Transgender women banned from sports is one thing. Banned from chess! Now it's getting silly.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

I'm asking about the laws, you talk about the laws as if you know them but can't actually tell me how they are worded.

Figures..

really seems to be an attempt to silence the Karens without actually implementing anything new.

There is a diffrence between transvestites and transsexual, one can become a legal women, the other can't...

Your question was how they are enforced. Not how they are worded... You keep changing your arguments as usual.

Laws are not pro-active btw.

Women are not defined by laws but by chromosomes. And even chess has delivered a blow to the trans ideology. Transvestites or transgender women, call it whatever you want, they are still men, and so they have no place in female sports and competitions, or female spaces.

The trans lobby and their fascist ideology want things to go their way but they are loosing battles at every front.

a reply to: Terpene

You should ask yourself again why the trans ideology has had so many blows over the past 2-3 years that even chess has decided to ban transwomen from female chess competitions. What is it about transwomen which is different to actual women? Maybe because they are men?

a reply to: AlienBorg

There are no blows... Those bans are not applicable to transsexual men that have legal documents proving they are women, me thinks....

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a reply to: Terpene

Looky there another women who thinks of her gender to be any special...

Um, you were the one that declared women are not able to compete with men in any way. Gaslighting much? It's not even about winning, you start with competing. Denying being worthwhile to even consider to compete.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

There are no blows... Those bans are not applicable to transsexual men that have legal documents proving they are women, me thinks....

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Unfortunately you are in a denial even after so many blows to the trans ideology.

So for example you don't consider it a blow and a defeat when chess bans transwomen from taking part in female chess? Or when swimming does the same thing? Or when a number of sports have banned transwomen from female competitions. Again, you're clearly in denial.

Transwomen cannot prove they're women. It's kind of an absurdity to suggest one can hold a document proving their biological realities. Transwomen are men that's why chess said no to them participating in female chess competitions.

Selecting gender?! That's hilarious.
You may want to select how evolution will proceed from now on...

originally posted by: TDDAgain
a reply to: Terpene

Looky there another women who thinks of her gender to be any special...

Um, you were the one that declared women are not able to compete with men in any way. Gaslighting much? It's not even about winning, you start with competing. Denying being worthwhile to even consider to compete.

Now he has gone the 'legal route' of arguing transwomen are women according to law and so they can take part in female competitions. Unfortunately for the trans lobby the sporting governing bodies and several states don't see it this way and they have their own regulations and laws.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Now I'm sure you'll find something to proof your stance, like an actual paragraph that regulates this so-called trans ban?

I just showed you that man can become legal women. So how are you going to proof they are no women without infringing on their rights?

The only one in denial is you...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

Now I'm sure you'll find something to proof your stance, like an actual paragraph that regulates this so-called trans ban?

I just showed you that man can become legal women. So how are you going to proof they are no women without infringing on their rights?

The only one in denial is you...

Legally? So what? In reality they are men. That can't change. And they will always be men.

If it did then all the sports that have banned transwomen from female competitions would have broken the law. But they're not as biological reality trumps civil laws.

You're in a denial if you think men can become women or if you think the law determines biological sex.

Even chess has banned transwomen from female competitions. Imagine how bad this is for the trans ideology.

a reply to: Terpene

You should ask yourself again why the trans ideology has had so many blows over the past 2-3 years instead of denying the facts.

Even chess has banned transwomen!
A few days ago British Rowing has done the same banning all transwomen from female rowing competitions.

The propaganda doesn't seem to have worked out well and society has renormalised itself.

a reply to: AlienBorg

You're assuming alot, all I'm saying is those are just words, to appease the few phobes, words that have no legal ground.

Maybe you don't know how legal stuff works. For your scenario to have any legal ground you'd have to either show birth certificate, or being forced to make a dna test. Are you ready to do that?

How else are you going to prove gender to not be according to the legal documents?

Show me the legal ground on which a human can be tried for competing against women when they legally are a woman.

We all know you can't.

Thanks for your time

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

You're assuming alot, all I'm saying is those are just words, to appease the few phobes, words that have no legal ground.

Maybe you don't know how legal stuff works. For your scenario to have any legal ground you'd have to either show birth certificate, or being forced to make a dna test. Are you ready to do that?

How else are you going to prove gender to not be according to the legal documents?

Show me the legal ground on which a human can be tried for competing against women when they legally are a woman.

We all know you can't.

Thanks for your time

Never said anything about 'legal grounds' when one is competing. You're making up a strawman argument and trying to go around it. As the matter of fact never said anything about legal grounds at all when it comes to sports. Every sport had it's own rules and regulations and it's up to them to decide if they can let transwomen in female sports.
Most of them have said no as transwomen are men.

Laws do exist in various states protecting minors from 'gender affirming care' commonly known as hormonal and drugs abuse and butchering of body parts. But that's different to what you're trying to say.

a reply to: Terpene

Gender and sex are the same btw.
No matter what some laws may say your sex/gender never changes. You're just given some extra civil rights that you shouldn't have because you were not born as a woman but you live your life pretending to be one.

At least the governing bodies of various sports have recognised you can't just present yourself as a woman and have banned transwomen from female competitions. Even chess has done it, and this is another blow to the trans ideology.

a reply to: Terpene

Yet, the top chefs in the world are predominantly……….

a reply to: Grenade

True, the men paying the bills for two in those establishments didn't get rich by eating stupidly rich food. It's a womens food fetishism thing, and women chefs don't tickle their buttons...

a reply to: AlienBorg

That's good i hope you can feel better now that you know that to be fact...

Doesn't change the legal ground, and that they'll have a hard time to actually implement it without infringing on some human rights.

We're still waiting for the actual paragraphs that regulate your fear driven fantasies into an applicable law...

Till then it's just words, to appease some traumatized Karens...

a reply to: Terpene

It’s in a man’s nature to keep a woman happy, to provide and protect her. I’m happy to pay for meals, I work my ass off to provide my children and partner everything they need, not because it’s fun, but because it’s my duty and responsibility.

This trans ideology is an affront to nature and riles me to the core. These people need mental help, not validation or encouragement.

I’m also attracted to strong, independent and successful women. For the right one I’d worship them like a goddess, so if that makes me a misogynist then I’ll wear that badge with honour. This agenda does nothing but degrade and sexualise women even further, disgusting. Being a women isn’t a state of mind.

a reply to: Grenade

strong, independent and successful women.

so basically those women that are able to compete against men?
those that only became able to shine once men weren't affraid of competition from the other gender and let them into their dedicated spaces?
Is that what women are doing now?
Or do you suggest it was a mistake men did, to let them invade their dedicated spaces?

I wouldn't be so quick to put someone into the loony bin. Especially not if one does that from a position of presumed mental sanity...

This sanity is mainly defined by the standards set trough society and I think this society is sick since several millenia.
I don't care how you want to justify the fear that's obviously running the machine, but how exactly is it a threat to women?

Is it because you have constructed some form of identity based on your body and now that others can have that body too you feel like it threatens the identity of women?

Maybe it's just that your created self identity is limited by your hardwiring and theirs is more ample?

‘It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society’

a reply to: Terpene

You’re putting words in my mouth.

Yes, I like women with fires in their belly, but a prerequisite for me is also having the ability to produce ovum.

I have no problem with women in the workplace. Whether I think that makes them happy or that they’re as well equipped as men for the task is another discussion. In my experience women prefer to be looked after and provided for, still that doesn’t make them weak. A strong women by my definition is someone who takes pride in themselves, stands up for their beliefs and who puts their children first. Strength has different measures.

My identity as a man is confirmed by my ability to produce sperm. There’s no such thing as a woman who can claim this characteristic. No need for confused and conflated games with semantics or psychological constructs, plain old simple as you like measurable biology that a 5 year old can understand.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

That's good i hope you can feel better now that you know that to be fact...

Doesn't change the legal ground, and that they'll have a hard time to actually implement it without infringing on some human rights.

We're still waiting for the actual paragraphs that regulate your fear driven fantasies into an applicable law...

Till then it's just words, to appease some traumatized Karens...

Nothing to feel about. You have created a strawman after being unable to defend the trans ideology for once more.

The rules and regulations exist that bar transwomen from sports and competitions and all you need to do is just read the news.

Chess is the subject of this story. You have been unable to address it but going around in cycles.

You can use the Karen descriptions to characterise your friends and family rather than throwing it to strangers online.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Grenade

strong, independent and successful women.

so basically those women that are able to compete against men?
those that only became able to shine once men weren't affraid of competition from the other gender and let them into their dedicated spaces?
Is that what women are doing now?
Or do you suggest it was a mistake men did, to let them invade their dedicated spaces?

I wouldn't be so quick to put someone into the loony bin. Especially not if one does that from a position of presumed mental sanity...

This sanity is mainly defined by the standards set trough society and I think this society is sick since several millenia.
I don't care how you want to justify the fear that's obviously running the machine, but how exactly is it a threat to women?

Is it because you have constructed some form of identity based on your body and now that others can have that body too you feel like it threatens the identity of women?

Maybe it's just that your created self identity is limited by your hardwiring and theirs is more ample?

‘It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society’

You're clearly losing the debate and have nothing to add to the conversation apart from strawman arguments and going off topic to avoid the reality of the several bans on transwomen in sports and competitions.

No matter how much you try the blows in this ideology are irreversible. It will decay in the next few years and society has started renormalise itself.

Civil rights and laws don't determine what a woman is or what a man is. Transwomen are men and hence by definition rejected in sports and female spaces. You need to get your head around this and the fact that the trans lobby has been defeated on many fronts.