The Cabal, British style

Yeah, the source.

But this is actually an interesting commentary by David Maddox concerning what he terms,

the way British democracy has been hijacked.

Short version is there is a clique in the Tories who control who gets to be MPs and who gets to be the Prime Minister.

Stinky stuff, but then, politics all over appear that way anymore.

Cheers

Its no different in the labour party, shadowy commissions choosing candidates and parachuting them into constituencies. Local people never get a look in, they just arent important.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Gove is reputed to be involved in this. That would not surprise me.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


Yeah always thought he was a sneaky little backstabber of a bloke, dead right for this kind of group.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

There definitely is and there is also one in the Labour Party that has undermined and damaged the Labour party to no end.

Out of the TWO party's the labour party was actually the only one that was Democratic but it is NOT democratic any longer with the coup against traditionalist labour and the majority of Labour voters worked by the false AKA NEW Labour party members and there backers.

At one Time the Labour party drew it's funding primarily from trades unions and small private donations that is until NEW Labour came into being and then at that time they became a Clone of the Tories taking kick backs, under the table bribes cash for honours and having very wealthy private backers that completely undermined the very heart of the Labour party and its' formerly democratic process.

The Tories meanwhile have almost always been a part of the rich, by the rich and for the rich and that these days means a lot of foreign rich that are not even for our nation but only interested in there own control of world events and politics as well as turning Britain into a tax haven with cuts to tax's for the rich, a lift on the cap on bankers bonuses etc.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2
See the famous article in the Spectator 17th January 1964, following the change in Conservative leadership from Harold Macmillan to Sir Alec Douglas-Home. It gave rise to the expression "The Magic Circle", as a description of the Tory elite.

This kind of thing is not new. In fact it's the only way that political groups can be made to work.

originally posted by: Labtech767Two
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

There definitely is and there is also one in the Labour Party that has undermined and damaged the Labour party to no end.

Out of the TWO party's the labour party was actually the only one that was Democratic but it is NOT democratic any longer with the coup against traditionalist labour and the majority of Labour voters worked by the false AKA NEW Labour party members and there backers.

At one Time the Labour party drew it's funding primarily from trades unions and small private donations that is until NEW Labour came into being and then at that time they became a Clone of the Tories taking kick backs, under the table bribes cash for honours and having very wealthy private backers that completely undermined the very heart of the Labour party and its' formerly democratic process.

The Tories meanwhile have almost always been a part of the rich, by the rich and for the rich and that these days means a lot of foreign rich that are not even for our nation but only interested in there own control of world events and politics as well as turning Britain into a tax haven with cuts to tax's for the rich, a lift on the cap on bankers bonuses etc.

And today there is news that the shadow Chancellor, Rachel Reeves is an admirer of Thatcher.....she shouldn't be within a thousand miles of the Labour party with views like that.
sauce

originally posted by: DISRAELI2
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2
See the famous article in the Spectator 17th January 1964, following the change in Conservative leadership from Harold Macmillan to Sir Alec Douglas-Home. It gave rise to the expression "The Magic Circle", as a description of the Tory elite.

This kind of thing is not new. In fact it's the only way that political groups can be made to work.

Well, Dis, this may be naive, but shouldn't the public have a say in who is elected vice backroom operators like Gove?

Cheers

a reply to: SprocketUK

"Yeah always thought he was a sneaky little backstabber of a bloke, dead right for this kind of group."

Perfect description of Gove. I'd use some other words to describe him too, but they're not allowed on here!

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Much as I like the mods and appreciate the hard work they do I chose my words very carefully so as not to get yet another PM from them

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

We elect a party over here, the Party gets to decide who leads it.

It's the old greasy pole thing.

Backstabbing is rife.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2
They do that at the ballot box.

And I'm talking about what happens in reality, rather than what "ought to happen" in abstract morality. Human social groups do not actually operate without people in the group taking the lead. This has been the experience of a few thousand years of human history.

originally posted by: DISRAELI2
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2
They do that at the ballot box.

And I'm talking about what happens in reality, rather than what "ought to happen" in abstract morality. Human social groups do not actually operate without people in the group taking the lead. This has been the experience of a few thousand years of human history.

Dis,

I agree about 'taking the lead', but this case isn't leadership. It is a backroom subversion of the political process. Real leaders do not operate in secret cliques, they are open and largely transparent in their actions. What that says about political processes in western society ... well, interesting to say the least.

If Gove et al believe the party system in the UK really should operate in this fashion, then they should go public with their views and see how they reverberate with the British public.

Cheers

Oh. My:

BBC News - Nadine Dorries book and Dr No: The Plot thickens
www.bbc.co.uk...


"Nadine Dorries' latest book The Plot claims that British politics is controlled, not by the voters, but by a shady faction, who have been at the heart of the Conservative Party for more than 20 years, pulling strings, pushing agendas and toppling leaders"


The plot does indeed, thicken.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Is that like saying.. the UK is an occupied state.

a reply to: purplemer

No.

Occupied, by whom?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

by a shady faction that have been at the heart of the Conservative Party for more than 20 years, pulling strings, pushing agendas and toppling leaders"

Wonder who might be pulling their strings..

a reply to: purplemer

What do you think "occupied" means?

Have you read my posts?

a reply to: DISRAELI2

This kind of thing is not new. In fact it's the only way that political groups can be made to work.

Its the only way political groups can be made to work for someone else..

Any idea who they might be working for.. Remember back in 2010 half shadow cabinet are members of the Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI)

Inside Britain's Israel Lobby claims that donations to the Conservative party "from all CFI members and their businesses add up to well over £10m over the last eight years"

that was over ten years ago....

"The pro-Israel lobby … is the most powerful political lobby," Michael Mates, a Conservative MP and privy councillor, told the film-makers. "There's nothing to touch them...

One does have to wonder when one follows the money