The dark side is a lie (your ego too), try and let the light in

a reply to: pthena

I am not you. You are not me.

What if the things that made people so seemingly different and opposed to each others where just by products of their respectives ego ? What if deep down, everyone could find some common ground while retaining their individuality while stirring no destructive conflicts ? What if the reason this does not happen often and even seem impossible is because people tend to misinterpret each others and twist the intended meaning of their words ? I know I do it as well sometime, it really can be hard to truly listen.

Considering that english (not just english though, french as well and others) have many meanings for various words, add to this our many bias of perception shaped by our own often negative experiences, the fact that empathy is sometime rare, that our societies are stressful by design and our own pride tends to get in the way of us ever being seen as vulnerable, it is no wonder at all ego and isolation seem so prevalent.

a reply to: Seeker42

There is objective reality,
Personal (ego) perception of reality,
and fantasy and dream.

I know perceptively through my ego that I exist within objective reality. You probably do too objectively.

How would you like it if someone told you that there is no objective reality? All is a dream of some sort being had by some one of some sort. Would you think that was wisdom that you should learn, or would you consider it to be nonsense?

Ego is not bad. Ego is the self's center of perception processing and decision making.

You may consider reading I and Thou by Martin Buber. At least a summery of the ideas. Maybe I should too, I may be misremembering something.

a reply to: Seeker42

What if the things that made people so seemingly different and opposed to each others where just by products of their respectives ego ?

I have now re-read the Wikipedia summary of Buber's book. Now I remember what I found unsatisfactory. When I-Thou relationship is established (in conversation for example) there is implied a replacement of I-It. I-It though does not cease in my view. Two people do not become one. No person ever knows another person that well.

I have siblings. They may think they know me, but they don't. They know things about me, but not me. I can tell by things they say about what I think or may do. Totally wrong. Totally not me. I am still It.

To extend this to God then. A totally different dynamic. People know things about people. I know nothing about God. There can be no I-It relationship. There can be I-Thou however.

Perhaps God is not a thing; does not exist as a thing apart.

I left imagination out of that first list. But I imagine such to be the case.

I may possibly be labeled panentheist. Good enough for now.

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Seeker42

What if the things that made people so seemingly different and opposed to each others where just by products of their respectives ego ?

To extend this to God then. A totally different dynamic. People know things about people. I know nothing about God.

God is said to be all knowing......so 'you' (as ego, mind, body) cannot know God.
Realise that your true nature is awareness......aware of what's showing up -thoughts, sensations, sounds are all passing.......but what knows this?

a reply to: Seeker42

Language actually lies and makes believe that there are separate things....

Listen to at least the 1st few minutes of this:

If you are claiming that evil doesn't exist, or that there is no 'dark side' in which people have sold their souls into the service of Satanic powers - then you are either an idiot, or deluded. What about people who rape & murder infants? Is that not evil of an anti-human, alien, Satanic type? Of course it is. As is the urge to plant bombs in crowded market places, or set fire to theatres & nightclubs, or shoot a bunch of schoolchildren cowering in their classrooms.

Get real, get some common sense & wisdom. To use the analogy of Star Wars it is clear that your thinking is far removed from actual tangible reality & all the mess & chaos which occurs when people give in to the darker urges they experience, which are often directly inspired by demonic spirits. Anyone who understands even the basics understands that there are demonic forces operant in this world. Thankfully there are counter-forces, from the angelic realm, and God/ his operatives do sovereignly intervene sometimes to avert some major disaster. But in general God doesn't violate the principle of free will for all people at all times. The only time a person's self-will is overridden is when they are possessed fully by a demonic entity against their will. That is rare, but usually occurs because of some great evil which that person has perpetrated over time. There are exceptions, and indeed there is a degree of demoni persecution of the righteous, which is mysterious - but whatever its cause, we must face it & fight against it. There are also cases of what is known as 'perfect possession' in which the human agrees to share his body with a powerful demonic spirit, these people are known as warlocks, and witches. You may scoff, but they & their powers are real, and very dangerous.

My wife carries an anointing for the discerning of spirits - one of the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit available by God's grace to practicing Christians. Only yesterday she was in the GP surgery waiting room, and a woman who seemed perfectly ordinary, an NHS worker in her uniform, began to manifest deep discomfort arising from demonic oppression in her soul. Her face began to twitch violently, she stared with malicious intent at my wife, then began to move around awkwardly & uncomfortably. This often occurs because the presence of the Holy Spirit in power can cause terrible discomfort for the oppressing spirit, making it lose its facade of control over the human it is attached to. This has happened many times to my wife in public situations - she is learning more about this gift, we imagine she is called to participate in deliverance prayer ministry, but due to health until recently she wouldn't have been able to fulfil that call. In the future she is likely to become part of the prayer team at our church - there are always people who need to be set free from controlling demonic entities, which can be done through deliverance prayer as a sort of informal exorcism (which often has more power to heal & cast out spirits than the traditional Catholic methods, which have lost much of their power & often fail..)

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

great movie and tune.

fun fact, the sax player in Eddie and the Cruisers is the actual sax player in the song, recorded by John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band.

a reply to: pthena

Thank you for entertaining the idea with me even if you dont really see it the same way. I too have siblings, one of them in particular I can have pretty clear conversations with, finding little ground for misunderstanding. We may understand each other better, but it is far from boring, we just take the time to listen to each other, talk with respect and have a great time overall. Of course, some misunderstanding remain, but I dont feel our egos get in the way.

When you talk about how accepting a worldview where everyone is one single person deep down would be something to reject and not desirable wisdom, I understand. In light of my own beliefs and views, I have sometime wondered if this is what I should come to realise eventually, that we are all one. It seems very lonely and ''us'' being scattered on earth without even knowing ''we are one'' would be a great suffering to go through considering how bad things can get here because of human conflicts.

Thankfully, I did not reach this conclusion yet, I still believe I have individuality, just as you do. Still, we could probably realise we are not ''so'' different if we just took enough time to reach understanding togheter without letting our pride get in the way. We may find we have more in common than we imagined. From my perspective, ego is never truly mandatory for experiencing this life. The experience is perceived from our souls and Spirit I would say, not ego. It is only a made up personality we carry from childhood, one we try to protect from bruises, sometime by stepping on others people's head.

Now forgive me, I know this is already a long reply, but I read a book as a child. It tends to make me think about this concept. It was about a bird who suffered forced evolution and became a gigantic predator. It kept screaming ''Craque ou Casse'' (crack or break) while chasing menacingly its prey. I like to imagine it means that until the ego is cracked (let some light in) or broken (completely out of the picture) we are going to operate somewhat like this vindinctive bird did. A soul without an ego to opress it has greater freedom to be itself.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I checked a bit your video and I have to agree with this man's idea. Language is often used in an imprecise manner, words being limited as they are. I heard somewhere that when you start talking, what you speak is essentially already something of a lie, regardless of how true the idea you wished to share was. I wonder how true this is.

a reply to: Seeker42

Language makes believe there is a you that exists separate from what's occurring.

AI is yet another form of the Dark Side

read and prepare: www.technocracy.news...:cool




i shall investigate in replacing my 'mouse'... it must be sticking to get all these multiple posts in error...patience please