Is Joe Biden the worst President in US History?

a reply to: Lovelyldy

Who led operation warpspeed?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Lovelyldy

Who led operation warpspeed?

Trump and I still applaud him.

The FDA kept drugs in the pipeline 5 to 7 years before approval.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Sure, but we don’t give the other presidents a pass when something happened under their admin by a different branch or department.

Yes, and I clearly made sure to mention that.

What I'm curious is our typical grey area conversations where we know how compartmentalized the entire DHS is, let alone NIH. And we also know that people were actually against Trump in almost all of the branch.


So I'm not asking for a pass here. What I'm asking is can we consider the Trump admin being included in the colloquial "all things being equal" paradigm?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Lovelyldy

Who led operation warpspeed?

Trump and I still applaud him.

The FDA kept drugs in the pipeline 5 to 7 years before approval.

In hindsight I guess it doesn’t matter since they didn’t work.

a reply to: JinMI

Again, I don’t feel like we do that for anyone else. What other president do we focus on specific agencies and not tie it to an admin.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: JinMI

Again, I don’t feel like we do that for anyone else. What other president do we focus on specific agencies and not tie it to an admin.

No, we don't.

Now do we have any history on admins that openly defied their chief executive?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Lovelyldy

Who led operation warpspeed?

Trump and I still applaud him.

The FDA kept drugs in the pipeline 5 to 7 years before approval.

In hindsight I guess it doesn’t matter since they didn’t work.

How many drugs have though?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: JinMI

Again, I don’t feel like we do that for anyone else. What other president do we focus on specific agencies and not tie it to an admin.

No, we don't.

Now do we have any history on admins that openly defied their chief executive?

I’d imagine that happens quite a bit. Which is why a lot of resignations probably aren’t actually resignations. Part of what separates different presidents is their ability to be leaders.

Part of Trumps problem is anyone who didn’t agree with him 100% of the time he’d talk trash about them publicly and isolate himself.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: JinMI

Again, I don’t feel like we do that for anyone else. What other president do we focus on specific agencies and not tie it to an admin.

No, we don't.

Now do we have any history on admins that openly defied their chief executive?

I’d imagine that happens quite a bit. Which is why a lot of resignations probably aren’t actually resignations. Part of what separates different presidents is their ability to be leaders.

Part of Trumps problem is anyone who didn’t agree with him 100% of the time he’d talk trash about them publicly and isolate himself.

I don't need to make assumptions or speculation to demonstrate people within the Trump admin defying him.


I think you understand it.


All I'm asking here is it a case of all things being equal. Would you consider the Trump admin in retrospect the exception or the rule?

a reply to: JinMI

I don’t doubt it either.

Parts of what happened to him are unfair, like the obvious political use of the courts to go after him to things most politicians are guilty of.

I can’t feel sorry people wouldn’t follow him once he won though. People run dirty campaigns all the time and when they win usually they get a little more humble, at least publicly and find times to work with different people in good faith.

Trump kept his same rhetoric after he won and even struggled with all three branches in the first two years. But I think that is because of his boisterous public image against people.

That’s not me upset with “orange man bad tweet”, words don’t really bother me. Merely pointing out why he likely struggled with maintaining control of the government, since he pissed off people with big egos.

Not saying Biden is a better leader, that dudes victories are making it up some stairs and through a sentence.

a reply to: Justsomeboreddude3

No one man is responsible for this, and this was an incremental rollout spanning decades. Meaning, we as a citizenry had decades to change it and we did practically nothing.

But here's how it was accomplished.
bailiwicknews.substack.com...

Did he now? So we go after the Dems for the times they did what he did or not?

originally posted by: Boomer1947

originally posted by: Justsomeboreddude3
a reply to: VoiceofReality

Well please tell me what made Trump the worst President in US History?

The fact that he tried by illegal means to remain in power after the Constitutionally mandated processes declared him the loser. No other President in the US has ever attempted that. Plenty of Presidents in banana republics in South America and Africa have done that, however, so he's right in that league.

Reagan was the one who was almost assassinated by the head of the CIA's friend. GHW Bush's buddy shot Reagan who came out of the surgery where they stopped his heart, a vegetable. Bush was running EVERYTHING. I am against the R's and the D's but DJT is too. He is taking them all down and that is why liars are lying about him.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
If we're talking longterm damage, it's probably Reagan. It was his economic policies that caused the slow death of the middle class.

Biden is actually the first President in decades that has seen the wealth gap narrow by a little bit.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Justsomeboreddude3

Gas and oil production believe it or not is at an all time high ... you just don't hear about it much because it'll make the green freaks and liberals go nuts.

The permit for the pipeline being revoked makes it a moot point . The refineries are not getting new permits either. I have been a permit writer in a Health Dept before and keep up with rules and EPA changes. One big one is coming for PM 2.5 soon that will cause issues for businesses and not really help much. It will do more damage than good by pretending to protect the environment and gaining more power to stop the common man from living a normal life IMO of course.

a reply to: Justsomeboreddude3

Trump will go down as that. Treasonous, traitor, antichrist, liar, womanizer, cheat, self entitled, above just being an American, egotistical...losey father who threw all his kids under the bus. What about Baron without a DAD the last 10 years?

And all those dozens of his appointees once gone, badmouthed...some convicted of crimes, many pleading GUILTY...

Ok. Bidens old...but Trump has a daily butler and dresser, driver etc....

This Cretan I pray for everyday...anyway.

Trump. Hands down the closest and worse Hitler Clone.

Bankrupted almost all of his companies, casinos, hotels etc 20 and counting. Destroyed the reputation of the United States...and made us a laughing stock.

All Prez Garfield did was kept getting stuck in the bathtub...so....yeah. Trump.

Biden won't leave any lasting legacy either. So. Trump. Bad
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Will he now? I don't think you get how history works.

a reply to: mysterioustranger

a reply to: Justoneman

Really. I voted against Nixon. In person. Where were you?

History? Perhaps it's an..your ...age thing.

From hiding heads under desks from nuke drills in the 60's, mandatory vax in school every year.

History repeats...don't be doomed. It shall repeat.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: JinMI

Parts of what happened to him are unfair, like the obvious political use of the courts to go after him to things most politicians are guilty of.

How is this unfair? Do me a favour next time you have a cop pull you over for running a stop sign or speeding, go ahead and tell them you don't feel you deserve a ticket because everyone else does it as well.

Let us know how that goes for you.

Trump broke the law. Justice must apply to all men equally. It's lunacy that people are suggesting he just let off scott free.

Really? 😳🐑🐑🐑


a reply to: VoiceofReality

originally posted by: VoiceofReality

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: JinMI

Parts of what happened to him are unfair, like the obvious political use of the courts to go after him to things most politicians are guilty of.

How is this unfair? Do me a favour next time you have a cop pull you over for running a stop sign or speeding, go ahead and tell them you don't feel you deserve a ticket because everyone else does it as well.

Let us know how that goes for you.

Trump broke the law. Justice must apply to all men equally. It's lunacy that people are suggesting he just let off scott free.

Can you site the one that is making you believe this lie?