No evidence for systematic voter fraud: A guide to statistical claims about the 2020 election

a reply to: bruce88

I'm not a Trump cultist so what points of my post were lies?

Try and address the post. I could have made more points.

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: midicon

The election was stolen by brainwashing the American public.

The only people brainwashed are trump's cultists who keep believing his "Big Lie", without any evidence!

Thats why there are literally dozens of videos of people stuffing ballot drop boxes. Stop lying.

I thought this video of Louder with Crowder was top notch journalism. An our long summary of driving passed adresses voted from in Vegas and Detroit that dont exist or are obviously wrong. After calling the organisation that manages the data the evidence is wiped a day later or so.

www.youtube.com...

Ow and 2000 mules was never debunked, all the leftwing hitpieces trying to debunk it with 0 substance were also thoroughly debunked again by Dinesh on youtube.

You can keep trying all you want but untill an agency we can trust investigates voter fraud the way it should be no opinion will shift an inch.

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

Ow and 2000 mules was never debunked,

Yes it has.... but loser trump cultists refuse to accept that fact.

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

Ow and 2000 mules was never debunked,

Yes it has.... but loser trump cultists refuse to accept that fact.

They have come up with mountains of conspiracy theories just because they can't accept their beloved saviour has lost the election.

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: midicon

The election was stolen by brainwashing the American public.

The only people brainwashed are trump's cultists who keep believing his "Big Lie", without any evidence!

Thats why there are literally dozens of videos of people stuffing ballot drop boxes. Stop lying.

I thought this video of Louder with Crowder was top notch journalism. An our long summary of driving passed adresses voted from in Vegas and Detroit that dont exist or are obviously wrong. After calling the organisation that manages the data the evidence is wiped a day later or so.

www.youtube.com...

Ow and 2000 mules was never debunked, all the leftwing hitpieces trying to debunk it with 0 substance were also thoroughly debunked again by Dinesh on youtube.

You can keep trying all you want but untill an agency we can trust investigates voter fraud the way it should be no opinion will shift an inch.

No evidence of 'stealing the election'
The same nonsense over the last 3 years entertained by right wing conspiracy theories.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Jane1B

When the courts simply say we do not want to hear your case it is hard to get a case started. The majority of the cases in states where this occurred simply shut it down.

Look up PEIC or Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity.

DHS has all of the information. Trump if re-elected would have been able to show ALL of the corruption and cheating but he did not win. THIS is a major reason they do not want him to win or to subpoena information in his other trials. It could be exposed.

Now, the reason we know this is the information was sent to NARA. Who is trying to get information right now during a trial frm NARA? I will give you one guess.

They don't want to hear the case because these nutcases have zero evidence for the claims they made.

If you think Trump doesn't represent the establishment or he is not part of this system then you must be living in a fantasy world.

originally posted by: Boomer1947

originally posted by: matafuchs
The reason I will always feel there was fraud consists of 2 parts.

1. He won on election night. It was over. I have never in my life ever had to wait weeks for states to give results.
2. He received over 8 million more votes than in 2016. Even Obama did not pull more votes his second term.

Those are the statistics I start with.

Then move on to the states that decided it. He was up in EVERY state. It used to always be the Democrats vote early and Republicans day of and in person. If you have watched ANY elections in your life you know this is the excuse they use to call early.

I do not dispute the 2020 election because of ANYTHING Donald Trump said or told me. He is not the issue. The issue is that for the first time in history they were caught red handed.

I mean, even the CHAD case in FL went to the SCOTUS and that was ONE state and a few votes.

It was done in a few states and we all know which ones they were.

1) You claim you've never had to wait weeks for states to decide votes, but then refer to the 2000 election in which the election results weren't decided until December 12, by a SC decision. That decision gave Florida to Bush instead of Gore and Florida going to Bush is what gave him the Presidency. Seems like a pretty good example of having to wait weeks for a decision.

Which is exactly what you would expect in states where the race is close and the margin of victory is slim. In those conditions it's always going to take a while to count, recount, and respond to court challenges.

2) Yes, Trump got many more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016, but the voter turnout in 2020 was about 23 million greater in 2020 than it was in 2016:

en.wikipedia.org...

In fact the voter turnout as a fraction of the eligible population was the highest it had been in the last 120 years.

That's not because Biden is a really exciting individual, it's because Trump is a POS. More people turned out to vote against nut job Trump and thought the the normal, old guy, politician Biden was acceptable.

Even so, Trump did slightly better in 2020 than he did in 2016, as a fraction of the popular votes cast--46.85% in 2020 compared to 46.1% in 2016. What made the difference is that 5.7% of the total popular vote in 2016 went to third party candidates, but in 2020 less than 2% went to third parties.

They forgot how George Bush was elected and their version of reality is different to mine and yours.

Feeding them with facts isn't recommended.
Conspiracy theories are way better for the Trump supporters.

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

Ow and 2000 mules was never debunked,

Yes it has.... but loser trump cultists refuse to accept that fact.

Yea explain to me how the videos from government cameras of the same people at different mail drop boxes were debunked, instead of calling people names.

Or explain how Crowders investigative journalism was debunked exactly?

originally posted by: Jane1B

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

Ow and 2000 mules was never debunked,

Yes it has.... but loser trump cultists refuse to accept that fact.

They have come up with mountains of conspiracy theories just because they can't accept their beloved saviour has lost the election.

Uhuh but when the left said it in 2016 it was all true. Youve been believing the conspiracy theories about Trump without a shred of evidence (contrary to the heaps of video evidence there is with voting fraud) but now suddenly conspiracy theory is a dirty word or so?

No evidence? A video is not evidence? Ok.. I think Ive read enough from you. You cant have a decent mature discussion.

originally posted by: Jane1B

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

Ow and 2000 mules was never debunked,

Yes it has.... but loser trump cultists refuse to accept that fact.

They have come up with mountains of conspiracy theories just because they can't accept their beloved saviour has lost the election.

Trump lost the election, then they lost over 60 court cases (no evidence of any election fraud was shown anywhere) then every recount, every audit (even the one done by the Cyber Clowns) showed that loser trump lost. Then Mike Lumpy Pillow Lindell held three "Cyber Symposiums" where each time he vowed he would show evidence of voter fraud, and each time he failed to show any evidence. He even promised $5million in a ‘Prove Mike Wrong’ election-fraud challenge - he lost the challenge, and has to pay $5million.

All trump supporters have to show election fraud is their cult leader, loser trump, said there was election fraud, so they blindly believe that Big Lie!

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2
Yea explain to me how the videos from government cameras of the same people at different mail drop boxes were debunked,

There was nothing to debunk, the camera's simply showed people dropping ballots into the drop boxes - you must not realise that is why the drop boxes were there, for people to drop ballots into! They are allowed to drop off family members ballots as well.

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: Jane1B

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

Ow and 2000 mules was never debunked,

Yes it has.... but loser trump cultists refuse to accept that fact.

They have come up with mountains of conspiracy theories just because they can't accept their beloved saviour has lost the election.

Trump lost the election, then they lost over 60 court cases (no evidence of any election fraud was shown anywhere) then every recount, every audit (even the one done by the Cyber Clowns) showed that loser trump lost. Then Mike Lumpy Pillow Lindell held three "Cyber Symposiums" where each time he vowed he would show evidence of voter fraud, and each time he failed to show any evidence. He even promised $5million in a ‘Prove Mike Wrong’ election-fraud challenge - he lost the challenge, and has to pay $5million.

All trump supporters have to show election fraud is their cult leader, loser trump, said there was election fraud, so they blindly believe that Big Lie!

No what happened is those courts denied the cases, the cases never made it to court so they werent lost... Also youre not explaining what I asked you.

Blindly believing a lie? I point you to video evidence, you need eyes for that. But apparantly like Jane said videos arent evidence anymore in your bubble 🥹

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2
Yea explain to me how the videos from government cameras of the same people at different mail drop boxes were debunked,

There was nothing to debunk, the camera's simply showed people dropping ballots into the drop boxes - you must not realise that is why the drop boxes were there, for people to drop ballots into! They are allowed to drop off family members ballots as well.

And why exactly would they do that in different drop boxes? Comeon you cant be this naive.

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2
No what happened is those courts denied the cases, the cases never made it to court

Yes they did, here is a list of the failed cases, and the reason they failed
www.legalexaminer.com...

With Judges comments like
"It is not in the power of this Court to violate the Constitution,” Judge Matthew Brann of the US District Court in the Middle District of Pennsylvania wrote as he dismissed Trump’s federal lawsuit that he said attempted to “discard millions of votes legally cast by Pennsylvanians from all corners.”"
and
In a concurring opinion, Judge David Wecht wrote: “They have failed to allege that even a single mail-in ballot was fraudulently cast or counted.”
and
Tuesday, Pennsylvania U.S. District Judge Judge Matthew Brann asked Trump’s lawyer, Rudolph Guiliani, “At bottom, you’re asking this court to invalidate some 6.8 million votes thereby disenfranchising every single voter in the commonwealth. Can you tell me how this result could possibly be justified?”

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

And why exactly would they do that in different drop boxes?

There is zero evidence that was done....

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

And why exactly would they do that in different drop boxes?

There is zero evidence that was done....

Yea its shown in 2000 mules with video evidence.

Look what youre doing is explaining away possible fraud, theres no way for us to know 100%. Im saying investigate it and then Ill make up my mind. Untill then yea Im not going to believe some made up explanation that all those videos are just good people with normal voting behaviour, Ill go with the conspiracy and have 0 shame of doing so. Its pure logic.

Excuse me but people without number plates, with hoodies on and covid masks outside, putting multiple ballots with one glove in a drop box dont strike me as innocent behaviour. If you were honest you would also want this investigated properly instead of explained away by some talking heads on MSNBC.

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

Yea its shown in 2000 mules with video evidence.

No it is not...

Excuse me but people without number plates,

not all states require 2 number plates, and exactly where in the video does it show this?

with hoodies on and covid masks outside

So no one is allowed to wear a hoodie in the USA? Show me where that is stated in a law!
Very sensible to wear a mask during a covid pandemic!

putting multiple ballots with one glove in a drop box

What is wrong with that? People are allowed to deposit more than one ballot in a drop box - where exactly is that shown in the video?

If you were honest you would also want this investigated properly

So you want people wearing hoodies investigated?
You want people wearing a mask during a covid pandemic investigated?
You want people wearing gloves investigated?

Why?

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

originally posted by: Jane1B

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

Ow and 2000 mules was never debunked,

Yes it has.... but loser trump cultists refuse to accept that fact.

They have come up with mountains of conspiracy theories just because they can't accept their beloved saviour has lost the election.

Uhuh but when the left said it in 2016 it was all true. Youve been believing the conspiracy theories about Trump without a shred of evidence (contrary to the heaps of video evidence there is with voting fraud) but now suddenly conspiracy theory is a dirty word or so?

No evidence? A video is not evidence? Ok.. I think Ive read enough from you. You cant have a decent mature discussion.

I am not a Trump supporter to believe in conspiracy theories. I suppose you are and you gladly follow your leader.

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: ElitePlebeian2

Yea its shown in 2000 mules with video evidence.

No it is not...

Excuse me but people without number plates,

not all states require 2 number plates, and exactly where in the video does it show this?

with hoodies on and covid masks outside

So no one is allowed to wear a hoodie in the USA? Show me where that is stated in a law!
Very sensible to wear a mask during a covid pandemic!

putting multiple ballots with one glove in a drop box

What is wrong with that? People are allowed to deposit more than one ballot in a drop box - where exactly is that shown in the video?

If you were honest you would also want this investigated properly

So you want people wearing hoodies investigated?
You want people wearing a mask during a covid pandemic investigated?
You want people wearing gloves investigated?

Why?

If you are going to discuss the video, you should at the very least, watch the video. Taking cliff notes from others who also didn't watch the video makes you look dumb.