the shape of proteins requires an engineer

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

Thanks for sharing. I know how the world can be towards people. Even if you didn't accurately explain I'm keeping no error against you wishing you the best. I sent you a PM after your first post. Feel free to stay in touch

a reply to: Untun

I thought it would be interesting to add a third dimension to the old fight of Creationism vs Evolution since I've seen it for myself. Evolution is probably more likely 'intellegent design", just not what folks like to think it is. Just my educated opinion. Still room for God though.

The "fairies" do a similar thing with the menses of maiden human girls to build a double. But that is not strictly to do with proteins.

Your intuition is spot on now that I think about what happened. I just try not to think about these experiences. The greys got me at about five years by the way. A more conventional experience of terror. Wednesday was there back then. So yeah, they're keeping tabs.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

Not saying it's true or false, just a logical derivative from information I've gathered.

I had the sense yesterday thinking that you aren't secure with Wednesday, I hope I'm wrong and that you're having a good time. Does she often take friends?

What are the special things she taught, you can tell in PM if you like. Is there anything we should know.

They inform us about the way we pollute earth, I read.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

Ask them if they know Jesus, their response will be all you need to know

a reply to: cooperton

They're said to have records of the crucifixion and even videos of holograms they've shown of historical events. Our lives are so precious.

a reply to: cooperton

The "J" word? That doesn't bother anyone much at all except for those who know the cruelty of the church.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

I had to read between the lines there.
Are we living in fear without knowing? There's something to find around here with a bad influence so someone needs to go look for it to check out what it is, it could be nothing but what nobody knows nobody sees.

a reply to: Untun

The bioengineering was the primary thing we worked upon. The engineering of proteins an introduction.

You're correct with the insecurity. The reason I gave her the nickname 'Wednesday Addams' was because in the TV show the girl had a headless Marie Antoinette doll.

Wednesday once lent across the table with the serious request to poke about inside my head.

In self defence, I also adopted her as my grand daughter (as a game). I played the doting grandfather, and she played the precocious child who would wrap her grandfather around her little finger. That meant rules. Grand daughters don't usually pull apart grandfather's mind. Self preservation.

There was a wonderful moment that made it all worthwhile, something I did for them for no other reason than I wanted to.

I noticed one day a sadness in her. She missed someone. The memories of the deceased girl included an older brother who was missed dearly.

You see when one "reads" memories; one lives them as one's own.

So we tracked down and found the deceased older brother's memories. They had both been dead for well over a hundred years.

Then we installed the deceased brother's memories in another blank grey.

So a gift for her; an older brother. A gift for him a little sister. (One of those moments. sniffle sniffle : )

That is why I call Wednesday "she" and "her". Before the memory inclusion the grey was an "it".

I learned a lot about memories from the greys in that sense. That gave me insights needed to fix the memories of deceased human children. In particular the traumas inflicted by the mediaeval church in the "trials".

That is also how I know that proteins can be designed and created by the greys.

Oh and no "messages". I do get the feeling if humans were to disappear from this world, they greys would consider it a waste.

Maybe because a lot of time and effort was put into humans. Not just greys but also other Beings such as the "fairies".

a reply to: Untun

One has to see things from another perspective.

In the inquisitions and trials of the mediaeval church, the targets were mostly women and female children.

What was learned from the thousand years of torture and killing was the knowledge that humans and in particular the churchmen are quite able and willing to do the most horrific of crimes.

The fear of the "names" is not because the "names" have any real power.

The only "power" the "names" have is to remind the fairies, fae, and other Beings of what can happen to loved ones should they approach human children.

The inquisition was a very effective psychological operation. Where the church dropped the practice, science has in its own way picked up the baton. If children still have invisible friends beyond six years, the psychologists will step in.

I know of no other reasons for the unseen world to retreat from humanity as it has done.

ETA: The message of the western church to the unseen world was very clear:

"We can not hurt you, but we can destroy the things you hold dear."

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

Maybe they aren't very empathic as they just are its with memories. What the base design for the it could be, the standard programming/knowledge/abilities, then + memory identity.

Sometimes I feel offended when people accuse "church" but I figure there are two churches on earth. Each individual is capable of doing what he does and who lies and who doesn't? I wasn't there at the time and the connection I might have with these people may be geneology. I do not state there is no evil and that evil has not happened here on earth. Many people have done wrong things. Just some struggle of mine. We should at least repent and forgive and keeping the grunt for past activities of other people I find disturbing. I keep my world small in that manner, I live for the future.

a reply to: Untun

Thread title: "the shape of proteins requires an engineer".

So a study of the greys is not in the least a drift off topic. Especially since those proteins are clearly engineered. How many different "species" of "engineers" there are, I certainly don't know for certain.

Maybe they aren't very empathic as they just are its with memories. What the base design for the it could be, the standard programming/knowledge/abilities, then + memory identity.

I can only say what I have observed with the addition of some deductive reasoning.

There are a lot of misconceptions in this subject especially since there is the crossover into "aliens and UFOs". So I will simply say it as I see it.

Wednesday studied me, and I studied her. We also worked together on our own separate projects. Her interest is biology, mine is memory.

Wednesday's body is a purpose built engineered avatar. The purpose being the bio engineering of the organic. I can only say the building of proteins for certain because we worked on that together.

The origin of her knowledge I am not sure enough to say.

Within the avatar is more than one distinct consciousness. Though they are very much the same "species".

Earlier I used the word "buzzing" for a reason. If I were to describe the consciousness within the avatar, I would liken it to super intellegent bees. The implication of "hive mind" is here, though I am not 100% certain.

There is another consciousness behind this that was ellusive at the time.

You're right in what you intuit. Blank to begin with and 'memory identity' is something that I would think was purpose crafted to relate with me.

Originally a non descript grey. Not as harsh nor angry an appearance as many artists portray. Kinda cute in it's own way. Not displeasing.

The human child memories are what gave it personality. What made it a her. One must keep in mind that having those memories made her very human in a way. She felt the absence of a big brother who doted upon her and whom she adored. She knew what games were and how important rules are in the mind of a child. That is probably why I instinctively chose to "play house" with her.

That was what interesred me, the idea of introducing the reality of a loving human relationship that she could experience for herself. The concept of family. Though at one point, I must admit, Wednesday disappeared for three days, "re-education" of some sort I suspect.

In contrast, I have met a true "blank" - "blank" says it all. So yes you are right again Untun.

On the subject of religion and the estrangement of Nature from humanity, and relevancy here in this thread. I would simply pose a question:

What might happen if the engineers no longer maintain the biological "machines"?

a reply to: cooperton

The fact that you read the link you posted and thought it was a manned mission is suggestive of your reading comprehension skills.

originally posted by: iterationzero
a reply to: cooperton

The fact that you read the link you posted and thought it was a manned mission is suggestive of your reading comprehension skills.

I didn't mean actual people landed on it. It was obviously controlled remotely if it is a true story. It's absurd enough to think a remote controlled spacecraft could attach itself to an asteroid, let alone humans on board. If you look at my other posts I'm skeptical about the moon landing so I definitely wouldn't think they landed people on an asteroid in outer space lol.

Just wondering, you're like half way through reading this entire thread and that's what you comment on ? I guess I'm doing pretty good if that's the only objection you found

This is gold.

A lunatic fringe has occupied the thread of another!

a reply to: TerraLiga

A lunatic fringe has occupied the thread of another.

What? Having trouble with the idea that life is actually engineered?

Or perhaps the idea that religion and science might both be missing something important?

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

What exactly that made him/her cringe that led to this kneejerk reply, we will never know.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

They're just defending their meaninglessness, don't let it upset you

a reply to: cooperton

Actually I thought it might an interesting exercise to discuss the standard view of organic life being nothing more than an accident of chemistry.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

Only TerraLiga achieved thread drift but lets welcome him/her. Proteins are compounds of existence making up quite a few things, it's even quite possible TerraLiga consists of quite a few. In my opinion your information colors the thread quite well.

originally posted by: NewNobodySpecial268
a reply to: cooperton

Actually I thought it might an interesting exercise to discuss the standard view of organic life being nothing more than an accident of chemistry.

It only ends with them speechless and angry because they realize their belief in evolution is mere faith without actual observable demonstration (science). There's more miracles required for evolution to be true than all religions combined