US Special Forces Operator Kills Undocumented Chechen Outside Home in North Carolina

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
You wrote>>
“sorts of media "spin" all over it.

Question for you...if you have red hair (or any other color) and someone bombed a nuke facility with the same color hair as you have, are you guilty. “

Of course not. But wow, you just think a Special Ops Col is just trigger happy for no real reason…..
I would like to learn more about this.
Here’s another article by PJ Media gives a good “recap”
pjmedia.com...

Two Chechens, here illegally, and likely posing as utility workers — but lacking any tools, ID, uniforms, or anything one can link to their supposed employer a shady AF company where no one picks up the phone — were caught on the property of a U.S. Special Ops colonel. One was taking pictures of the officer's kids and was perforated by several shots at close range in a scuffle with the soldier and gave up the ghost. The other was, oddly, interviewed and allowed to leave.

And that article also mentions the number of suspicious surveillance happening around various power grid infrastructures, also that the msm tried to blame the other recent attack 18 mos ago on a local conservative Patriot group… isn’t that just convenient

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: burritocat

Why did this trained soldier fear for his life and respond?

That is one big one to get to some answers.

No, it is not. Soldiers are people to, and they screw up, make bad calls, and overreact to situations. He could have misjudged the situation. We dont know yet.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Public utility companies are known to retain subcontractors to do all sorts of different tasks. Keeping track of the condition of the utility's infrastructure is one of these tasks.

In my experience, that's wrong. And I know the local power company guy that's in charge of this district and this is what he told me at least 15 years ago. He told me his company, Ameren here in Illinois, that they no longer keep track of the condition of their lines or equipment. What they were starting to do even then was to wait until something actually failed, then they would move in and repair it. And we all know that, these days, when a company adopts a money-saving scheme, (and whether it's good for their customers or not, doesn't matter to these companies. And tha't the fact, Jack!) it's not long until every other company follows right along. So, I can't see something like this not catching on with all power companies. It saves them a whole lot of money not having to keep power lines and equipment in optimum condition.

So, your mileage might vary in your locality, but that's the way it is around here for sure.

a reply to: EyeoftheHurricane

Okay, but hang on here a second...are we mad about some Chechen guys poking around and potentially surveilling utility infrastructure...or are we mad about some guy who possibly takes the law into his own hands and starts shooting people? Seems like you might be confused. That, or I am...and I don't think I am.

Oh, and gotta love media news stories with descriptions like "Shady AF company", "perforated", and "gave up the ghost". Sure seems like high-quality and objective investigative journalism to me, doesn't it to you???? So thanks for that quality "recap" from "PJMedia" (who ever the hell they are).

Look, this Army Col might be innocent as a newborn baby and, as a conservative to the core, I will defend to my last breath the rights of liberty, but regardless of what any 2-bit media outlet spews out, there's more to this story which hasn't been released. But know this, people who break laws need to be punished, and shooting someone is a serious incident. Going out and shooting someone on your property and then yelling "Self Defense!" (if this guy even claimed that, which we don't know) is not an automatic pass. Trial by media, any media, is wrong, and doesn't represent me or my values.

If it comes out that these two Chechens pulled a gun on this guy and he truly did respond with deadly force then that's fine, but we don't know any of that yet...and sources who report stories with language like that are not only worthless, they are agitators. And again, I am a conservative!

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I see that too in people delivering in their personal cars. Kind of strange....

I don't think it's strange at all. Or uncommon. Back in 1983, I worked for this Italian guy at his pizza restaurant and made deliveries in my own personal car, and it had no identification on it at all - just a beat up old 1964 Chevrolet Biscayne. All the other drivers had to do the same. Lots of places had drivers like that.

It seems like to me that so many of this generation don't know past history and they think that everything they see must have just started being done that way since they were born. But, they're not taught anything useful in school these days, either, so who's to blame?

originally posted by: burritocat
Its why Im waiting for more information from the investigation to get a better picture. A number of important facts are missing from the case at this point to come to a conclusion either way

That's a very big problem these days. They don't release enough facts to be able to find out what really happened in events like this. So, it could be he was just a harmless sub-contractor or he could be a spy for Xi. They treat us like us peons don't have a need to know for a lot of these "incidents."

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: EyeoftheHurricane

Okay, but hang on here a second...are we mad about some Chechen guys poking around and potentially surveilling utility infrastructure...or are we mad about some guy who possibly takes the law into his own hands and starts shooting people? Seems like you might be confused. That, or I am...and I don't think I am.

Oh, and gotta love media news stories with descriptions like "Shady AF company", "perforated", and "gave up the ghost". Sure seems like high-quality and objective investigative journalism to me, doesn't it to you???? So thanks for that quality "recap" from "PJMedia" (who ever the hell they are).

Look, this Army Col might be innocent as a newborn baby and, as a conservative to the core, I will defend to my last breath the rights of liberty, but regardless of what any 2-bit media outlet spews out, there's more to this story which hasn't been released. But know this, people who break laws need to be punished, and shooting someone is a serious incident. Going out and shooting someone on your property and then yelling "Self Defense!" (if this guy even claimed that, which we don't know) is not an automatic pass. Trial by media, any media, is wrong, and doesn't represent me or my values.

If it comes out that these two Chechens pulled a gun on this guy and he truly did respond with deadly force then that's fine, but we don't know any of that yet...and sources who report stories with language like that are not only worthless, they are agitators. And again, I am a conservative!

100% agreement. This is integrity.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
But those helo pilots are some crazy-talented pilots, hovering that close suspended cables and towers like that (regardless of their energized status).

I guess I always figured they were pretty well paid. If not, there must be a whole bunch of helicopter pilots out there looking for work.

I've been following drone tech very closely as it has been evolving, specifically as it relates to deliveries. As you may know, I work in aviation, and I'm not convinced that whole concept is going to work out as smoothly as people think it will. Technically, the capability is there, but the liability side of this equation is off the charts (when you consider who all will jump on that as an unmanned, headcount reduction, option). Then what happens is the regulated aerodrome starts to drop down to treetop level which complicates a whole plethora of things in aviation, not the least of which is VFR aircraft flight. Things wind up becoming unmanageable in short order. VFR then becomes IFR, and General Aviation becomes a extinct. This is trillions of dollars in tax revenues and millions of jobs on the line.

And...then there's the legal side of all this in terms of privacy. If one drone can overfly your house at low level, then how are you going to regulate / prevent another (unwanted) drone from doing the exact same thing but for more nefarious purposes? Answer - you can't.

I can easily picture "all" drone flight to move into the regulated sphere. The FAA and FCC are already headed in this direction with ever increasing regulation on both size, range and altitudes for drone flight. Then what...it's illegal to fly a kite? Plus, the increased safety regulations will cause drones to grow in size when drone ACAS becomes a requirement (Airborne Collision Avoidance System(s)). And the list goes on.

Man, those are a lot of good points - I never would have thought about them. Thanks for posting them! The world truly is evolving at a super-fast speed these days. And this change has to be from top to bottom, not the other way around. Because most people don't have time to do anything but survive these days.

a reply to: Station27

So, two things...

First, people delivering pizza are expected by the people who ordered, and in theory they are expected shortly after ordering said pizza, so they're not surprised when some strange car shows up in their drive within 30 minutes of ordering a pizza.

Second, mail persons, delivery drivers (UPS, FEDEX, USMail, Amazon, etc) don't show up at your house at 12:30AM in the morning, unannounced, out of the blue, with no identifying clothing or logos on their vehicles. Completely different situation.

Plus, if I order a pizza at 7PM and the driver shows up at 12:30AM, hours after I've given up on said pizza, I'm still going to be pissed off when I come outside to see WTF someone is doing at my house at that time in the morning!

So, this isn't a matter of living in 1983, I was in college in 1983, so I know exactly what happened with pizza deliveries back then. AND, yes, it IS very strange to have some unannounced delivery show up at zero-dark-thirty in the middle of the night/morning when there is no advance notice of such a person arriving. I don't care who it is!

And while we're at it..."I don't know what you damn kids are looking for, but GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN..or else I'm gonna get out the hose and start hosing you little urchins down. Now Beat it!!!"
(just in case you were thinking of going 'there' next, I saved you the effort).

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
So, two things...

First, people delivering pizza are expected by the people who ordered, and in theory they are expected shortly after ordering said pizza, so they're not surprised when some strange car shows up in their drive within 30 minutes of ordering a pizza.

Second, mail persons, delivery drivers (UPS, FEDEX, USMail, Amazon, etc) don't show up at your house at 12:30AM in the morning, unannounced, out of the blue, with no identifying clothing or logos on their vehicles. Completely different situation.

Plus, if I order a pizza at 7PM and the driver shows up at 12:30AM, hours after I've given up on said pizza, I'm still going to be pissed off when I come outside to see WTF someone is doing at my house at that time in the morning!

So, this isn't a matter of living in 1983, I was in college in 1983, so I know exactly what happened with pizza deliveries back then. AND, yes, it IS very strange to have some unannounced delivery show up at zero-dark-thirty in the middle of the night/morning when there is no advance notice of such a person arriving. I don't care who it is!

And while we're at it..."I don't know what you damn kids are looking for, but GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN..or else I'm gonna get out the hose and start hosing you little urchins down. Now Beat it!!!"
(just in case you were thinking of going 'there' next, I saved you the effort).

I'm not sure how to respond. Are you saying that people making deliveries in their private vehicles is a common or uncommon thing? All I said was that it's been pretty common for a whole lot of years. I wasn't and didn't address delivery times.

When you said "So, this isn't a matter of living in 1983," didn't you realize that I was just stating something that I know for a fact was happening at least as far back as that? I'm not living in 1983 - I'm living in 2024. What did you mean by that?

And as for the last thing you said, I didn't understand it and don't have a clue what you were talking about. But I can assure you I would never go "there."

a reply to: Station27

Well, if you scroll up, you will see that Xtrozero was responding to an earlier post by me wherein I described the delivery anomalies we have been having. So, it was all about deliveries, and not pizza.

The comment about 1983 was merely to point out that pizza has been delivered by private vehicles (POV's) for a very long time indeed, but only recently have actual package deliveries from major shipping companies started showing up via these methods (and this isn't 1983). Further, deliveries such as these "might" be okay if done during normal business hours as one would reasonably expect, but 12:30 in the morning is far from anything reasonable, and certainly not during business hours. So, what I meant was...pizza has been delivered by POV's for a very long time, but people are expecting pizza to be delivered (after they order it), and it doesn't matter if it's 1983, or 2024. Package deliveries, on the other hand, are a completely different matter (but again, this was all laid out in my earlier post wherein I stated...'don't be surprised if you read about something like this happening to an Amazon delivery person').

Lastly, my final statement was a joke. Old geezers (like me) are sometimes stereotyped into having nothing more to do than chase people off their precious front lawn. So, it's a bit of a smart alec reply to us 'old geezers' by younger folk to suggest we're just grumpy old men who have nothing better to do than chase kids off their lawn. No offense intended, it was just intended to be a tongue in cheek rejoinder.

a reply to: Station27

Well, I work in electrical and electronic systems (in the aviation sector), and I can tell you that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to learn that failure to maintain existing infrastructure costs a whole lot more to repair than infrastructure which is properly maintained. The same holds true for upgrading existing infrastructure.

Now, I don't live in Illinois (and I'm glad about this), so if some power company in Illinois believes that not maintaining their infrastructure is an easy way to make a buck, well, I can assure you they are sorely mistaken. But, this mentality would not surprise me in Illinois, one of the more crooked state operations. Failure to maintain infrastructure isn't going to 'catch on'; it's a foolish idea, and any engineer with any sense knows this. Sorry, no offense, but it's true.

More and more we are seeing power distribution utilities outsourcing their operations to 3rd party management companies. These companies are motivated by profit, yes, but profit is a function of revenue over operating costs. Failure to maintain existing assets may generate profits early on in the lifecycle of a distribution system, but over the longer term this picture turns upside down very quickly and becomes a big loser with costs increasing exponentially year over year. You don't stay in business long when you have this as your business model.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Station27

Well, I work in electrical and electronic systems (in the aviation sector), and I can tell you that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to learn that failure to maintain existing infrastructure costs a whole lot more to repair than infrastructure which is properly maintained. The same holds true for upgrading existing infrastructure.

Now, I don't live in Illinois (and I'm glad about this), so if some power company in Illinois believes that not maintaining their infrastructure is an easy way to make a buck, well, I can assure you they are sorely mistaken. But, this mentality would not surprise me in Illinois, one of the more crooked state operations. Failure to maintain infrastructure isn't going to 'catch on'; it's a foolish idea, and any engineer with any sense knows this. Sorry, no offense, but it's true.

More and more we are seeing power distribution utilities outsourcing their operations to 3rd party management companies. These companies are motivated by profit, yes, but profit is a function of revenue over operating costs. Failure to maintain existing assets may generate profits early on in the lifecycle of a distribution system, but over the longer term this picture turns upside down very quickly and becomes a big loser with costs increasing exponentially year over year. You don't stay in business long when you have this as your business model.

We need to look no further than the fires down in California that were started by poorly maintained power equipment , and all the lives lost and property damage and lawsuits to understand why power companies with any brains are realizing they need to spend the money to maintain the infrastructure or its going to cost them way more in liabilities in the future. Local power companies in my area have been doing this alot more, because our risk of wildfires has spiked due to increased temps and lower rainfall in the Cascades and we've had crazy wildfire seasons. Though most are not related to power utilities, the awareness has increased, and they are paying more attention.

As far as my local power company goes with its people, as far as I know, all the ones I've seen and encountered work directly for the power company itself. They have uniforms, ID and equipment marked with our local power company. I am unaware if they hire subcontractors to do work elsewhere, but maybe possible. Everyone subcontracts and outsources these days, no matter what the industry, and I think its a huge problem in so many ways. Quality, safety, and accountability being one group of issues, and employee exploitation and abuse being another. Its all so scummy.

Many companies dont care about staying in business long, just long enough for the owner to squeeze as much money as possible out before they bail. Business these days dont seem to have any long term plans or goals, and seldom think beyond next quarter. Its one of the reasons I think everyone sucks now.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
but 12:30 in the morning is far from anything reasonable

Lastly, my final statement was a joke. Old geezers (like me) are sometimes stereotyped into having nothing more to do than chase people off their precious front lawn. So, it's a bit of a smart alec reply to us 'old geezers' by younger folk to suggest we're just grumpy old men who have nothing better to do than chase kids off their lawn. No offense intended, it was just intended to be a tongue in cheek rejoinder.

Oh, okay. Thanks for explaining that. I agree, 12.30 in the dead of the night is NOT the time to be delivering something. Unless it's something from an all-night pizza joint, I guess.

And your final joke - I see now, I get it. I guess you can put me in the "old geezer" category as well. (Sad to say. I don't feel this old.)

a reply to: Justoneman
Of course, I will never forget the tragedy in Beslan, which was perpetrated by international terrorists, Wahabis and Salafis. And no one in Russia will forget. Yes, among Basayev’s terrorists there were Chechens, but there were also a huge number of terrorists from all over the world, including from Western countries..
I want to tell you an incident from Russian history. In the first half of the 19th century, the Caucasian War was fought in the Caucasus between Russia and the caliphate of the North Caucasus on the territory of Dagestan and Chechnya. The caliphate was headed by Imam Shamil.
The war lasted for almost 40 years and was extremely bloody with numerous casualties. When the Russian general Ermomlov captured Shamil, everyone thought that he would simply be executed. But Shamil was sent with his family to St. Petersburg, to the Tsar.
Shamil arrived first in Chuguev, where he first met with Alexander II, then in Moscow. In Moscow he was received by Ermolov - the two old warriors treated each other with great respect. From Moscow the imam came to St. Petersburg, where he was introduced to the imperial family in Tsarskoe Selo.
The Emperor assigned Shamil's place of residence to Kaluga. For the maintenance of the captive imam, his two wives, sons and daughters, 20 thousand rubles were allocated annually, not counting the pension of 15 thousand given to Shamil personally.

Kaluga society received the honorary royal captive very kindly; the local governor, the chief of police and even the archbishop had excellent relations with him. In 1866, in the Kaluga Assembly of Nobles, in the presence of the top officials of the province, Imam Shamil and his two sons accepted Russian citizenship, taking an oath of allegiance to the emperor. In 1869, Emperor Alexander II granted the imam hereditary nobility.
In 1870, 74-year-old Shamil went on Hajj to Mecca and died there. His will is known:

“You, the great Sovereign, defeated me and the Caucasian peoples, subject to me, with weapons. You, the great Sovereign, gave me life. You, the great Sovereign, conquered my heart with good deeds. My sacred duty, as a blessed decrepit old man and conquered by Your great soul, to instill in the children their duties to Russia and its legitimate kings. I bequeathed to them eternal gratitude to You, Sovereign, for all the blessings with which you shower me. I bequeathed to them to be loyal subjects to the kings of Russia and useful servants to our new fatherland."

His younger sons were taken in by Alexander personally and later became members of the emperor's guard, the last circle of guards. Alexander treated them like sons, and they considered him a father. When the Balkan War began between Russia and Turkey, as a result of which Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, Macedonia and Romania were liberated, Shamil’s third son came to the emperor and said: “Father, let me go to the troops in the Balkans. I want to fight for you and Russia".
But the emperor did not let him go to war. He said that he would not allow his son to fight against fellow Muslims and against his older brother, who led the Turkish troops. The Emperor sent him to the Far East, where Shamil’s son served Russia.

The Russian policy is not to conquer peoples, but to make them into native people with common national interests and a common goal.
This is exactly what Putin did with Chechnya. He made the Imam of Chechnya, Akhmad Haji Kadyrov, his brother, and together they began to defeat the Wahhabi terrorists in Chechnya. And after terrorists blew up Akhmad Haji at the stadium, his son Ramzan came to power in Chechnya, who began to call Putin father, and, like Shamil’s son, began to defend Russia’s interests around the world.
Now Chechnya is the calmest and most prosperous region of Russia and the safest place in the world. Beautiful architecture, a developed tourism system with numerous tourist clusters and routes, a very friendly and hospitable population. Now all the men of Chechnya are fighting for Russia, they are brave warriors. Google photos of the city of Grozny and you will be very surprised.
This is how Russia has always turned even its blood enemies into its friends and family.
I hope that you will understand the difference in approaches to people between Russia and Western countries.
Have I answered your question?

originally posted by: Station27
It seems like to me that so many of this generation don't know past history...
All the other drivers had to do the same. Lots of places had drivers like that.

There is a good chance I'm older than you, so I wouldn't assume we are all "this generation"

We were talking about Amazon only, not some takeout place. All Uber and Grubhub are personal vehicles too, so yes, we all know there are many situations when people use their own cars.

originally posted by: burritocat

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: burritocat

Why did this trained soldier fear for his life and respond?

That is one big one to get to some answers.

No, it is not. Soldiers are people to, and they screw up, make bad calls, and overreact to situations. He could have misjudged the situation. We dont know yet.

Officers don't make many on this level ever or they wouldn't make Col. They aren't perfect, but you can bet there battlefield instincts are at a peak level unless they sat behind a desk. Special Forces Col's are the Army's versison super soldiers/Navy seal like. I guarantee they are one of if not the sharpest tool in the drawer for their Battalion.

Well, that sounds swell for sure.


What I don't get is this connection to allowing a cult of death to exist in your midst?

In a way you could say the USA has one, and we just might from best I can tell?

But, a people who attacks children is the kind that needs exterminated like the Mtn Lions were for the most part in Tennessee three centuries ago. There are some left but the children are no longer being eaten by Mtn Lions. Sometimes when society clashes with another, one is going to lose. You can play around with fire and get burned is what my mother taught me.



a reply to: RussianTroll

a reply to: Justoneman
No need for propaganda. If you want to receive adequate answers, then ask adequate questions.

a reply to: RussianTroll

I am NOT into propaganda to make a point. I am into facts. Is it untrue kids were targeted? I ask because that is like they do here in the US.

I think they target the kids and not the Military, that is all I mean. Once you have that being determined, you can see my point. Or not.....