The Why Files and fake Moon landing

a reply to: cooperton

Except they didn’t say that. They said it would be expensive, because it will be.

a reply to: cooperton

They “don’t want to” because it would have eaten their entire budget for multiple years, and they wouldn’t have had the money to do anything else. NASA doesn’t have an unlimited budget to build whatever they want. They need the money to develop new technologies, and building something to go to the moon and stay for months at a time isn’t cheap.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: cooperton

They “don’t want to” because it would have eaten their entire budget for multiple years

But they do want to. The plan for Artemis is continual manned missions to the moon.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
We have the technology to do it

No Don Petit said we destroyed that technology and its a painful process to build it back again.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

Again, that has been explained to you.

This faith you have in the United States Bureaucracy... you must not be from the US...

a reply to: cooperton

It should be blindingly obvious to you that, indeed, I am not from the US?

Apparently, not?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

It should be blindingly obvious to you that, indeed, I am not from the US

Is that not what I said?

a reply to: cooperton

Yes, so what?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

Yes, so what?

NASA "lost"/taped-over the original tapes for the moon landings. That's the sort of hilarity I am referring to regarding the bureaucratic agencies.

a reply to: cooperton

They want to now, because they have the budget to. In previous years they didn’t, so they didn’t build anything.

We had the technology already built. The Saturn V, and Apollo capsule. Once they stopped building those, we no longer had anything capable of getting there. It didn’t mean that the technology stopped dead. It meant we had no way built to do it.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: cooperton

They want to now, because they have the budget to. In previous years they didn’t, so they didn’t build anything.

We had the technology already built. The Saturn V, and Apollo capsule. Once they stopped building those, we no longer had anything capable of getting there. It didn’t mean that the technology stopped dead. It meant we had no way built to do it.

If the Artemis missions get there I will obviously concede, but it is very sketchy no human has been there since 1972.

“The fact that we were able to go to the Moon in '69 was such an anomalous situation, it was like reaching into the future and bringing the technology forward,” said Musk on the "Full Send" podcast.

a reply to: cooperton

Because getting there was political. In 1970 the first of the 1970s energy crises began, and people started to question why we were wasting money going to the moon when we already beat the Soviet Union there. And then we had the 80s and beyond when space was boring and no one wanted to spend the money to go back to space.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: cooperton

Because getting there was political. In 1970 the first of the 1970s energy crises began, and people started to question why we were wasting money going to the moon when we already beat the Soviet Union there. And then we had the 80s and beyond when space was boring and no one wanted to spend the money to go back to space.

There was a motive to fake it though, we needed to show superiority to the Soviets. This would explain why no one has been back since. Imagine after Christopher Columbus founded America that no one went back afterwards. The potential for developing technology to make lunar travel a regular thing seems like it should have developed after 50 years (mining potential, militarily strategic, gateway to other planets, etc)... but instead we get NASA engineers saying they have to build back the tech that was destroyed and no other nation has achieved the feat since.

a reply to: cooperton

It case you missed it - The SATURN V was literally custom built by hand Once it accomplished its mission, people began to
question spending the money to continue on

Elon Musk is testing his STARSHIP reusable rocket to cut the cost of trips to moon and beyond by factor of 100

STARSHIP will once perfected be able to be refurbished and launch on quick turn around Also be refuellable in orbit

So in few years will be able not only visit the moon, but built long term bases and industrial facilities on the moon

a reply to: cooperton

And yet there have been dozens of probes and photographic missions that found evidence of manned activities on the moon. Not to mention all the people not involved in the program that tracked the capsules to the moon, were involved in building the various portions of the missions. And the fact that NASA losing the ability to go didn’t stop the Russians, Chinese, or anyone else from building their own capabilities to go.

Getting to the moon was the easy part. Staying there to mine, or live is significantly harder.

a reply to: cooperton

There was an even bigger motive to actually do it.

It isn't a 'NASA engineer' saying anything, it's a former astronaut making s glib throwaway comment for a TV show (and people always forget that he says 'go back'). We might have 'destroyed the technology' to build the machines that got us there, but that doesn't mean they didn't get there. Pretty sure the US would have a hard time building the space shuttle now, but that doesn't mean they didn't have a shuttle programme.

The reason Apollo succeeded was because there was a political will to pay for it. That will, and the budget, disappeared once the Soviets had their noses rubbed in it and it didn't get votes any more.

a reply to: cooperton

Tapes that were no longer required.

The TV broadcasts were already backed up, there was no need to keep the telemetry data as they had no requirement to know where the spaceships were any more, and the tapes were big and expensive.

If these tapes still existed, conspiracy theorists would still insist they were fake and find another lame argument to use instead.