Raised From The Dead

a reply to: [post=27140928]FlyersFan[/post

The person who believes we will be raised from the dead...doesn't believe Jesus ( or whomever they pray to) ALREADY PROVIDED us life.

It is obvious we won't be...because we already are as promised.

Jesus provided we live and die and are born again...and again..thru God.

Why do you need 10 paragraphs to explain what I did in a single sentence?

One could argue that's time better spent trying to understand the simplicity of God's plan.

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a reply to: mysterioustranger

You have misunderstood what was written. Jesus provided us with one human life followed by one eternal spiritual life that is not tied to this world.

Here's part of it, but you need to read the multiple examples in the whole chapter...

1 Corinthians 15

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

www.biblegateway.com...

a reply to: Deetermined

You...are assuming based on the printed word...that I'm uninformed. How do you know I have no Theology Degree, am not a Church Deacon, or studied at a Seminary (I did)?

Actually, you show your inability to understand by living within the context of a page. You quote, you relay, you opine--- yet you misunderstand.

With all your quoted words applied, you've lost your way. Now...I'll wait while you find more words...that detract from the very point you are trying to make.

Living is not reading and quoting any "scripture": it is CLOSING the book....and get outside and help you're brother and sisters.

That big yellow thing in the sky is the Sun.....Close the Book once in awhile...get your head up n out n contribute to the world.

Reading...in itself...does not.

God Bless..Jesus Saves me✝️("SAVES" Me...everyday).

a reply to: mysterioustranger

You...are assuming based on the printed word...that I'm uninformed. How do you know I have no Theology Degree, am not a Church Deacon, or studied at a Seminary (I did)?

No, I assume you are misinformed because you mentioned being born again...and again...as if you are being reincarnated into a human existence over and over again, which we are not. We are given one human life and then born again into a new eternal spiritual one.

You claim that "Jesus Saves me" everyday, but I'm not convinced that you're using it in the same manner in which Paul was using it in 1 Corinthians 15. Maybe our many discussions over the past years leaves me skeptical and you've turned over a different leaf, but something about the way you communicate still lacks something for me to believe it just yet.

a reply to: Deetermined

And I'm convinced I'm living God's Word...and as you say...you...are reading it.

Actually, since you mentioned not
understanding...Ill explain.

Jesus needs save no one : twice. We have already been saved.

Perhaps 1 day...maybe study some divinity studies...you will understand.

But, I Promise You....we are not supposed to spend our days buried in any book.

We are to be out in the world...promoting...that book. Not home quoting. See?

God bless

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Jesus needs save no one : twice. We have already been saved.

Perhaps 1 day...maybe study some divinity studies...you will understand.

But, I Promise You....we are not supposed to spend our days buried in any book.

We are to be out in the world...promoting...that book. Not home quoting. See?

Your answer appears quite contradictory to me. What have we been saved from in this life? If I'm not supposed to spend time in a book, how can I study divinity studies? How do we live out and promote "that book" if we don't read or quote it first in order to know how to live it out?

Weren't we and the disciples instructed to "spread the GOSPEL of the kingdom"? It certainly wasn't this world/kingdom that He was talking about.

a reply to: Deetermined

Oh Lord....there aren't enough hours in the day.

Something tho you touched on ...I see we are both...BOTH....doing here...though a tiny bit convoluted, is important.

"Go forth and preach to the World...etc...." We are both, in our sep ways...doing that very thing.

The story of the Guru on a mountaintop. Don't waste your life reading up in its meaning: get out and live those very principles found within, whether Bible, Talmud or Koran.

God bless

a reply to: mysterioustranger

"Go forth and preach to the World...etc...." We are both, in our sep ways...doing that very thing.

The story of the Guru on a mountaintop. Don't waste your life reading up in its meaning: get out and live those very principles found within, whether Bible, Talmud or Koran.

After admitting in another thread that you attended a Catholic seminary for a few years, what made you decide to chuck it in order to believe in a universal God?

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
Jesus needs save no one : twice. We have already been saved.

Once saved always saved is a big fat NO.
Scripture is very clear, you can lose your salvation.
You must repent and accept Christ again in order to regain it.

Philippians 2:12 - work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Galatians 5:4. “You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Christians who 'wander from the truth' suffer death of the soul. They lose salvation.

James 5:19, 20. “Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”

2 Peter 2:20-22. “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ‘A dog returns to his own vomit,’ and, ‘a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.’”

1 Corinthians 10:12. “Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall."

IF we walk in the light we are saved. Only IF. If we don't walk in the light, then we are not.

1 John 1:7. “But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.”

Brethren are Christians and if they depart from the living God then they have lost 'being saved'.

Hebrews 3:12. Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.”

More reading here

Christian Post - False dangerous doctrine of 'Once Saved Always Saved'

Hebrews 3:12-14 "Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. 13 But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end."

Today we consider the issue of salvation and continuance, or in other words: "Are we once saved always saved?"

According to the scriptures, this is not a reasonable exegesis based on key scriptures like John 15, Hebrews 3:12-14, Revelation 3, and many others.

The simple theme of John 15 is that of continuance, or "abiding" in Christ. To abide means to remain. Jesus urges us to "remain in me." And then he says in response "then I will remain in you." It's a fairly simple formula, we receive Jesus Christ as savior, through faith, and then we must continue in the faith, remaining and walking with Jesus throughout our whole lives, overcoming sin, living in victory, and living out holiness in all we do. This is the teaching of the new testament.

Now it is certainly true that God "preserves" us in a state of salvation. He is our shepherd, we're the flock. Nothing can pluck us from His hand! That is certainly truth. Nothing can pull us out, not sadness, not grief, not death, not angels or demons, not Satan himself, but if we go on in sin and unbelief, we can step out of His hand. Falling away is a well documented reality of the scriptures. We should remember that.

I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples. 9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love. 11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full. -John 15:1-11

a reply to: Deetermined

Thanks! This questions easy...my dad was studying priesthood, met Methodist Mom, here I come Catholic...

Had real hard time Catholic agenda that My mom being a Methodist couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't get into heaven cause she wasn't a Catholic. Then a 12 yr old in a band with all new friends Protestants, a Jew...drummer Shinto Japanese.

I had a difficult time reconciling the fact all of us were the same really. Sundays Is genuflect and bless myself in church. Why? They didn't...

Many trials and tribulations, 3 marriages, near deaths and multitude of friends worldwide in cultures far removed....it became clear there's no 1 "religion".

Only "GOD".. by whatever name, in your own culture...

In defense of Jesus and any other named-"reference"? I'm of the belief Jesus is the way, the means for me personally...but....He goes by many names.

And I've said...I'm sure Jesus smiled a lot!

Best to you..

E.T.A. to all here:

All...all organized "religion"...isn't good. Not at all

Ask yourselves. "Who speaks for God?"

Blessings eve✝️ryone

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Blessings eve✝️ryone

It sounds like you've lived a very interesting life! I understand how your experiences and relationships have shaped your views, but it's still hard to ignore your "Jesus smiles alot" and your cross in the word "everyone" above. Subliminal messaging?!