In rare cases, coronavirus vaccines may cause Long Covid–like symptoms

Science.org

Now, a small number of other researchers worldwide is beginning to study whether the biology of Long Covid, itself still poorly understood, overlaps with the mysterious mechanisms driving certain postvaccine side effects.

More discrete side effects connected to COVID-19 vaccines have been recognized, including a rare but severe clotting disorder that occurs after the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines and heart inflammation, documented after the messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines manufactured by Pfizer and Moderna. Probing possible side effects presents a dilemma to researchers: They risk fomenting rejection of vaccines that are generally safe, effective, and crucial to saving lives. “You have to be very careful” before tying COVID-19 vaccines to complications, Nath cautions. “You can make the wrong conclusion. … The implications are huge.”

“We shouldn’t be averse to adverse events,” says William Murphy, an immunologist at the University of California, Davis. In November 2021 in The New England Journal of Medicine, he proposed that an autoimmune mechanism triggered by the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein might explain both Long Covid symptoms and some rare vaccine side effects, and he called for more basic research to probe possible connections. “Reassuring the public that everything is being done, researchwise, to understand the vaccines is more important than just saying everything is safe,” Murphy says. Like others, he continues to urge vaccination.

Long Covid, in contrast, affects anywhere from about 5% to 30% of those infected by SARS-CoV-2. Researchers are making tentative progress with several ideas about the underlying biology. Some studies suggest the virus may in certain cases linger in tissues and cause ongoing damage. Other evidence indicates aftereffects of the original infection might play a role even after the body clears the virus.

For example, evidence from animal studies supports the idea that antibodies targeting the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein—the same protein that many vaccines use to trigger a protective immune response—might cause collateral damage, notes Harald Prüss

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To sum, after Covid infection 5-30% having lasting autoimmune response where body starts attacking itself.

Very cautiously worded. Get the vaccine, but we are increasing finding problems. Make sure we publish all the problems but still get the vaccine.

Sigh.

They are now admitting and studying problems… well at least a few brave scientist are.

Only time will tell if it was more beneficial than detrimental. But 100% there are people having severe, long lasting side affects.

I don’t trust mRNA gene therapies yet. Think they started too soon on humans. Needs a lot more testing.


On a completely random adjacent theory of mine I’ve posited for years here on ATS… I’ve wondered if UFOs and abductions are real, is it possibly just time-traveling us from the future studying genetics before something changed all the DNA of the human race?

The same people who told us one shot would make us immune to covid are telling us cases of long covid from the vaccine are rare.

Fool me once, shame on you.....

a reply to: nugget1

They claim they never said that now.

Glad people are saving the video clips of them saying it.

This is part of the slow walk back. "Rare."

Ed Dowd has calculated 15% of the population has serious side effects from the gene therapy shots.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

"Rare" in billions of people around the world taking this injection becomes a very large number.

They claimed injecting 70% of population in many countries.

Wonder what 5-30 percent of 70% of a country adds up to…

a reply to: pianopraze
Science-dot-org sounds like they probably have a few pharma dollars trickling in somewhere.

A FOIA request accidentally caught proof that the FDA and Pfizer were warned that the vaccines could cause fulminating COVID and COVID inflammatory syndrome. The FDA, NIH, and CEO of Pfizer were in this email chain and pages 5-8 show the exchange.

These emails are from 2020 where they were warned about it in those with latent infections at the time of vaccination. The doctor was assured this was carefully considered. It wasn't really though because all prior standards said you don't vaccinate into a pandemic with wide community spread. To disprove this would have required much more than advisory committee meetings. Obviously, nobody cared because these vaccines were going to be approved and everybody was getting their awards and money.

For anybody not catching the full implications, if you have a vaccine that doesn't provide lasting and sterilizing immunity, and your body is producing spike proteins, you have a defacto latent infection anyway. So, there's a whole ball of stupid involved with anybody that thought this wasn't a big deal to go against prior standards and all pandemic plans for this type of outbreak. Stupid or criminal. I lean toward the latter. If nothing else it's criminal negligence that no regard was given for anything but moving this through the process as fast as possible.

Long COVID is essentially an inflammatory syndrome that is most likely to occur when people are vaccinated with mRNA. There is no data set which will disprove that and that's why you won't see a comprehensive retrospective that includes vaccination status. This is one of the reasons you don't vaccinate when there is massive community spread of a novel virus.

Any study that doesn't account for vaccination status, with a novel product with no long term history, is a joke if it tries to blame COVID alone. Especially since these effects are not surprising or an unknown potentiality. A booster, for those that partake, then puts more of the very spike proteins in the body that cause it to begin with. Since it's already known to increase your chances of contracting COVID with each dose, it's very very difficult to argue there is any world where this shouldn't have been pulled from the market. It doesn't have any observable benefit except in limited manipulated studies obfuscating critical details. It's criminal that they approved this for children to give pharma liability protection, knowing it would end up being made mandatory by schools.



FOIA document

We can see in this study what fulminating COVID is. I just grabbed the first one with a definition. This study has no other relevance.

Cases were categorized as fulminant or non-fulminant, where fulminant cases were defined as myocarditis with new onset heart failure requiring ionotropic or mechanical circulatory support.

Interesting that it matches a not so rare adverse event that's been reported. I wonder how many cases there were before vaccines were deployed versus after?

Now, what is COVID inflammatory syndrome that the email warned about? If you ask the CDC, this is defined as what looks a lot like severe "long COVID". Seems to make sense subacute cases of vaccine induced COVID inflammatory syndrome will most often present as regular old long COVID. A vague and lingering malady.

Multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS) can affect children (MIS-C) and adults (MIS-A). MIS is a rare but serious condition associated with COVID-19 in which different body parts become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs.

The sooner people realize that this is not an accident the better. They're pretending they didn't know this could happen and they're doing everything they can to make it something other than their fault by vaccine proxy. COVID may progress to long COVID. People may also have mild post-viral syndromes. Everything known about the vaccine and it distributing a larger load of the toxic spike all around the body, points to it making long COVID of any extend duration far more likely in the vaccinated. The number of deliberate violations of established standards and the total disregard for all safety considerations is criminal and anybody involved with it needs to be prosecuted. The FDA official lied to a concerned doctor about something that they had no intention of considering and were just going to jam through anyway.

Of course, if this isn't true I'm sure they'll release all the data. Just like all the other data they've been so eager to share they fight releasing until order by a judge.

a reply to: pianopraze

Three red flags for me BEFORE they rolled it out:

1. Developed too quickly

2. EXPERIMENTAL

3. Makers are NOT liable and the administered can't sue.

NOPE

NOPE

NOPE.

It was that easy. Even if you were cornered into taking it, THAT in and of itself was another red flag.

But it's irrelevant anyway because what's done is done, no do overs.

Wake me when people actually get upset about it.💤

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, Long Vax FX is Long Covid...

a reply to: DerBeobachter

Riots are peaceful
Dissent is disinformation
Patriotism is threat
Gender is chosen
Elections aren’t rigged
Masks are effective
Jab is safe

originally posted by: EternalShadow
a reply to: pianopraze

Three red flags for me BEFORE they rolled it out:

1. Developed too quickly

2. EXPERIMENTAL

3. Makers are NOT liable and the administered can't sue.

NOPE

NOPE

NOPE.

It was that easy. Even if you were cornered into taking it, THAT in and of itself was another red flag.

But it's irrelevant anyway because what's done is done, no do overs.

Wake me when people actually get upset about it.💤

I kept telling people that were gobsmacked with my hesitancy that while I can delay the jab and see how it pans out, if I don't...and this is all poison, I can't unvaccinate myself. Once the damage is done, it's done. They would then retort, well the same if you get sick! Not true though, as there was clearly safe and effective treatments. Those who died from...whatever it was...covid, flu or whatever... either were going to die anyway or the hospital protocols killed them.

Never have I been so happy to lose my career and have to start over. While also reeling inside for those I love who did take the jab and are constantly sick, as well as those who died not long after taking it.

The only thing that will fix this, and many other things at this rate is the gallows.

a reply to: Sparkymedic

During the peak period of the vaccination campaign my best friend, BROTHER of 37 years gave me the biggest guilt trip in the world about getting that vaccine. He even hinted at if I didn't get it, I couldn't be around because he's asthmatic and I would be a risk to him!

I can honestly say that damaged our bond even though we talked it through and it's no big deal, it STILL set a precedent and strained our trust. Knowing what he knows now, there's an underlying resentment I can feel as if I didn't do enough to STOP his decision. He had planned to get it immediately, without hesitation even before it rolled out!!

I had to start over too and it's been a refreshing journey revisiting my own resiliency. I'm proud of myself.... I think everyone needs that for themselves.

a reply to: pianopraze

Nobody in my family got the vaxx and we're all here. From 9 to 95. I got Covid from a double vaxxed douche at work who came back sick from getting Covid again and spread it around. my other family members had it the year before when it first went around. I think something about those vaxxes made it more virulent and contagious. The spike proteins they shed... I think that caused many cases of immune responses. But everybody who got the vaxxes got sick as dogs like when they had Covid and not one of them didn't get Covid again. I think natural immunity was better but the vaxxes compromised that.
And of course we were flat out lied to about Ivermectin and hydroxtchoroquine not being extremely effective. Not to mention lied to about masks and lockdowns being necessary.