The Border And Fentanyl

a reply to: chr0naut

Thanks , the DEA info was good . The solution you suggest might work , but in overall the whole drug thing is difficult/complicated ...and i dont have any first hand experience or even know people who use drugs, so i just dont know what is the right solution . The amount of fentanyl flowing to US is just staggering .

One fear might be that drug people start offer fentanyl for free to young children to get them addicted , which would cause epidemic OD ...

Clearly the Mexican cartels are a big part of the problem , and also leaky border . India should also do more to precursor chemical issue .

a reply to: chr0naut

perhaps making drugs legal like they did in Oregon would work. I mean, it's killing the folks who take the drugs, but on the bright side, you don't have them as a problem after that.

According to Multnomah County, the number of overdose fatalities involving fentanyl increased 533% between 2018 and 2022 in the county.

www.opb.org...

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut

perhaps making drugs legal like they did in Oregon would work. I mean, it's killing the folks who take the drugs, but on the bright side, you don't have them as a problem after that.

According to Multnomah County, the number of overdose fatalities involving fentanyl increased 533% between 2018 and 2022 in the county.

www.opb.org...

Do you ever read what you post? Disgusting comment saying very troubled people dying from ODs has a bright side.

Then the goverment take the Drugs to burn them all!
and the Dont put it on the street
and they Dont take a lot of the money.

As SOON as the agents take the drugs.
they should put a poison die with it.
Then burn it on the border in frount of all the agents.
a mobil truck to burn it!

or slip in a moblie tracker.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut

perhaps making drugs legal like they did in Oregon would work. I mean, it's killing the folks who take the drugs, but on the bright side, you don't have them as a problem after that.

According to Multnomah County, the number of overdose fatalities involving fentanyl increased 533% between 2018 and 2022 in the county.

www.opb.org...

They didn't decriminalize fentanyl. The drug that killed all those people.

And just decriminalizing drugs does not destroy the drug economy.

Nor would doctors prescribe fentanyl to addicts. They would prescribe maintenance doses of far safer opiates, similar to what has been done in other countries. This of course would not be an instantaneous solution, because there isn't one. It would take time to reduce the number of those addicted, but there is precedent that it is an effective method:

How Europe’s heroin capital solved its overdose crisis

Of course, it gives me pause as to what your motivation was to misrepresent the situation in Oregon? Do you have a vested interest?

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: chr0naut

Thanks , the DEA info was good . The solution you suggest might work , but in overall the whole drug thing is difficult/complicated ...and i dont have any first hand experience or even know people who use drugs, so i just dont know what is the right solution . The amount of fentanyl flowing to US is just staggering .

One fear might be that drug people start offer fentanyl for free to young children to get them addicted , which would cause epidemic OD ...

Clearly the Mexican cartels are a big part of the problem , and also leaky border . India should also do more to precursor chemical issue .

I am fairly sure that some dealer somewhere has already tried to addict some young people, as a way to ensure they have a constant array of buyers. The thing is, children don't have large disposable incomes, so it isn't a good business plan from the outset (thank God).

I had a friend who got involved with the illegal drug culture and one night at a nightclub he took what he thought was '___', but was probably PCP. After that night, he never seemed 'right' anymore.

But if you make the drugs unprofitable to the dealers and distributors, then they would be giving away the free samples for nothing, because it while it would make more addicts, they would likely never become customers of the dealer. And the criminals would realize that.

a reply to: chr0naut

I heard that fentanyl pills were .25 cents each now. How would kids ever afford that?

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
The Only Reason Fentanyl Exists and is so Readily Available is to Kill People .

I don't really agree though that seems to be the outcome. As I said 1 kg is like 10 million pills. Super cheap and you don't need tons of the stuff to make billions. The problem is such a small amount is death, so it is too easy to mix too much as to where it either works or kills.

This is all it takes to kill.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut

I heard that fentanyl pills were .25 cents each now. How would kids ever afford that?

The dealers would make more money as a janitor and they wouldn't get busted for it.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut

I heard that fentanyl pills were .25 cents each now. How would kids ever afford that?

The dealers would make more money as a janitor and they wouldn't get busted for it.

a reply to: quintessentone

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" The Only Reason Fentanyl Exists and is so Readily Available is to Kill People ."

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: quintessentone

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" The Only Reason Fentanyl Exists and is so Readily Available is to Kill People ."

That's the paranoid doom-porn reason for, well, just about anything.

If fentanyl was simply a poison, no-one would become addicted to it, because they would all be dead.

Absolutely, fentanyl is dangerous, but that does not fully explain the situation, and making such an un-rational statement about it does not allow for solutions to the several real-world problems the drug is causing.

a reply to: Kenzo

If closing the Southern border was the solution to the fentanyl crisis, why did the situation continue to get worse at times when the Southern border was closed under the Trump administration?

a reply to: chr0naut

" That's the paranoid doom-porn reason for, well, just about anything."

No , it's a Fact of Life . This Drug is a Lethal Weapon .

a reply to: chr0naut



I am far away from that border , but i dont remember seeing it newer as a closed border . I am sure someone here can clarify, was it ever really closed ? Trump got the fence building started, but it`s very long border ....

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: chr0naut

" That's the paranoid doom-porn reason for, well, just about anything."

No , it's a Fact of Life . This Drug is a Lethal Weapon .

So are house bricks and school busses.

How does that solve anything?

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: chr0naut

I am far away from that border , but i dont remember seeing it newer as a closed border . I am sure someone here can clarify, was it ever really closed ? Trump got the fence building started, but it`s very long border ....

There were a few times he closed it entirely, and he also increased border security.

But even Trump has acknowledged that hardly any drugs are carried on foot over the Southern border. It most usually arrives in the country in shipping containers or in peoples luggage at airports.

Which entirely explains why nothing that is done at the Southern border will solve the US's illegal drug problems.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Kenzo

If closing the Southern border was the solution to the fentanyl crisis, why did the situation continue to get worse at times when the Southern border was closed under the Trump administration?

first off, thank you for acknowledging that Trump was able to do what Biden is not, and close the southern border.
Second, do you have some data to back up that more fentanyl was coming in under Trump than Biden?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Kenzo

If closing the Southern border was the solution to the fentanyl crisis, why did the situation continue to get worse at times when the Southern border was closed under the Trump administration?

first off, thank you for acknowledging that Trump was able to do what Biden is not, and close the southern border.
Second, do you have some data to back up that more fentanyl was coming in under Trump than Biden?

No, I don't have that information.

However there are these media reports that would indicate that such was the case:

Synthet ic Opioid Overdose Deaths Soared While Trump Was President

Fentanyl Surge Started and Peaked Under Trump Despite GOP Blaming Biden

Ad Misleads on Percentage Increase in Fentanyl Seizures Under Biden

But I do have knowledge that the majority of fentanyl in the US has not come in over the Southern border. And I do know that diverting money and resources to increase security at the Southern border, is money not addressing US drug and crime problems.