Reincarnation And Realtionship with Heaven & Hell

This theory is so brief that it may seem illogical, add your variable opinions to it.

The theory is that heaven and hell are both on earth and reincarnation is a player in the process and physical existence of both realities.

The basis is that when a soul incarnates to Earth and creates a positive force in the world it reincarnates to a heaven on earth. That heaven on earth is to a middle class family (example) in a nation that has relatively easy cultural and social conditions, etcetera.

The hell on earth reincarnation for a soul that has created an evil force on earth will reincarnate to an area of the world which is suffering or to a life which will be impacted by the conditions made by the evil force the soul created on earth.

So, what is everyone's opinion or added variable to this theory?

[edit on 15-4-2005 by Enigmatic_Messiah]

I have realized that in the Bible, heaven is often referred to as a place here on Earth. In Sunday School, they always tried to make it a spiritual place up in the sky. I often thought that maybe souls are held somewhere and then placed here on Earth in the end in this wonderful heavenly place that is so peaceful. But now that you mention this, it has me thinking again. Maybe it is reincarnation. I don't know so much about being placed in a middle-class family or something of that sort, it seems to be a little too materialistic for the workings of a god. This is very Matrix-like (the movie). Plug me back in and make me a rock star. Same as Hinduism. So maybe this is the true religion. Jesus hinted to this idea, Buddha, and all Hindus before them. I must pursue these thoughts some more.

I have heard that some biblical scholars believe there is no hell that man added that later. For me as a christian i have always had problems resolving the God of love sending anyone to hell.....It is possible that God says to those who chose not to accept Him that ok you dont want me in your life so I wont be and Hell is just and empty nothingness devoid of Him or His creation.....Just speculating seems to fit here

Originally posted by Enigmatic_Messiah
So, what is everyone's opinion or added variable to this theory?

My opinion is you've deconstructed pop reincarnation beliefs and come full circle back to the oldest religion in the world.

Though even the higher castes of superior earthly states can eventually be escaped.

Sometimes people in 3rd world countries can be a heck of a lot happier than those in middle class western ones.

To look from the outside and say "your country is hell" is mere opinion rather than fact.

Sure we have better medicine, longer lifespans owing to better hygene etc.

But more posessions doesn't mean that the life quality is necessarily better for us, in the western ratrace with obesity and heart disease, than some peasant living in a village who's day is governed by the sun.

[edit on 15-4-2005 by Netchicken]

Originally posted by steggyD
Jesus hinted to this idea,

Could you let me know where this was hinted at by Jesus? Reincarnation is not Biblical. I read the Bible and would like to know what verse you believe hints at that.

Originally posted by Rren
It is possible that God says to those who chose not to accept Him that ok you dont want me in your life so I wont be and Hell is just and empty nothingness devoid of Him or His creation

That is an aspect of Hell, but remember those there are in existance. They haven't ceased to exist. They remember and and the everlasting seperation from God will be literally "Hell".

Sorry, dbrandt, but I am now afraid to quote you.

What I refer to is how heaven is often referred to as a place here on Earth. Jesus once also said that John the Baptist is Elias. And when Jesus says that noone can get to be with the father except by knowing him, I'm beginning to think it sounds like Hindu. You are reincarnated until your spirit has completed its spiritual journey, and then you go on to become part of the oneness, as we are all part of god. Read it how you'd like, but I am also taking into consideration that we are reading translations of many different books. I am suddenly seeing a similarity between the Hindu and Christian religions.

Also, I have not made any conclusions, I'm only trying to read into things here. Can you tell me different places where Jesus has described Hell or Heaven and what happens after we die. I am also trying to make my own spiritual journey here, but I find it hard with so many different people translating religions to so many different ways, it's so hard to follow. I think I would like to find god my own way, the right way. Quoting Pantera there...

[edit on 16-4-2005 by steggyD]

Originally posted by steggyD
Sorry, dbrandt, but I am now afraid to quote you.

You are reincarnated until your spirit has completed its spiritual journey, and then you go on to become part of the oneness, as we are all part of god.
Can you tell me different places where Jesus has described Hell or Heaven and what happens after we die.
[edit on 16-4-2005 by steggyD]

Ok first question, why are you afraid to quote me, I don't get that?

2nd ? Still wondering how you get reincarnation from the Bible?

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement(no reincarnation).

Hell
Revelation 20:15

Heaven
Revelation 21 Heaven

Luke 16:19-31 describes both

There is alot describing both, too many to list. You should go here www.gotquestions....