Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Originally posted by CAPT PROTON
Sleeper,
I guess it would be safe to assume that all aliens who visit are more advanced than us, but not all aliens are equal to each other in terms of technological development.

Therefore, would it be safe to assume that the Roswell greys were shot down by a more advanced race, so that we could recover the craft?

CAPT PROTON,

A better assumption is that they purposely crashed a few dumbed-down ships with lifelike androids----we wouldn’t know the difference. But your theory has merit.

They all probably saw us split the atom, and said hey look what they can do. Then the Greys might have come in for a closer look and fell victim to a sneaky idea from someone higher up on the food chain.

Oppenheimer, Fermi and others had ET playmates when they came up with their equations. Geniuses are not so stupid that they would tell anyone where they get their best ideas---otherwise they wouldn’t be geniuses----would they?

As for the notion of continued life after death, I buy it. My mother is a very religious person and she's very much into the idea of halos and the Pearly Gates. The standard idea for most people I guess. But a month after my grandfather died of emphysema, he came back for a short visit to her bedroom one night to say goodbye I guess, according to her. He said don't worry about me, I'm fine...but the message for her before he was gone was "It's not what you think." Which I think means forget the halos and Pearly Gates because its not anything like what most church people would like to believe or imagine. I told her he's just further down the road and we'll catch up with him later. Now, what he's doing, I have no idea, he didn't tell her. I guess he's not allowed or its too complicated.

Religion is a pacifier for many while they are on earth----it serves a purpose.

The other side is not that much different than here-----for most.

For those expecting to sit around playing the harp----its going to be a big shocker----people have jobs over there too------oh horror of horrors-----unless you like staying busy, productive and creative----then it will be like heaven.

Originally posted by CAPT PROTON
Sleeper,

I guess it would be safe to assume that all aliens who visit are more advanced than us, but not all aliens are equal to each other in terms of technological development.

Therefore, would it be safe to assume that the Roswell greys were shot down by a more advanced race, so that we could recover the craft?

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I seriously doubt this. I think even Aliens can't control every situation even though they are way ahead of us, things on occasion go wrong even for them and yes they have crashes just like us.

It is debatable what we have learned from the numerous accidents & crashes since.

Originally posted by sleeper
Simulacra,

Sorry that you had to stoop this low, perhaps you’ll get lucky and your friends won’t see you on here-----so the least I can do is give you an answer.

I know you’ll love it

Drake is wrong-----way off the mark of reality-----and proof that a higher education may provide a better income-----but not necessarily wisdom, intelligence, and knowledge.

According to his equations we humans are very special and quite unique--------not---in this universe

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How are you coming to a conclusion from nothing? I mean obviosuly the Drake equation doesn't make sense, but explain why you feel that way, like I will.

The equation is based on our existance, our math, our own examples of civilization. This being said, it's impossible to come to a mathematical conclusion on all life in the universe.

But.. We can't use that logic along to prove that there are all these alien races either, as that logic can explain giant invisable onions as well.

Really, We won't know until we find it and get proof. Making up your own reality isn't healthy, let's stay with ours.

The universe is maths.

[edit on 24-5-2005 by sleeper]

Originally posted by thepostman
The universe is maths.

Looks like a one liner to me.

Math is something that helps us understand the universe and help us use scientific thought, Math is a system of counting used to number and figure out things in the universe.

But, OUR math system is completly as we know unique to us as humans, and only humans. By math system, I mean how we use calculations.

The universe isn't math, and I'm sorry you think that way.

Math helps us explain the Universe.

Originally posted by Dulcimer

So my question to you is, who do you think is at the top?

Perhaps there IS no 'Top'......This is a humans way of thinking is it not?

Originally posted by Ksnazdnzon

But.. We can't use that logic along to prove that there are all these alien races either, as that logic can explain giant invisable onions as well.

Really, We won't know until we find it and get proof. Making up your own reality isn't healthy, let's stay with ours.

Which reality, the one that kept people believing for thousands of years that the earth was the center of the universe----like many still believe today.

The one where for thousands of years everyone believed earth was flat?

I know those analogies have been over used and apply to everything including grandma’s secret cookie recipe, but they are hard to beat.

You live in the world that makes sences to you----what else do you have to go on?

Some people have more to go on----or different experiences-----and therefore their reality is changed.

You can’t project your reality to anyone else-----some people live sterile existences and wear the blinders prescribed by the particular society they happen to live in.

There are six billion people on this planet----ETs have removed the blinders from a few million of those people.

You may say that I am brainwashed or delusional-----however, I’m not the one who believes trillions of solar systems are devoid of life-----I know better.

"When we become our true selves it's not us who will have an inferior complex."

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Ksnazdnzon

But.. We can't use that logic along to prove that there are all these alien races either, as that logic can explain giant invisable onions as well.

Really, We won't know until we find it and get proof. Making up your own reality isn't healthy, let's stay with ours.

Which reality, the one that kept people believing for thousands of years that the earth was the center of the universe----like many still believe today.

The one where for thousands of years everyone believed earth was flat?

I know those analogies have been over used and apply to everything including grandma’s secret cookie recipe, but they are hard to beat.

You live in the world that makes sences to you----what else do you have to go on?

Some people have more to go on----or different experiences-----and therefore their reality is changed.

You can’t project your reality to anyone else-----some people live sterile existences and wear the blinders prescribed by the particular society they happen to live in.

There are six billion people on this planet----ETs have removed the blinders from a few million of those people.

You may say that I am brainwashed or delusional-----however, I’m not the one who believes trillions of solar systems are devoid of life-----I know better.

People found that out by actually exploring, learning, and.. thinking.

They didn't just say, My life has no wonder in it, I KNOW! I'll suddenly think there are all these alien races everywhere.

Listen, I belive anything is possible, the universe is only what is known. Unknown is infinite, that's where wonder comes from. I don't take that unknown and suddenly transform it into the known from my own ideas. That would not only take out the wonder in life, it would close my mind and also make absolutley no sense.

When an alien race come sover here, explains where they are from, etc.. or we get proof of them coming here or being out there, I won't assume they are here or even out there. I can understand the possibility, but as far as we can go on, I can only say there is a BIG chance of alien races out there. I stay mentaly healthy, understand the possibility of anything, but do not go on something from my own ideas as our combined reality. And tell people things I have no idea about.

Originally posted by Ksnazdnzon

People found that out by actually exploring, learning, and.. thinking.

They didn't just say, My life has no wonder in it, I KNOW! I'll suddenly think there are all these alien races everywhere.

Listen, I belive anything is possible, the universe is only what is known. Unknown is infinite, that's where wonder comes from. I don't take that unknown and suddenly transform it into the known from my own ideas. That would not only take out the wonder in life, it would close my mind and also make absolutley no sense.

When an alien race come sover here, explains where they are from, etc.. or we get proof of them coming here or being out there, I won't assume they are here or even out there. I can understand the possibility, but as far as we can go on, I can only say there is a BIG chance of alien races out there. I stay mentaly healthy, understand the possibility of anything, but do not go on something from my own ideas as our combined reality. And tell people things I have no idea about.

I know that you think I am making all this up because my mom neglected me while I was growing up and I compensated by creating these imaginary friends. Well my life was not that bad, and my mother didn’t neglect me. My life has always been fairly good, and sometimes great----so far I have been fairly lucky, if one wishes to use that word.

I saw earth from space more than once-----not a dream, not an illusion. When I was very young some fifty years ago before the USSR and the US put people into orbit, before any television shows like Star Track, and many alien movies, and books-----I was running around a space ship with other children----I often looked out the ship and saw huge globes hanging in the darkness of space.

I lived in a small village with no modern conveniences, televisions and radios and books of fiction didn’t exist for us-----there is no way my mind could have created what I experience without having some reference-----like tv, books and stories. My parents didn’t and don’t believe in ET, so they didn’t tell me stories. And how would they have described a fantastical ship when the bicycle was our main form of transportation.

To bad you can’t push the envelop a bit and stretch your mind around stuff like that-----I guess you’ll have to wait until it happens to you before you can believe-----nothing wrong with that.

The ET's job is not to make everyone believe in them? I mean free will is taught in almost all religions and ways of thinking in general, so free will lets one determine if you will believe this or not. I don't think they need all of us on this planet to believe in them...the message is out there for us to come to our own conclusions. They know that, and I think that is just fine with them. Just like not everyone believes in the same God or that there even is a God, the same is true with ETs.

Just my humble opinion though...

-Annanuki Goddess-

Howdy Sleeper, question, to see the aliens one must go to a dark place or out in the country, be alone in the early AM? Did I get that right?

Why will this event scare me? Are they hideous?

Roper

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Ksnazdnzon

People found that out by actually exploring, learning, and.. thinking.

They didn't just say, My life has no wonder in it, I KNOW! I'll suddenly think there are all these alien races everywhere.

Listen, I belive anything is possible, the universe is only what is known. Unknown is infinite, that's where wonder comes from. I don't take that unknown and suddenly transform it into the known from my own ideas. That would not only take out the wonder in life, it would close my mind and also make absolutley no sense.

When an alien race come sover here, explains where they are from, etc.. or we get proof of them coming here or being out there, I won't assume they are here or even out there. I can understand the possibility, but as far as we can go on, I can only say there is a BIG chance of alien races out there. I stay mentaly healthy, understand the possibility of anything, but do not go on something from my own ideas as our combined reality. And tell people things I have no idea about.

I know that you think I am making all this up because my mom neglected me while I was growing up and I compensated by creating these imaginary friends. Well my life was not that bad, and my mother didn’t neglect me. My life has always been fairly good, and sometimes great----so far I have been fairly lucky, if one wishes to use that word.

I saw earth from space more than once-----not a dream, not an illusion. When I was very young some fifty years ago before the USSR and the US put people into orbit, before any television shows like Star Track, and many alien movies, and books-----I was running around a space ship with other children----I often looked out the ship and saw huge globes hanging in the darkness of space.

I lived in a small village with no modern conveniences, televisions and radios and books of fiction didn’t exist for us-----there is no way my mind could have created what I experience without having some reference-----like tv, books and stories. My parents didn’t and don’t believe in ET, so they didn’t tell me stories. And how would they have described a fantastical ship when the bicycle was our main form of transportation.

To bad you can’t push the envelop a bit and stretch your mind around stuff like that-----I guess you’ll have to wait until it happens to you before you can believe-----nothing wrong with that.

My mind is stretched as far as it can stretch, I belive in all I just don't belive in all. I know all is possible, I just choose to act as if only we know is possible, to keep sane until we find out it's possible. This impossible is called the unknown, some is in fantasy and fiction some is imaginably far beyond that. It's possible, it's happening, but it's not. Unless there is proof. I have had dreams from nothing before too, all we can do is theorize.

I think your the one being more closeminded than I. Unless others have been with you when you went on these ships, then it could be created from your own subconcoius, mabye thoughts were telepathicly given to you of aliens, mabye you had a past life, mabye you live in another dimension, mabye your actually just dreaming this life and your really an alien? WE DON'T KNOW.

I realize what you say COULD be true, but I can't belive you without proof, and spreading your stories without proof is what most people call insane. Whatever happend to you has billions of explanations, unless all these aliens come down and say hi, yeah it's us to the whole world. You are wrong.

Originally posted by Ksnazdnzon
Whatever happend to you has billions of explanations, unless all these aliens come down and say hi, yeah it's us to the whole world. You are wrong.

If you ever find something in your life being repeated, over and over again, in a blurry and yet very real way, then I guess you might believe it is real.

Just what exactly that something is remains in question.

I believe that sleeper is... insanely real...when he claims to have been abducted by ETs, just as I believe that non-physical entities are harder to prove than their animated counterparts.

Originally posted by Annanuki Goddess
The ET's job is not to make everyone believe in them? I mean free will is taught in almost all religions and ways of thinking in general, so free will lets one determine if you will believe this or not. I don't think they need all of us on this planet to believe in them...the message is out there for us to come to our own conclusions. They know that, and I think that is just fine with them. Just like not everyone believes in the same God or that there even is a God, the same is true with ETs.

Just my humble opinion though...

-Annanuki Goddess-

Annanuki,

If ETs wanted full disclosure it would be easy for them to do it----they don't want that-----way to disruptive, instead they let it permeate out slowly through crop circles, abductions, movies, books, and people like me who seek lots of attention. Most will not believe----look how long it took to figure out that the earth moves around the sun and this planet is not flat-----even though simple instruments and common sense could have disclosed those facts.

Some people will believe-----not because they are easily fooled but because they know instinctively. Most will continue to graze on the same old sod because that's what everyone else is doing.

And that's fine like you stated-----they will come around when they are ready----or not.

Originally posted by sleeper

they let it permeate out slowly-----they will come around when they are ready----or not.

I wish they'd get a move on. I haven't had a decent nights sleep in ages. At least then they could email me and make an appointment...!!

Can not believe this thread has gone this far. Sleeper you must be from Hollywood. As old as you claim to be and not coming forward until now on this site(WOW you certainly have no problem talking now). When in the beginnng of the thread you knew nothing it seems you have started a great response to the questions. You guys this sleeper is a TROLL. Sleeper you are a great piece of work with your responses. You live for attention. Good for you but peolple like me will find the truth. So sorry for you. Just trying to set things straight for this forum.

Ask your buddies to figure this out.

P.S.

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[edit on 24-5-2005 by Truthforall]

Originally posted by Roper
Howdy Sleeper, question, to see the aliens one must go to a dark place or out in the country, be alone in the early AM? Did I get that right?

Why will this event scare me? Are they hideous?

Roper

Roper,

What I was getting at was that if you want something bad enough you can make it happen, including an alien abduction.

ETs can pick you up and even visit with you in Time Square in broad daylight if they wish-----without anyone seeing them except you.

You don't need an ET to feel fear late at night in a dark forest alone by yourself with no weapons or flashlights.

But if you can handle that for about a half hour or more you will have a tiny bit of an idea of what abductees feel when ETs pick them up.

I don't know if they are hideous I don't recall exactly what they look like----but there is something about them that brings the fear of god to the surface.

Perhaps they control the situation by projecting things into the mind----because they can make it a pleasant experience as well.

Did you answer my question sleeper?

If not, its one page back from here.