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If I was a betting man, some of this non-human intelligence, they're similarly as advanced as us, but they've just made asymmetric evolution, they went a different path. Where we made nuclear weapons and stuff, they ended up making this civil propulsion kind of equivalent discovery where they're able to do this now but they're actually not that much more advanced than you and I.
It seems like you already know the truth deep down, but you're waiting for it to be called normal before you
accept it. It's okay dude. It's real.
Interesting video, but what about Hugh Everett's theory?
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
There are essentially two main interpretations of Quantum Mechanics but we don't know which one is correct. There is the Copenhagen Interpretation which says the wave collapse is truly random, meaning the future is uncertain and not yet determined. Then there's the Many Worlds Interpretation which says every possible outcome of the wave collapse actually happens, it just looks random to us because we only see one outcome.
Many Worlds tells us there's actually a different reality for every possible outcome, and these alternate universes are all co-existing at the same time as our universe but we are unable to interact with those other universes, at least for now. And what of Pilot Wave Theory you ask? It always struck me as an ad-hoc theory to avoid the spooky nature of Quantum Mechanics. Turns out Pilot Wave theory is probably just a less developed version of Many Worlds:
It seems clear that DeWitt and Graham consider that the multitude of branching worlds are “real” in the ordinary sense of the word. In this sense, their Many Worlds perspective certainly departs from Everett’s intent.
In a 1976 philosophy paper on the interpretation of quantum mechanics, Levy-Leblond offers critical comments on the many worlds interpretation and compared it to his understanding of Everett’s theory.
Now, my criticism here is exactly symmetrical of the one I directed against the orthodox position: the “many worlds” idea again is a left-over of classical conceptions. The coexisting branches here, as the unique surviving one in the Copenhagen point of view, can only be related to “worlds” described by classical physics. The difference is that, instead of interpreting the quantum “plus” as a classical “or”, De Witt et al. interpret it as a classical “and”. To me, the deep meaning of Everett's ideas is not the coexistence of many worlds, but on the contrary, the existence of a single quantum one. The main drawback of the “many-worlds” terminology is that it leads one to ask the question of “what branch we are on”, since it certainly looks as if our consciousness definitely belonged to only one world at a time: But this question only makes sense from a classical point of view, once more. It becomes entirely irrelevant as soon as one commits oneself to a consistent quantum view.
In a letter to Levy-Leblond (Barrett 2011), Everett indicated that he quite agreed with Levy-Leblond’s argument and emphasized that the many worlds terminology was not his. I’m sympathetic with this view.
Yet nobody here bothered to contact the girl who posted her e-mail here and said she was one of the ariel students who made it up. Seems to me like people don't want to know the truth if they didn't even follow up with her. If she said it was real they would have included her in the documentary.
originally posted by: TheValeyard
Yes! That case is such a smoking gun.
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
I'm one of the kids in these photo's. I remember this well. We made it up - Sorry. By the way there was a documentary on UFO's the night before, more or less everyone had a TV at that stage and for those who didn't it was still a cool story to get in on
I'm in the last photo. You may email me if you like. [email protected]
Yet nobody here bothered to contact the girl who posted her e-mail here and said she was one of the ariel students who made it up. Seems to me like people don't want to know the truth if they didn't even follow up with her. If she said it was real they would have included her in the documentary.
My personal belief is that the so called "Mandela Effect" is in fact proof of the many worlds theory as well as explaining many aspects of the UAP/UFO activity.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
I was more interested in your thoughts on the topic of this thread, the so called "many worlds" being a misinterpretation of the original theory by Everett. Hugh Everett says his theory was misinterpreted by some, and it's not a many worlds theory at all, but the theory is instead for a universal wave function for a single quantum world. But only a handful of people seem to be aware of this.
The many-worlds interpretation (MWI) is a philosophical position about how the mathematics used in quantum mechanics relates to physical reality. It asserts that the universal wavefunction is objectively real, and that there is no wave function collapse.[1] This implies that all possible outcomes of quantum measurements are physically realized in some "world" or universe.[2]
Many-worlds interpretation
In that sense we can think of the different worlds as separate patterns of ripples on the surface of a pond. They overlap in location but are so hopelessly out of phase that they can never interfere with each other, they just pass straight through. In our pond analogy, it's as though the ripples that make up the other worlds feel all locations with all possible phases and so it's as though those ripples aren't there at all. A ripple pattern, a world, is only there if you share a phase relationship with it.
The Copenhagen Interpretation itself proposes multiple worlds in the superposition of paths or properties of a quantum system. Both Many Worlds and the Copenhagen Interpretation create alternate realities. It's just that Copenhagen merges them into a single timeline with its wave function collapse. The superposition of states of Many Worlds can be thought of as overlayed histories, slices of a universal wavefunction that diverge from each other as the universe evolves, but none ever vanish. Many Worlds may in fact be the more pure interpretation of the mathematics of quantum mechanics because there's nothing in that math that requires the collapse of the wave function.
On the Ariel case, I'm not convinced by a single post either, but I do find it interesting that nobody even tried to follow up with her, except Oberg years later. What I do find supporting of it being made up is that if you look at the drawings, they are all different enough to support it being made up. The saucers are different, the number of them is different, the humanoids are not only different in number but have vastly different appearances, the drawings are completely inconsistent so it's certainly no smoking gun.
I already posted a reference to that, it doesn't appear Everett likes it, does it? Did you read that? Also citing mainstream sources stating otherwise is not really convincing me since I already stated it doesn't appear most mainstream folks are up to speed on the Everett's interpretation of Everett's theory. You say they "infer" many worlds, but Everett, the author of the theory, apparently "infers" something else, that the the other worlds are "or", not "and". Also there are some notable luminaries who apparently supported Everett's theory and don't favor the use of "many worlds" terminology to describe it, such as Stephen Hawking and Murray Gell-Mann.
originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I highly doubt you will find a direct quote from Hugh Everett saying he opposes the idea of Many Worlds, that is the fundamental idea behind the theories he developed, whether he likes it or not.
In Everett’s own words, “The aim is not to deny or contradict the conventional formulation of quantum theory, which has demonstrated its usefulness in an overwhelming variety of problems, but rather to supply a new, more general and complete formulation, from which the conventional interpretation can be deduced.”[8] Thus, it is not surprising that Stephen Hawking and Nobel laureate Murray Gell-Mann, supporters of the Everett interpretation, have expressed reservations with the name “multiple worlds interpretation,” and therefore we will continue to refer to the theory simply as the Everett interpretation instead.[16]
I think people who think those drawings are consistent are living in a fantasy. I posted some examples that I believe show too much difference to be drawings of a real event. I'll link to them since I already posted them where they are on-topic, in an Ariel thread here:
I actually arrived at the opposite conclusion. The drawings and their stories all seem way too consistent to be fabricated. You have to remember they are children and they aren't going to draw things perfectly. But for the most part they drew exactly the same things. The same saucer type UFO and the same Grey-type aliens wearing black skin-tight suits.
I already posted a reference to that, it doesn't appear Everett likes it, does it? Did you read that? Also citing mainstream sources stating otherwise is not really convincing me since I already stated it doesn't appear most mainstream folks are up to speed on the Everett's interpretation of Everett's theory.
The examples shown are one student drawing 5 saucers while another student drew only one saucer. So how many were there, one or five? They may be children, but they can tell the difference between one and five. Similar problems with the number of humanoids, one or two (or more), how many were there? Did they have huge dreadlocks down to their waist that dominated the drawing, or are they practically bald or have short blonde hair instead? Those are just some examples of huge differences in drawings that don't support a real event. I expect modest differences, but the difference between one saucer and five saucers is just too much to explain rationally.
You think that the children's imaginations are getting carried away with them, but I became convinced when I saw the drawings, because so many of the drawings were similar, and also when they wrote their stories in their story books. They definitely seem genuine because I mean they all wrote completely different stories but they had seen the same thing, and I think that's what convinced me because I was as skeptical as everybody else.
As an investigator, I've learned that if they tell exactly the same story then there's corroboration, they've got together and they're doing it. But if they tell a similar story, but from different view points, to me that's the truth.
What really sold me was they all describe the same event using different terminology.
"It was 4 feet tall."
"It was as big as a 3rd grader."
"It was 1 to 1.5 meters."
"It was a short man."
"It was as tall as my Sheep George."
60 liars would have colluded together and said "if they ask how tall everyone say it was 4 feet.'