Congressman Burchett stonewalled by the person who should know about Grusch's UAP claims

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
Say China had some tech crash on American soil. You expect it to be publicly outed who’s recovering that tech? That’s not happening.

Regardless of your disclaimer you cannot exclude me from participating in the discussion, it’s very disappointing some on ATS only seek an echo chamber.

a reply to: putnam6

Respectfully you can post anything you want ITSALIVE IDGAF, but every one of these threads is chock full of it's our tech It's China or Russia tech, it's Israeli tech, it's Indian Vishnu tech lol. What if it isn't?


I've heard all this BS before I realize the complete potential it might be absolutely a nothing burger. But recent tech doesn't fit into the Grucsh narrative, though remember the testimony as we have had these alleged NHI crafts for a long time. And we still haven't found out what makes them tick. I believe both Graves and Fravor when they express this isn't our tech it's beyond our capabilities

China tech? we aren't talking about something new, the story goes we have had the craft for decades.

From the 1940s ! but yeah you are right its China tech.

Come on, Grusch inferred this crap has been occurring for decades. China can't even manufacture an aircraft carrier without the deck cracking.

So yes this is the type of overused, worn-out excuse that doesn't fit within the Grusch/Burchett narrow-focused narrative, the original post is discussing.

Thus the disclaimer.

On I side note not sure why people get upset with a disclaimer

It's pointed out where an OP would like a thread to start from. I'm not dismissing anything, just have heard that side and it sounds like weak sauce to me.

I find it interesting Burchett is still pushing this, and while I believe he is genuine in his pursuit for answers I also realize he could just be a monkey showing us all window dressing on all this, to distract from whatever is really occurring.

So you are unwilling to accept that all known tech on the earth intact has an earthly origin as a start. In multiple comments to me you’ve told me not to contribute and in your OP you try and only address the subject with your opinion as the framework. Cursing at me while using the word respectfully seems to be inconsistent- I have to take that to mean you don’t appreciate anything but support in your belief.

It’s hardy over used or worn out to point out all technology on earth is of an earthly origin. It may exhaust you as it doesn’t support your hope, your belief, or your faith.

The government having access to aliens and alien tech draws parallel to the church being close to god and angels. It’s a known control tactic, a means of proving authority. Respectfully, far too many are caught in the minutia of the constant lies they feed us. The field would advance far more if that was better accepted. Unfortunately some prefer the echo chamber, you already outlined in your above post and disclaimer a personal need for that which hurts the subject and conversation.

Man, I don't even know who started this hype that the guy is a fraud, a mr nobody and so on. There is nothing, until this moment, that indicates that. Ppl are really under the assumption that such programs don't exist. But for so long we have been hearing from them. Besides, John Alexander says they don't exist, that is the ultimate proof that they do.

a reply to: putnam6

a reply to: putnam6

I don't how it is not option 3.
What I think they will do, is to foot drag, obfuscate, obstruct, deny, and use everything in the play book of lies and deception to bring this to a halt. But some ppl won't let go. The reps do have other sources tipping them, that is why they went for the kill in the last hearing.

Sadly Burchette needs to pull his head out of his posterior.
The Congressman may "mean well" or even be truly frustrated with how slow information is being released.

Burchette keeps asking the WRONG questions.
Every single time.
#1 - He should have asked for all the information Grush turned over to the ICIG.

#2 - Instead he asked for anyone or anything associated with retrieved material or who is involved with retrieved material.

By asking in the #2 format he left the ICIG no option but to deny the request as they'd have to vet & investigate everything in Grush's material only releasing info they could confirm 100%. Most of it would also probably have to be redacted since it would open the ICIG to a bazillion follow up FOIA's.

Had Burchette asked the #1 question it limits the ICIG stonewalling to just a few avenues. Avenues which are easier to get around or bulldoze thru. JMO but if Burchette doesn't smarten up ASAP I have to conclude he's just windowdressing to keep the media & public occupied.

Ross Coulthard has been clear that hearings have been going on already for several years behind closed doors. Burchette is either over in left field/completely out of the loop, or he thinks we're all idiots. Why he hasn't called up those in the previous hearings/meetings to testify is just sloppy. Until Burchette makes this saga both loud & messy his opposition in disclosure has no incentive to do anything but wait him out.

originally posted by: putnam6
**** Disclaimer this thread is for those who believe there is a possibility Grucsh's claims are true and have merit. So far every department or agency is basically passing the buck**** We have heard all the speculative theories, but let's try and stay focused. The way these departments are responding seems to be in the words of Bob Woodward a non-denial denial. Am I wrong?

David Grusch has repeatedly suggested, inferred, and sometimes confidently said this is the Inspector General of the United States Intelligence Community (below) that would have all the answers the UFO community seels

Congressman Burchett was stonewalled by Inspector General Monhiem, saying they haven't even looked into them, pretty much passing the buck to the DNI Director of National Intelligence. (correspondence below)


Madame Avril Haines was sworn in as the Director of National Intelligence on January 21, 2021. She is the seventh Senate-confirmed DNI in our nation's history and the first woman to lead the U.S. Intelligence Community. Director Haines has deep national security experience.

If Grusch's claims are false how come none of the departments or agencies are denying the claims? Why would he direct the public to someone would didn't have direct knowledge? They are just denying any of their respective agency's knowledge of the claims passing the buck, up the chain hopefully. But more likely a stalling and or misdirection tactic.


It took 20 days to respond to this letter, which sounds like plenty of time to craft a story, why not immediately dismiss the claims if they are as ludicrous as some portray them to be?

they are all in on the cover up of new manmade crafts and ufos are just that type of cover
uaps are manmade and these government spooks are running a disinformation program by convincing the public that what they see or fear is off planet life

no off planet life has ever visited our planet

a reply to: ancientlight

You wrote: "Ok;,so what's the serious reality? That ETS are real and visiting? Bebooptido.
Nothing will change in any of our lives unless they openly start to mingle. No fear from me, just getting a bit bored with the endless nothingburgers."

Basically, your expectations in your understanding of the process happening before our eyes is more than a bit too simple.
To help your reasoning process, consider the recent talk of AI suddenly becoming a major aspect of our lives in yet unknown ways. What did you know and expect about that major intrusion into your future life? A year ago, you maybe didn't even know what the term meant and here it is in your face via the internet and lord knows what else.

The ETs are not vacationers here for relaxing. They are here to straighten out humanity. Unfortunately, that means to basically change humanity at its core (meaning its purpose) which we really can't fully explain even to/for ourselves. Do we have a purpose?

a reply to: putnam6

'Thank you for coming out and participating as if with Grusch's claims, and your experiences if they are indeed true, I accept them as being so at face value.

So a simple question then, with your experiences is the truth being withheld because it's for our own good? As many have postulated. Otherwise I definitely interested in hearing your story. Is it posted anywhere? IS it on ATS?'

The word "truth" is a loaded word. At what level should it be revealed. If congress has known nothing about UFO/ETs for nearly 80 years, why should you think that they would be TOLD and substantial truth now? Nope. The process is of the highest possible secrecy because for the literal truth to come out there would be instant war across the world. No body really wants to change their lives too much to encompass a whole way of acting in the cosmos...It is no longer our little blue marble that is the center of things.

We only matter to ourselves if we blow ourselves up or languish as we do. But other forces in the cosmos have a different concept of what is the nature of things, and, and like it or not, life is not necessarily the premier moment.

(Most of my posts o ATS are under another name and probably have been deleted. Send me a private email and I'll see what I can provide.) Thanks for taking me somewhat seriously.)

originally posted by: 0bserver1
a reply to: putnam6
You know , somehow Grush should have answered all the questions in front of the public view if he had breached his oath and just told them everything in front of so many viewers he was considered a hero much more as what is happening now.

I really believe his story but he should had sacrificed himself infront of the entire nation.

If he was going to jail afterwards then the US public knew he was telling the truth.

Now he will fade to the background an finally or probably will die in some dubious accident IMO.

And the were on the same page as we did before Grusch's claims came out , what I think It's going to be worse after this because all eyes were on NASA'S report they did what had to be done to setback the whole debate.

There was a window and if the push wasn't that hard maybe and I mean maybe the pentagon had the feeling that they could tell the story in a controlled matter ?

And over the years spilled little beans?

You need more evidence to set off a counter attack like this and using independent media to do so only irritated them if you ask me?

This is a very astute observation...FWIW it all could be just a controlled release, a pressure valve, already the fervor has moved on. It's human nature.

originally posted by: ITSALIVE

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
Say China had some tech crash on American soil. You expect it to be publicly outed who’s recovering that tech? That’s not happening.

Regardless of your disclaimer you cannot exclude me from participating in the discussion, it’s very disappointing some on ATS only seek an echo chamber.

a reply to: putnam6

Respectfully you can post anything you want ITSALIVE IDGAF, but every one of these threads is chock full of it's our tech It's China or Russia tech, it's Israeli tech, it's Indian Vishnu tech lol. What if it isn't?


I've heard all this BS before I realize the complete potential it might be absolutely a nothing burger. But recent tech doesn't fit into the Grucsh narrative, though remember the testimony as we have had these alleged NHI crafts for a long time. And we still haven't found out what makes them tick. I believe both Graves and Fravor when they express this isn't our tech it's beyond our capabilities

China tech? we aren't talking about something new, the story goes we have had the craft for decades.

From the 1940s ! but yeah you are right its China tech.

Come on, Grusch inferred this crap has been occurring for decades. China can't even manufacture an aircraft carrier without the deck cracking.

So yes this is the type of overused, worn-out excuse that doesn't fit within the Grusch/Burchett narrow-focused narrative, the original post is discussing.

Thus the disclaimer.

On I side note not sure why people get upset with a disclaimer

It's pointed out where an OP would like a thread to start from. I'm not dismissing anything, just have heard that side and it sounds like weak sauce to me.

I find it interesting Burchett is still pushing this, and while I believe he is genuine in his pursuit for answers I also realize he could just be a monkey showing us all window dressing on all this, to distract from whatever is really occurring.

So you are unwilling to accept that all known tech on the earth intact has an earthly origin as a start. In multiple comments to me you’ve told me not to contribute and in your OP you try and only address the subject with your opinion as the framework. Cursing at me while using the word respectfully seems to be inconsistent- I have to take that to mean you don’t appreciate anything but support in your belief.

It’s hardy over used or worn out to point out all technology on earth is of an earthly origin. It may exhaust you as it doesn’t support your hope, your belief, or your faith.

The government having access to aliens and alien tech draws parallel to the church being close to god and angels. It’s a known control tactic, a means of proving authority. Respectfully, far too many are caught in the minutia of the constant lies they feed us. The field would advance far more if that was better accepted. Unfortunately, some prefer the echo chamber, you already outlined in your above post and disclaimer a personal need for that which hurts the subject and conversation.

Jeez ITSALIVE you are so on point and bringing new issues to the forefront for discussion. I have never heard "echo chamber" before, can you please explain in great detail what that actually is? Echo chamber hmmm, do you mean aliens are bats?

What exhausting is I've said my personal stance numerous times, and you are still yammering with theories on my motivations for just one specific conversation in this thread. Contributing nothing to the specific conversation, but participating nonetheless because someone got sand in their shorts because somebody was telling them what to do.

So LETS DISCUSS the broader issues here, the religious angle, it's a control tactic, psyop. What did I miss? oh, it's all simulation, Aliens are angels aliens are demons. WOW, we have never heard those before in a thread on ATS. Carry on ITS ALIVE, tell me your viewpoint again over and over and over. I'm really fascinated and I'm waiting with increasing anticipation for your broader clarifications on the UAP/UFO.

On with your mantra IA, and if possible let me know when and if I may retort.

Man, I don't even know who started this hype that the guy is a fraud, a mr nobody and so on. There is nothing, until this moment, that indicates that. Ppl are really under the assumption that such programs don't exist. But for so long we have been hearing from them. Besides, John Alexander says they don't exist, that is the ultimate proof that they do.

originally posted by: flamengo
a reply to: putnam6

I don't how it is not option 3.
What I think they will do, is to foot drag, obfuscate, obstruct, deny, and use everything in the play book of lies and deception to bring this to a halt. But some ppl won't let go. The reps do have other sources tipping them, that is why they went for the kill in the last hearing.

The thing about Burchett and he is right, the military can not work on and establish weapons systems without congressional oversight. Well, they can but they aren't supposed to. Thus this could be all of the replies
"we don't know anything" to "we aren't authorized to say"

If we do have craft and knowledge from the 40s, I can see this being hidden and responsibility kicked down the road for future generations to handle. We may or may not be the generation to handle it, but it damn sure ought to be questioned.

originally posted by: Observer19
a reply to: putnam6

'Thank you for coming out and participating as if with Grusch's claims, and your experiences if they are indeed true, I accept them as being so at face value.

So a simple question then, with your experiences is the truth being withheld because it's for our own good? As many have postulated. Otherwise I definitely interested in hearing your story. Is it posted anywhere? IS it on ATS?'

The word "truth" is a loaded word. At what level should it be revealed. If congress has known nothing about UFO/ETs for nearly 80 years, why should you think that they would be TOLD and substantial truth now? Nope. The process is of the highest possible secrecy because for the literal truth to come out there would be instant war across the world. No body really wants to change their lives too much to encompass a whole way of acting in the cosmos...It is no longer our little blue marble that is the center of things.

We only matter to ourselves if we blow ourselves up or languish as we do. But other forces in the cosmos have a different concept of what is the nature of things, and, and like it or not, life is not necessarily the premier moment.

(Most of my posts o ATS are under another name and probably have been deleted. Send me a private email and I'll see what I can provide.) Thanks for taking me somewhat seriously.)

Thanks for this, I'm sincerely interested. I try not ever dismiss anyone else's experiences and thoughts, especially with this topic again this topic is why I started reading ATS to begin with.

Generally, if there is other intelligent life out there and they know of us, I can easily see them being careful about bringing humanity into the fold, we have to seem like we are backward savages.

Ill reach out to you later but definitely want to hear your story and thoughts.

originally posted by: RedKingBlueQueen

originally posted by: putnam6
**** Disclaimer this thread is for those who believe there is a possibility Grucsh's claims are true and have merit. So far every department or agency is basically passing the buck**** We have heard all the speculative theories, but let's try and stay focused. The way these departments are responding seems to be in the words of Bob Woodward a non-denial denial. Am I wrong?

David Grusch has repeatedly suggested, inferred, and sometimes confidently said this is the Inspector General of the United States Intelligence Community (below) that would have all the answers the UFO community seels

Congressman Burchett was stonewalled by Inspector General Monhiem, saying they haven't even looked into them, pretty much passing the buck to the DNI Director of National Intelligence. (correspondence below)


Madame Avril Haines was sworn in as the Director of National Intelligence on January 21, 2021. She is the seventh Senate-confirmed DNI in our nation's history and the first woman to lead the U.S. Intelligence Community. Director Haines has deep national security experience.

If Grusch's claims are false how come none of the departments or agencies are denying the claims? Why would he direct the public to someone would didn't have direct knowledge? They are just denying any of their respective agency's knowledge of the claims passing the buck, up the chain hopefully. But more likely a stalling and or misdirection tactic.


It took 20 days to respond to this letter, which sounds like plenty of time to craft a story, why not immediately dismiss the claims if they are as ludicrous as some portray them to be?

they are all in on the cover up of new manmade crafts and ufos are just that type of cover
uaps are manmade and these government spooks are running a disinformation program by convincing the public that what they see or fear is off planet life

no off planet life has ever visited our planet

Well, there you have it, when you are right, you are right.

FWIW I'm not, nor have ever been fearful of the alien theory. I've always felt like, if they are that advanced they could have or would have wiped us out already.

LOL the irony though I do fear if we are indeed all alone and it's completely up to us, it will take ions as we get too distracted and have a certain amount of ADHD in all of our DNA.

Unless the universe and galaxies are simulations it's difficult to believe in the vast cosmos there isn't another.

Perhaps you already noticed that there is an agenda to push that UFOs are man-made, despite the disparage with technology the phenomenon displays all around. Ppl, I mean the scientists have been talking about propulsion, that is the least impressive thing for me. The manipulation of time and space that appear in abduction cases, the perfect virtual reality they display in abductions, the transference of paranormal capacities displayed by abdcutees (some of them), the disappearances of cattle and people, at times it only takes seconds. The strange humor they display. The messages that take years to complete, anticipate something in one's life and the thing will manifest only 20 years later. PPl has been quite blind, or forced into confusion not to notice all these traits. I have plenty of others that are equally impressive.
But now at least the simplification is even an advance, compared to a flat denial of everything.

a reply to: putnam6

One thing I've noticed, it seems those who may actual know refuse to talk. Some who have even seemed to actual wish to provide information, but after getting a portion of the story completely did a 180 and clamped up.

My fear is they may be hiding it for national security, but not for the reasons people always think.

Lets say, maybe the choice isn't ours to make. Let's say a high level interaction has occurred, and in this it was made very clear that if the masses ever came to actually believe or know, then they would wipe the slate and start again. If you knew the truth and think everyone should know and could handle it, but then you found out disclosing that truth would kill your daughter, son, brother, friend, etc because you had exposed it... then would you?

==My personal thoughts "Unless we live in a simulation"...

The more time goes by, the more I am starting to think that may very well be related to the issue of disclosure. For a thought experiment, lets say we do... This brings a new set of questions/considerations.

Fermi's Paradox:
Could very well explain why we don't see Type3 aliens all over the night sky - they were not added in this environment.

Quantum Physic weirdness:
1) entanglement/spooky action at a distance - if distance isn't real, and this is some generated reality, then the space apart we precieve means nothing.

It reminds me who in code we often update a specific object "my pet cat named jerkface" but this is only a modified version of the object template "cat". If we update the base "cat" template, this can cause downstream effects to "my pet cat named jerkface" as it's pulling "what it is" from the base template. Maybe when we change one of the particals it's linked in the code of "reality" to the other in some way.

2) Double-Slit/Quantum Eraser:
These test show that what we consider a partial (chunk of a physical thing) is not actually a physical "thing" if not being actively observed and instead acts like a wave. Yet, if we are watching, it does not and acts like a particle as we had expected. The Eraser experiment took this even further, and shows that can observe after the test, but this seems to change how the particle acted in the past (us looking now changes then).

If time isn't real, and the environment isn't generated unless needed to for the user, this instantly makes sense as it saves resources/computation as you don't need to generate every single portion of the universe constantly. Only a local area when needed.

3) Quantum Computing: the fact this works seems to indicate there are multiple realities and the multiverse would be real. Consider World of Warcraft... each server is a world, can't see/interact with the other servers/worlds, and would function similar to a multiverse. Yet the developer can see/affect/pull data/change data at the same time from each server. This is very similar to how computation works for these devices.

4) BigBang / Creation - The idea of the big bang is something that never set well with me. From nothing came the largest explosion of all mater into reality from an singular point that just popped up into reality? Then expanded faster than the speed of light?

This seems crazy... even those who 100% believe the big bang as described (there is a lot of signs) don't know what triggered it or how it happende.

But from an IT background... This looks like they are installing the Application/Operating system. The info wasn't there, but was loaded into "something" running reality. For me, this is a system loading data into it's RAM so it can boot up the computer. It doesn't need to fit any rules of the application it's running as it's not the same system. And perhaps it wasn't expanding extremely quickly, but the world was being generated (think starting a new world in minecraft and waiting while it generates).

--------Crap that should be a thing but is--------------------
Moon Size/distance/Earth Ratio: Why is our moon the exact size and distance to cause full exclipses? Look up the chances of this, no other moon/planet has a ration allowing this, and yet ours does?

How about the universal "fine tuning" issue. There are a huge number of variables that had to be perfectly exact for our physical reality to even be stable. Ours is, we somehow also have a planet in the perfect habability zone... one of the only bodies we know of with an active magnetic field allowing life, then the exact conditions for life to start, then evolve?
----------------Questions this makes me have----------------
Because of the exact requirements that our universe meets to even exists, I always have tended to lean more to a "created" instead of natural existence. If this was created, all of these almost impossible odds are moot. A creator works just as well for a simulation as it would for a Christian God.

So, who is this creator? I grew up seventh day Adventist, so come from a Christian based understanding, but every single thing that GOD does in the bible from creation to Jesus having a virgin birth, his death, and resurrection.

The Christian creation story: the world was created in 6 days... This becomes more believable if reality isn't what we think. No way I could create this in seven days, but if you give me a copy of half-life or counter strike, It doesn't take much to reskin/add new assest/update the physics/rules of the game. Perhaps creation being "spoken into assistance" also becomes more relatable.

========What is GOD/If this reality isn't real, was it god?========
Personally, I find the simulation idea helped me with my own personal doubts related to religion. While I still do not believe what I was exposed to growing up, or have read in the religious books, heard from my preacher are true. I am still searching every day for what is reality, what it means, and why was it done?

But I also find I can now more easily accept the crazy stores I heard as a kid... "virgin? lol" "spoke into existence?" "My world is not of your world".. etc. If this is a created environment... then whatever or whoever is overseeing this could likely do or change anything they wished, and would be completely outside oru understanding

So for me personally, If we found out that we live in a simulating created by someone... I'd be like "cool, maybe there is something after this, and maybe I'll reload/get a continue when I die" I did not make me reject my religion only somewhat re-enforces the idea.


===MY FEARS===
Please do not let us be just some 10,000th copy of their version of a game like "The Sims". I know the horrible things I did to my poor sims growing up, and the thought we may be inside some angry kids game where he has all power over our world terrifies me.

What if they uninstall/turn off the machine?>>>>>>!!!
....This is one of the items which makes me wonder every time I hear "you don't want to know" or "the truth is something people couldn't handle". What happens if we're some simulation/research process/entrapped for education... then we learn for a fact this is all being made up around us, we're not really physical, and there is some power outside our world who has full admin rights.

Would this effect why ever we are here? Would this cause them to turn it off? Maybe wipe it all, make some updates, and re-run the program? This would explain every single person who promised they would tell if they found out, appears to have gotten some portion of the real story, and then refused to say a word.

Us, being an appendix artificial universe, for more "real" ones is the most likely answer at this point, but Disclosure will deal with that only as a consequence, and you can get into that despite crash-and-retrieval cases, see how they shield the "selfish genes solution", or avoid discussion the anthropic principle, no Mars anomalies, and they are so easy to find, especially the Spirit Rover mission. It all indicates extremer arificiality whereever you look at.
a reply to: Winterpain

originally posted by: flamengo
Perhaps you already noticed that there is an agenda to push that UFOs are man-made, despite the disparage with technology the phenomenon displays all around. Ppl, I mean the scientists have been talking about propulsion, that is the least impressive thing for me. The manipulation of time and space that appear in abduction cases, the perfect virtual reality they display in abductions, the transference of paranormal capacities displayed by abdcutees (some of them), the disappearances of cattle and people, at times it only takes seconds. The strange humor they display. The messages that take years to complete, anticipate something in one's life and the thing will manifest only 20 years later. PPl has been quite blind, or forced into confusion not to notice all these traits. I have plenty of others that are equally impressive.
But now at least the simplification is even an advance, compared to a flat denial of everything.

a reply to: putnam6

I can get behind some are manmade, just not all. Obviously, if we get into all the extreme potential possibilities, the reasons behind the secrecy become more understandable, even then did we discover this ourselves, or we were told and shown, or did we piece it together from the evidence at hand?

Perhaps we are nothing but ants doing what our DNA has encoded in us, while we respond to our environment and its stimuli. I've read elsewhere perhaps we were/are a failed experiment, perhaps we are isolated for a reason. Perhaps the experimenters don't want us to mingle with the regulars and disrupt the gene pool.

originally posted by: Winterpain
One thing I've noticed, it seems those who may actual know refuse to talk. Some who have even seemed to actual wish to provide information, but after getting a portion of the story completely did a 180 and clamped up.

My fear is they may be hiding it for national security, but not for the reasons people always think.

Lets say, maybe the choice isn't ours to make. Let's say a high level interaction has occurred, and in this it was made very clear that if the masses ever came to actually believe or know, then they would wipe the slate and start again. If you knew the truth and think everyone should know and could handle it, but then you found out disclosing that truth would kill your daughter, son, brother, friend, etc because you had exposed it... then would you?

==My personal thoughts "Unless we live in a simulation"...

I have read your whole post 4 times, it opens up even more the possibilities of this phenomenon. Yes all of it needs to be considered.

Certainly the decision not being ours to make, would likely explain TPTB's reluctance to reveal what they know.

I have to ask though isn't all of this just speculation, what's this based on? is it purely theoretical? ie wheres the evidence?

As for how it relates to my original OP, I can only guess. Except we can expect more denials and deflection as it bounces up the little unimportant human model's chain of command. Our procedural notions might be considered in our DNA, kind of getting tired of having to bend our minds around the other NHI potential procedures and this is how they do things when the reality is most don't seem to have concepts of the individual nor seem to have empathy or emotions or is that just an implanted Spock ideals construct?

Such heavy-duty questions on an early Monday morning

Back in the human realm it still comes down to TPTB hiding the truth. Again if TPTB knows this situation exists why isn't a higher-up calling off the inquiry Congressman Burchett is proposing?

I'm thinking if we are just supposed to be life forms that are born live eat breathe sleep and die, society could wrap its head around that eventually. It does fit the notion that it shook Jimmy Carter to his religious core, still, he carried on and had an extremely productive life. Pretty sure a large percentage would be fine with knowing this eventuality. Im equally sure some would not be fine.

IMO, only a few, very few are ours, the ones at Area 51 and Pine Gap really, and they are probably given to us. The rest, not ours. But that is a whole new conversation.
a reply to: putnam6