Children on puberty blockers saw mental health change - new analysis

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

Gender variance/incongruence and homosexuality are all a part of the natural range of human expression and are not “mental illnesses” in and of themselves.

Are you also conflating sex and gender? Because I've been repeatedly told these are to separate things having nothing to do with each other.

Gender dysphoria is a mental condition defined as the distress, discomfort and impairment one may experience with a severe incongruence between one’s core self perceived gender/identity/personality and anatomy.

It's defined as a mental disorder. Don't blame me, I didn't define it.

If gender variance/incongruence is part of the natural range of human expression, is it fair to ask of it's history in humanity?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Consider yourself lucky with your kids, but being well adapted and happy in a sick society isn't proof of mental health at all. all you did is indoctrinate them with the right doctrine, so they can function in Society. just another brick in the wall.

Exactly, it's all about the parenting, and depressions are a result of it too. Suppressed gender dysphoria will lead to depression too.

So what?

a reply to: Daughter2

Are you sure? Dumbo ears? Teeth correction? Nose surgery? Circumcision?
Those are pretty comon surgeries with only psychological benefits if any...

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

I wasn't saying try to change how they thought of themselves. This would not be conversion therapy - in fact the opposite.
It's acceptance of their mind AND body.

You want to accept their mind but agree with their non-acceptance of their body.

Many women do suddenly find themselves without a uterus or breasts. Men lose their reproductive parts through cancer too. And yes, it is distressing. But the first priority is always to keep them physically healthy. People through therapy can learn to accept their bodies.

But here is an interesting question - what if this disorder was due to a chemical imbalance that could be cured with a pill?

a reply to: JinMI

It's defined as a mental disorder. Don't blame me, I didn't define it.

Yes, so was homosexual!
you come off like the homophobes that used the antique definition to justify their hatred...

That's the only thing you could be blamed for, and rightly so.

Suit yourself

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: JinMI

It's defined as a mental disorder. Don't blame me, I didn't define it.

Yes, so was homosexual!
you come off like the homophobes that used the antique definition to justify their hatred...

That's the only thing you could be blamed for, and rightly so.

Suit yourself

You never fail to produce the most meaningless posts.

The lack of actual substance here is astounding.

Even your attempt at an insult is a misnomer.

a reply to: JinMI

oh, so you see the problem, and decided to be that person in the face of history. Well, I guess, thanks for your service, and enjoy the historical role and its reenactment, don't play victim though that's not part of the role.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: JinMI

oh, so you see the problem, and decided to be that person in the face of history. Well, I guess, thanks for your service, and enjoy the historical role and its reenactment, don't play victim though that's not part of the role.

More empty rhetoric.

*yawn*

originally posted by: JinMI
Are you also conflating sex and gender? Because I've been repeatedly told these are to separate things having nothing to do with each other.

How in the world did you come up with that? Anyone with a brain and a dictionary can see while they may be related to one another they are not equivalent terms when discussing human beings.

Gender dysphoria is a mental condition defined as the distress, discomfort and impairment one may experience with a severe incongruence between one’s core self perceived gender/identity/personality and anatomy.

It's defined as a mental disorder. Don't blame me, I didn't define it.

I really couldn't care less what is called. The concept of gender dysphoria didn't even exist until 1974.

Paraphrasing from various sources

"Because gender dysphoria is included in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the DSM) it is diagnosed as a mental disorder, experts said. But the gender incongruence — having a gender identity that’s not the one assigned at birth — isn’t what makes gender dysphoria a mental disorder. Having clinically significant distress around the incongruence is what makes it a disorder.

“Like all DSM illnesses, one key component of depression, anxiety, schizophrenia, all of that, is that you have to be functionally impaired by it, otherwise it doesn’t count as a diagnosis.

Gender dysphoria’s inclusion in the DSM is also necessary for access to gender-affirming care so gender dysphoria being in the DSM is partly a pragmatic issue."

Not everyone experiencing or expressing gender incongruence has gender dysphoria.

If gender variance/incongruence is part of the natural range of human expression, is it fair to ask of it's history in humanity?

Well, it is mentioned in that Jesus book so there's that and maybe this will help: Transgender history or there's this massive site: A Gender Variance Who's Who "the most comprehensive site on the web devoted to trans history and biography. Well over 1400 persons worthy of note, both famous and obscure, are discussed in detail, and many more are mentioned in passing".

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

How in the world did you come up with that? Anyone with a brain and a dictionary can see while they may be related to one another they are not equivalent terms when discussing human beings.

Because you put them in the same bucket with human expression.......

While I am an admitted moron, even I know the sum and substance of a single sentence.

I really couldn't care less what is called. The concept of gender dysphoria didn't even exist until 1974.

Then why use words to communicate at all? Is this how this conversation is going to go, because we can go there, I'm game.

Gender dysphoria’s inclusion in the DSM is also necessary for access to gender-affirming care so gender dysphoria being in the DSM is partly a pragmatic issue."

Is this why you don't care what it's called?

Not everyone experiencing or expressing gender incongruence has gender dysphoria.

Nope, guess not. Only when it's convenient.....right?

originally posted by: JinMI
Then why use words to communicate at all? Is this how this conversation is going to go, because we can go there, I'm game. ...

Is this why you don't care what it's called?

Sometimes I use words or phrases with the intent of dumbing things down for those who might not grasp things unless expressed in simple terms - you know, the least common denominator thing which seems especially important for some here? Sometimes I use big words imagining eyes glazed over in bewilderment and confusion while amusing at my own cleverness. LOL !!

I don't care what it is called because a rose by any other name is still a rose. There have been a variety of names describing the same condition but it is still the same thing. Although not exactly a fan of the term gender dysphoria, I use it because it has come to have some common understanding and dawg forbid I call it transsexualism or transsexuality lest the transgender crowd come after me for being non-inclusive and using supposedly deprecated words.

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

I heard another one recently, gender fluidity.

Thoughts?


Should gender dysphoria no longer be a mental disorder, what would be the fallout?

And speak plainly, if I don't capture your words your meaning, that's not your problem.

originally posted by: JinMI
I heard another one recently, gender fluidity.

Thoughts?

Every person is a mix of masculine and feminine qualities, energies, abilities, interests and behaviors so in some ways, you might say everyone is a bit gender fluid? I guess some need feel the need to have a special label or make distinctions between these different aspects of themselves kind of like those that have come up with 72 genders?

I honestly don’t see any scientific reasoning for this other than the desire for non-conformity or uniqueness and perhaps an overactive self obsession? I think it also deals mostly with the outward expression and performance of gender by presenting masculine at times and feminine at others rather than a deeply held identity. It may also indicate a degree of gender dysphoria and maybe avoidance of committing to being one or the other? Who knows?

These are just my own crackpot theories on your specific question and I’m an old straight binary hetero boomer so what do I know about this newfangled stuff anyway? I have never known someone “gender fluid” so this is beyond my experience but if that is something that floats their boat, more power to them. I am not one to judge this sort of thing even if I think it is kind of odd.

Should gender dysphoria no longer be a mental disorder, what would be the fallout?

It is hard to say? Maybe less stigma and discrimination for one thing and without a diagnostic code, certainly cause more difficulty getting transition related expenses covered by insurance.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: JinMI

It's defined as a mental disorder. Don't blame me, I didn't define it.

Yes, so was homosexual!
you come off like the homophobes that used the antique definition to justify their hatred...

That's the only thing you could be blamed for, and rightly so.

Suit yourself

You never fail to produce the most meaningless posts.

The lack of actual substance here is astounding.

Even your attempt at an insult is a misnomer.

Or an attempt to deviate and ho off topic. That's precisely what gender ideologues and trans activists do online.

Take a look at this re-analysis linked in the first page. Not a single word! The fact that the story had evolved which shows political interference and activism in science and research, doesn't seem to bother the ideologues.

The same piece of research revealed very different results to what was concluded sometime ago with a significant number of kids taking 'puberty blockers' resulting in mental health deterioration.

If research was detached from politics and activism of the sort you see on these threads then almost every kid will come down with mental deterioration and other health issues.

originally posted by: AdifferentOpinion

originally posted by: JinMI
I heard another one recently, gender fluidity.

Thoughts?

Every person is a mix of masculine and feminine qualities, energies, abilities, interests and behaviors so in some ways, you might say everyone is a bit gender fluid? I guess some need feel the need to have a special label or make distinctions between these different aspects of themselves kind of like those that have come up with 72 genders?

I honestly don’t see any scientific reasoning for this other than the desire for non-conformity or uniqueness and perhaps an overactive self obsession? I think it also deals mostly with the outward expression and performance of gender by presenting masculine at times and feminine at others rather than a deeply held identity. It may also indicate a degree of gender dysphoria and maybe avoidance of committing to being one or the other? Who knows?

These are just my own crackpot theories on your specific question and I’m an old straight binary hetero boomer so what do I know about this newfangled stuff anyway? I have never known someone “gender fluid” so this is beyond my experience but if that is something that floats their boat, more power to them. I am not one to judge this sort of thing even if I think it is kind of odd.

Should gender dysphoria no longer be a mental disorder, what would be the fallout?

It is hard to say? Maybe less stigma and discrimination for one thing and without a diagnostic code, certainly cause more difficulty getting transition related expenses covered by insurance.

You're missing the point completely.
There are only two genders. The rest is cheap activism for internal consumption among the left and radical left wing ideologues.

It's sex dysphoria a more accurate term. People who are not ok with their sex. Not something new though.

Taking 'puberty blockers', hormones, and having gender affirming butchery will never change their mental health issue.

a reply to: Annee

There has been a community of people that believe that have delusions. Yes. Napoleon , Cleopatra, even Jesus. we don't give them armies, asps or crucify them so they don't kill themselves.

and because we don't does not make us puritanical

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

How many times do the mods have to say we can comment where we want anytime for you to get it? I wish we could block too.

Pretty good rant tho. Didnt read all of it. Feel better?

a reply to: JinMI

but they know a big word: epigenetics

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

i've got joey's thesaurus today

eta as i couldn'r resist the off topic..

but the thing is words do have meaning and this all revolves around the misuse of language but the divide in the same language at times i find myself thinking of the old us/uk expression/ divided by the same language.

google really should create a new translator for englishactivist..

originally posted by: Terpene

Consider yourself lucky with your kids, but being well adapted and happy in a sick society isn't proof of mental health at all. all you did is indoctrinate them with the right doctrine, so they can function in Society. just another brick in the wall.

Exactly, it's all about the parenting, and depressions are a result of it too. Suppressed gender dysphoria will lead to depression too.

So what?

I'm not so lucky, I'm a boomer having kids later in life. I never played the participation trophy game for example. As to Suppressing gender dysphoria I'm over it now, don't really care if I ever hear those words again. It's such a small micro percentage we all just need to get over it and let them mature into whatever they end up being once they get through childhood.