The Pointlessness of Debating Unreality: Let's Dismantle the Echo Chamber

Introduction:
Talking to each other in America has turned into a never-ending fight instead of a way to make things better. This blog post wants to show how pointless it is to debate with people who don't base their arguments on truth and reality. It also emphasizes that allowing counterproductive discussions in public forums only creates echo chambers that make the nonsense worse. We need to change this pattern and have constructive conversations instead.

1. Trapped in Our Own Beliefs:
One big problem in America is that we only listen to people who agree with us. Social media and our own choices keep us stuck in our own bubble, where we only hear what we already believe. This makes it impossible to have open-minded conversations and consider different perspectives.

2. Seeing Others as Enemies:
American discourse has become all about "us vs. them." We turn people with different views into enemies. This makes it nearly impossible to find common ground and work together. Instead, we keep fighting and getting nowhere.

3. Letting Emotions Take Over:
Discussions on important topics often get emotional. When we get emotional, we stop thinking clearly and only want to win the argument. This makes the fighting worse and stops us from finding real solutions to problems.

4. Sticking to Our Groups:
We tend to care only about people who are like us and think like us. This makes us only talk to people from our own group and ignore everyone else. It's like we're on different teams that can't cooperate. It's hard to have real conversations when we only see people as part of their group and not as individuals.

5. Losing Respect in Conversations:
Respectful conversations are disappearing from American discourse. People use disrespectful language, attack each other personally, and spread lies. This destroys trust and makes it even harder to have good conversations. We need to treat each other with respect and stop spreading false information.

Conclusion:
American discourse has become counterproductive, preventing progress and fueling division. But we can change this. We need to recognize the pointlessness of debating with people who ignore truth and reality. Allowing counterproductive discussions in public forums only makes things worse. Instead, let's seek diverse perspectives, listen with empathy, and prioritize understanding over winning. By engaging respectfully and finding common ground, we can break free from counterproductive discourse and create meaningful change in our society.

I'm traveling in the countryside of this island that I live in and people are not frustrated at all they're happy to talk they're just like wow somebody is willing to talk to me and sit down and just enjoy a friendly conversation I don't see no frustration and the actual day-to-day way of thinking that everything is negative in life here I see everything is pretty much positive way of being able to survive and never help neighbor that is the type of environment and I'm seeing on my travels here.

a reply to: briantaylor

Guilty, as charged.

Good post!

a reply to: briantaylor

When Bush said very publicly, "you're either with us or against us", the seed of division has been planted.

It was a continuous downward spiral from that point on, it seems to reach critical mass now and the United in United States is no more...

Let's Dismantle the Echo Chamber

It will never happen. I know people who fall squarely into all five of your categories. Hopelessly. People who are generally logical and rational, many of them highly educated. When it comes to politics, they lose their ability to think critically. It's as if a part of their brain is broken. You can show them facts, and they'll refuse to believe them. It's without a doubt one of the most bizarre things I've seen in my lifetime. The trans-mania phenomenon also rates up near the top of the bizzaro-world list.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: briantaylor

When Bush said very publicly, "you're either with us or against us", the seed of division has been planted.

It was a continuous downward spiral from that point on, it seems to reach critical mass now and the United in United States is no more...

since he was speaking of being with the USA or against it, I'm still just fine with the idea behind that statement. If you live somehwere else, I hope you have as much pride in your home as I do mine. But if you live here and you don't have pride in the USA, you need to figure out why, and find a home you can be proud of. You are either with us, or against us.

1. Trapped in Our Own Beliefs:

That we are. Lot of theories, lot of grey zone. Until confronted with evidence beyond reasonable doubt it is easier to hope for the best.

2. Seeing Others as Enemies:

Seams more like envy that kicks this one off. A long history of conflict and easy to pick up that torch for some.

3. Letting Emotions Take Over:

Yep, it is a strong primordial force. Getting better these days with keeping it in check. As for when those hormones are flowing, let them learn the hard way is one way to avoid getting too wrapped up in it again.

4. Sticking to Our Groups:

I know ATS ain't perfect. As for the core theme of deny ignorance, some of that mud sticks.

5. Losing Respect in Conversations:

When you stop caring what other think and are more focused on what you think, those that resort to personal attacks have already lost. The only time I felt like losing respect in a conservation is when I had it wrong, humble pie sucks. But it has made me stronger and more astute to the situation.

Getting too drunk online is also a big one in losing self respect the next day. I am doing better in checking myself before I post, but so over some of those drunken rants.

The echo chamber is the media. It always starts there. Suppressed truths and controlled narratives are how this is perpetuated and we all just keep falling for it.
If the pandemic didn’t wake you up to how we are manipulated I dread what it is actually going to take to open everyone’s eyes.
These organizations that you trust to give you information are not for your benefit. They serve the worlds elite and it is a form of control to keep us obeying and turning on our friends. If we fight each other we cannot focus on the real problem and they very well know this.

a reply to: network dude

Funny.... You thought he was talking about the rest of the world, i felt he was telling his citizens to tow the line, according to the 911 commission.
In the end, all you got is the patriot act, effectively making you all a potential threat...

There is no way forward with this rhetoric. The your with us or against us, is a save way out...

a reply to: network dude

As far as baby Bush was concerned, the term he used was far too vague and subject to several interpretations. Considering that the word is not capitalized, did he mean him and his administration, or did he mean US, or United States? If he meant the United States, why didn't he say United States instead of lower case us? What exactly did he mean by us? If he meant him and his administration, no I was not with the pompous egotistical ass and his administration that lead us into a war justified by false accusations, but yes, I was and still am a proud and supportive member of the US.

We have had a string of garbage presidents since 1989 and no, I have not been "WITH" any of them, with only 1 exception, in all these past 34 years.

Even so, I have no intention of leaving the nation I love.

PS: Just thought about this. We have lived under garbage leadership for almost half of my life at this point.

a reply to: briantaylor

Someone wise once said, "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."

I support America, Freedom, Individual Liberties and swore an oath to the US Constitution.

*shrugs*

a reply to: DBCowboy

You forgot Truth

Freedom without Truth isn't worth much

originally posted by: SigmaXSquared
a reply to: DBCowboy

You forgot Truth

Freedom without Truth isn't worth much

Truth is just a persons opinion of a fact.



But yeah, I get it.

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
The echo chamber is the media. It always starts there. Suppressed truths and controlled narratives are how this is perpetuated and we all just keep falling for it.
If the pandemic didn’t wake you up to how we are manipulated I dread what it is actually going to take to open everyone’s eyes.
These organizations that you trust to give you information are not for your benefit. They serve the worlds elite and it is a form of control to keep us obeying and turning on our friends. If we fight each other we cannot focus on the real problem and they very well know this.

The echo chamber also exists in social media. I forget what documentary it was, but they showed a graph of people with left or right wing beliefs beings heavily stuck in their own bubbles, very rarely interacting with the other side.

Mainstream media's influence has been drastically declining. If anything, social medias like twitter, reddit, facebook, tiktok ect.. is the fastest growing "media". These social medias often feed you what you want to here. This pushes far more misinformation and belief-bubbles.

An example would be of Qanon and how fast that conspiracy grew. I remember at one point tik tok started to constantly feed me Qanon content at one point. It's really does push people into bubbles and at one point, i started to think "maybe the storm is coming, everyone seems so certain about it".

Can't trust anything anymore, and really have to do your own fact-checking.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: briantaylor

Someone wise once said, "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."

I support America, Freedom, Individual Liberties and swore an oath to the US Constitution.

*shrugs*

I never liked that quote. Heard is by religious people. Heard it by political people. All the time it was used against me for being a skeptic and questioning things. Rather than just picking a side or position to believe in. Which I think is wrong.

We can have ethics, morals, and principles. But picking belief systems and ideologies often creates many problems and conflicts.

originally posted by: Turquosie

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: briantaylor

Someone wise once said, "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."

I support America, Freedom, Individual Liberties and swore an oath to the US Constitution.

*shrugs*

I never liked that quote. Heard is by religious people. Heard it by political people. All the time it was used against me for being a skeptic and questioning things. Rather than just picking a side or position to believe in. Which I think is wrong.

We can have ethics, morals, and principles. But picking belief systems and ideologies often creates many problems and conflicts.

Principles aren't like shoes.

You can't pick and choose what you feel like that day.

You talk of ethics, morals, principles, those are the very foundations of belief systems.

a reply to: briantaylor

Who does discourse anymore?

a reply to: DBCowboy

not much truth gettin' out of facts eh?
prefer to make real your desires, huh?
i guess expertise is wasted, sometimes, in that you didnt write this post then,..

the above essay is not a matter of opinion, it is in fact, about how exactly it can't be a matter of opinion.
thus the relevance to the comprehension level of the post being specifically targeted, yet you fail anyway

here's another true, factual post about truth and facts for you to deny,
enjoy exacerbating your dangerous continuation of nonsense!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: briantaylor

Huh?

Here's a truth, God exists. Just ask a Christian.

Is it a fact that God exists?

Dunno.

The rest is hard to understand, but I'm usually used to drunk posting.