Russian activist and Putin critic Alexei Navalny dies in prison

a reply to: JinMI

Doesn't matter what I believe.

No, it but it does matter what the paramedics said, why he said it, and also why he chose to remain anonymous.

Do you believe the Ukrainian (insert nebulous spy title here) or an anonymous paramedic?

I believe further study is required and an independent autopsy and inquiry should be on the cards.

a reply to: andy06shake

So you don't believe Ukraine then.

Alrighty.

a reply to: JinMI

He did not die in Ukraine, but in a Russian prison.

Most likely at the bequest of Putin or his ilk.

As to what I believe, that would be once again that an independent autopsy and inquiry should be carried out to establish the real cause of the man's death.

Or do you disagree?

a reply to: andy06shake

I do.


I'm just showing how you'll fully believe an anonymous paramedic telling a story to a journalist over Russias enemy government.



The cognitive bias....as it were.

a reply to: JinMI

Just because you make the claim does not make it so.

Don't try and put words in other people's mouths, coz it won't work with me.

If I fully believed the story of the paramedic.

Why would I require or wish that an independent autopsy and/or inquiry be carried out?

Wee hole in you logic there methinks.

a reply to: andy06shake

Where is the hole in my logic that use your very own words and observations?

a reply to: JinMI

Who else's words would I use?

Buddy people who choose to believe a story or thing unequivocally.

Would hardly ask for or require an independent autopsy or inquiry.

That's where your hole is for a start.

Next.

a reply to: andy06shake

lol at your "nExT" are you 12?


I agree that it's reasonable to ask for the results of an independent autopsy.


However, the government of Ukraine is making the claim.

a reply to: JinMI

lol at your "nExT" are you 12?

Is that what you are into 12-year-olds?

Naw mate 48 so too old for you.

I agree that it's reasonable to ask for the results of an independent autopsy.

Good, at least that's reasonable, do you imagine Putin will allow it to happen?

However, the government of Ukraine is making the claim.

Again he died in a Russian prison, as to the claims being made, well once again those remain to be established and the only way to do so will be with an independent inquiry and autopsy.

a reply to: andy06shake

Is that what you are into 12-year-olds?

Naw mate 48 so too old for you.

I don't know what this means.

Good, at least that's reasonable, do you imagine Putin will allow it to happen?

Where is Navalny's body currently?

Again he died in a Russian prison, as to the claims being made, well once again those remain to be established and the only way to do so will be with an independent inquiry and autopsy.

So you don't believe Ukraine then. Neither do I for what it's worth.

a reply to: JinMI

I don't know what this means.

Well, that's handy.

Where is Navalny's body currently?

Im not sure, I'm not in Russia or a family member, a morgue somewhere would be my bet.

So you don't believe Ukraine then. Neither do I for what it's worth.

I certainly don't believe Putin or the claims of blood clots being of natural cause.

Again we need an independent inquiry and autopsy.

Lets hope that happens, at least we seem able to agree on that score.

a reply to: andy06shake

2 days ago his body was released to his mother.....

It's been my observation that those with the strongest opinions have the least amount of factual information. The point has been proven again.

I certainly don't believe Putin or the claims of blood clots being of natural cause.

Again, this was from Ukraine, not Putin.

a reply to: JinMI

See the "or" part.

And shes not got the poor fellow in the family freezer.

The body will be in a morgue or the undertakers, or else it's apt to start to smell for a start.

As to the body being released, it took them long enough, or even to let her see him, why do you imagine that was if indeed there was no foul play involved.

a reply to: andy06shake

I've not opined nor looked much into the circumstances of Navalny.


Why does this death spark so much ire from you?

a reply to: JinMI

Well, there is the fact that Putin did have the fellow poisoned, and then imprisoned on his return to Russia.

And now he turns up dead.

Don't you imagine the timing is somewhat precious?

Im not angry but I am interested to know what happened to the man and if he was murdered.

All of which an inquiry and private autopsy may reveal if allowed to take place.

a reply to: andy06shake

I do think the timing is suspicious or as you put it, precious.

Do you think Putin would have more or less deniability if Navalny was incarcerated or still free?


If he was murdered, would your opinion of Putin change versus dying of natural causes?


Should we ostracize political leaders who murder journalists?

a reply to: JinMI

Do you think Putin would have more or less deniability if Navalny was incarcerated or still free?

Its a good question, it did not stop him from trying to have him killed when he was free, so there is that.

If he was murdered, would your opinion of Putin change versus dying of natural causes?

I don't think it would change my opinion of the man, it may however serve to change some of the Russian people's opinions of their beloved leader.

Should we ostracize political leaders who murder journalists?

Like Prince Mohammed bin Salman for instance?

Alexei Navalny will be buried in Moscow on Friday afternoon.

Alexei Navalny's funeral and farewell ceremony will take place in Moscow on Friday, his spokesperson has said.

A ceremony will take place at a church in the southeastern Maryino district at 2pm local time (11am UK time), Kira Yarmysh said in a post to X.

In the post she told people to "come early".

A funeral will take place at the Borisov cemetery afterwards, she confirmed.

Yesterday we reported how Mr Navalny's team was struggling to find a site for his farewell ceremony as multiple venues were refusing access.

Ms Yarmysh said some would not mention the Kremlin critic's name and others were banned from working with them.
news.sky.com...

Nobel Peace Prize winner Oleg Orlov (70) was yesterday sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison for "discrediting the armed forces".

Hundreds have showed up for Navalny's funeral despite risk of being arrested.

a reply to: Threadbarer

45 detained, apparently.