integrity into all aspects of life. As in the case of Job, he may raise the charge with respect to any one of us that we will turn against God if deprived of some of our material needs. But the warning is given that the name of not one of those who worship this beastly system is written in the scroll of life. (Rev. 13:8)Context (playlist with more information about "the beast" mentioned above, cause the video above is more about Babylon the Great/false religion)

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: KrustyKrab

You know, you could at least post The National Park Service comment what when they had to explain themselves.

"Reports that a National Park Service (NPS) official ordered the removal of an American flag from a Denali bridge construction worker’s vehicle at Denali National Park are false," said Peter Christian in a statement. "At no time did an NPS official seek to ban the American flag from the project site or associated vehicles."

The flag is flown throughout the park, and the NPS doesn't have any authority over contractors, he said.

"The NPS neither administers the bridge project contract, nor has the authority to enforce terms or policies related to the contract or contractors performing the work," Christian said. "The American flag can be seen at various locations within Denali National Park – at park facilities and campsites, on public and private vehicles, and at employee residences – and we welcome its display this Memorial Day weekend and every day."

When you don't at least post that you lead all the first responses to never consider that the story may be total BS to rile people up.

Honestly, if there's a f*cking civil servant who doesn't like seeing the American Flag, or has the slightest problem with its presence ANYWHERE in their work life, they don't to be a civil servant in any capacity.

Ummmm….it’s all in the story I posted. Read the story. I’m not posting everything written in the story, it’s actually frowned upon. I don’t think I need to go through and handpick any certain dialogue when it’s in the link I posted. I did as I was asked when you click to make a post. Nothing was omitted to intentionally mislead anybody.

originally posted by: whereislogic
Continuing with my previous comment cause I went a little over the allotted space for 1 comment (but I really wanted to finish my elaboration on the first paragraph in that comment, it was important to me to get to the final bolded quotation within 1 comment, without leaving out the other bolded parts or quotations that required a bit of context, all of which were pertinent to what I summed up in the 2nd sentence of my comment, and the bolded remark in the article about the real PTB, TRPTB? In contrast to what I said in my first sentence about the actions of 1 person not really representing the interests or agenda of TPTB very well; it's actually rather ridiculous to treat it as such, hence the "lol", which is another word for "fun" in Dutch, "having fun" is "lol hebben", so it has a double meaning for me, it also means, "funny", in such a ridiculous sense that it makes me laugh when reading it; I guess to me it's short for, "lol, that's funny because it's so silly/ridiculous").

Well, technically, the bolded point counts for that specific person, just a low-level employee of the NPS, with no significant power or influence. There actually is 1 person that could be described as The Power That Is (TPTI). In the Bible he is described as "the ruler of this world" (John 12:31) and "the god of this system of things" (2 Cor 4:4) "who is misleading the entire inhabited earth" (Rev 12:9). Jesus Christ says this about him and those who have chosen him as their spiritual father, the one molding their attitudes, opinions and emotions and guiding them in the path that he desires them to walk, at John 8:42-47:

Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot listen to* [Or “accept.”] my word. 44 You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. 45 Because I, on the other hand, tell you the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Who of you convicts me of sin? If I speak truth, why is it that you do not believe me? 47 The one who is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why you do not listen, because you are not from God.”

“And stop being molded by this system of things,* [ Or “this age.”] but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:2)

Patriotism and nationalism (and the accompanying "worship of the state"*) are definitely among the things the people of this world are being molded and misled by. (*: quoting the magazine America from my first comment)

From one of my comments in another thread:

originally posted by: whereislogic

... “Furthermore, God made you alive, though you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you at one time walked according to the system of things* [Or “the course; the ways; the customs.”] of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.” (Eph 2:1,2)

I.e. "the spirit of the age", "the spirit of the world" (1 Cor 2:12), the impelling force that influences human society, causing such people to say and do things according to a characteristic pattern. Although people act on individual preferences, those who manifest the spirit of the world give evidence of certain basic attitudes, ways of doing things, and aims in life that are common to the present system of things of which Satan is ruler and god. (John 12:31; 2 Cor 4:4)

1 Cor. 2:12: “Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God.”

I was quoting "the spirit of the age" from a report by Methodists (the thread was called "Over One Million United Methodists Quit Church Overnight Over Sex Rule Change"), not from the Bible. It was a different subject being discussed in that report and in that thread, but the term relates to the Bible quotations used here now as well. Rom 12:2 in particular as it relates to the "systematic conditioning" referred to in the article in my 1st comment after quoting Professor Galbraith: “Schools in all countries inculcate the principles of patriotism. . . . The conditioning that requires all to rally around the flag is of particular importance in winning subordination to military and foreign policy.”

Brainwashing 101. Molding people (Rom 12:2) "according to his [the Devil's] own disposition" (John 8:44). TRPTI. (R = real, in contrast to those more often perceived and focused on as TPTB on ATS, to distract attention away from him and his activities, just as a criminal mastermind does it, as explained in the video below; if you've seen the movie The Usual Suspects, like Keyser Söze)

The video images from the Bohemian Grove and on the Skull & Bones society, and what types of people go there (in terms of power), should have really woken up people to TRPTI, but why didn't it? (not really, even those who recognize the Devil as being an actual spirit person who is involved in "misleading the entire inhabited earth", Rev 12:9, don't really understand or see the bigger picture, how it all works. They're still too focused on the people who go to the Bohemian Grove and are members of the Skull & Bones society, or The Bilderberg Group, etc. Still talking about humans af if they are TPTB and should be your main interest when talking about things such as the NWO, the Deep State, globalists and socialists, etc. Or conspiracies in general.)

Might the following have something to do with it? (note what is included under "14: Idolatry" at 12:23, "nationalism"*)

*: An idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion, whether material or imagined. Generally speaking, idolatry is the veneration, love, worship, or adoration of an idol. Remember the quotations in my first comment?

In our age, “nationalism’s chief symbol of faith and central object of worship is the flag,” wrote historian Carlton Hayes. ... In a public ceremony in Brazil, the minister general of the army acknowledged: “The flag is venerated and worshiped . . . just as the Fatherland is worshiped.” Yes, “the flag, like the cross, is sacred,” The Encyclopedia Americana once observed.
...
... “America” draws this conclusion: “The phrase ‘under God’ is the concrete symbol of what was, 25 years ago, and may still be, the established American religion: worship of the state. We ought to drop it.”​—June 9, 1979, pp. 469, 470.

Yes, both flags and nations/states can become idols to people who treat them as such.

In contrast, the early Christians heeded the inspired counsel: “Flee from idolatry” (1Co 10:14). As testified to by secular historians, remaining free from idolatry often placed Christians living in the Roman Empire in a position similar to that of the three Hebrews mentioned in one of my previous comments, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Acknowledging the divine character of the emperor as head of the state by offering a pinch of incense could have spared such Christians from death, but few compromised. Those early Christians fully appreciated that once they turned away from idols to serve the true God (1Th 1:9), a return to idolatry would mean their being debarred from the New Jerusalem and their losing out on the prize of life.​—Re 21:8; 22:14, 15. Servants of the true God must guard themselves from idols (1Jo 5:21), even today. It was foretold that great pressures would be brought to bear against all the inhabitants of the earth to worship the symbolic “wild beast” and its “image.” None who persist in such idolatrous worship will receive God’s gift of life everlasting. “Here is where it means endurance for the holy ones.”​—Re 13:15-17; 14:9-12; see DISGUSTING THING, LOATHSOME THING.

originally posted by: whereislogic
... Rom 12:2 in particular as it relates to the "systematic conditioning" referred to in the article in my 1st comment after quoting Professor Galbraith: “Schools in all countries inculcate the principles of patriotism. . . . The conditioning that requires all to rally around the flag is of particular importance in winning subordination to military and foreign policy.”

Brainwashing 101. Molding people (Rom 12:2) "according to his [the Devil's] own disposition" (John 8:44). ...

In the case of the promotion of patriotism and divisive nationalism, “the pestilence causing adversities” (Psalm 91:3), he's using his favorite 'divide and conquer' tactic. When he uses this tactic, he's usually pushing the 'pride' button: national pride (or patriotic pride), racial pride (Black pride, White pride, Latino pride, Asian pride, Arab pride, etc.), LGBTQ pride, male or female pride (guess we can call that gender pride, pitting women against men and vice versa), religious pride (Islam vs Judaism, one denomination within Christendom vs another, etc.). This is how he "divides humanity into mutually intolerant units", as author Ivo Duchacek observed in his book Conflict and Cooperation Among Nations regarding nationalism in particular, as quoted in a bit more context before.

Remember, pride comes before the fall. A saying that is based on Proverbs 16:18 (rendered differently in different translations, for example, the NWT renders it as such):

Pride is before a crash,

And a haughty spirit before stumbling.

King James Version (where the term "fall" comes from):

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

Democrats don't believe in the American flag or it values. As you watch the DNC, tell me how many Americans are waving their flags or if ever!

a reply to: Sylent7

It's not about the Flag ... it's a symptom of tribalisum... and Democrats have that sickness bad.

Some conservative somewhere waved the American flag for some reason and now the other tribe has no choice but to see the flag as symbol that has to be rejected or won back.

In a communist democracy there is no patriotic expression of freedom in American anymore. They will total disregard the constitution as long as they're in power.

originally posted by: Dandandat3
a reply to: Sylent7

It's not about the Flag ... it's a symptom of tribalisum... and Democrats have that sickness bad.

Some conservative somewhere waved the American flag for some reason and now the other tribe has no choice but to see the flag as symbol that has to be rejected or won back.

Tribalism is the keyword here. You're right.