Opt Out - When Did I Opt In?

Hello all and welcome to my RANT:


Today, it seems like everything has an option to Opt Out. The problem is, no one ever asked my permission to Opt me In to anything! So people are taking my information without my permission.

"You agreed.." no... I didn't. I don't automatically agree to anything. You didn't offer me anything so how can I agree to it? How do I not agree but get the same service as everyone else?

Right now.. Airports nation wide are opting you in to take your pictures, throw you in a big database so they can track you and know who you are at any time. You can opt out (for now) but why? Why is it legal to opt me in?

That's like saying... You delivered a $50,000 car to my driveway and since I didn't opt out, I'm liable for the payments. How ridiculous is this? This is exactly what everyone does now. There are no opt-in options.

"But you agree..." I didn't agree to a damn thing! I bought a phone. Turning it on shouldn't opt me in to a damn thing. I bought cookware. That shouldn't opt me in to getting spam about sofas!

I should have to opt in if I want you to give my medical information away. Not out!

Opt'ing out is something I would have agreed to in the first place and not blindly. Simply making an action isn't me confirming that I'm opting in to anything.


It blows me away that we have privacy laws while this boat has no bottom and the water just comes in at will. Not 1 law out there to protect us from this mass identity grab but we're responsible for every bit of it.

This needs to change. It takes so much effort to accomplish anything even as advanced as we are because of all the dumb that lines our way so others can steal anything they want from you. It's just data... It's not worth...

only millions to big business.

a reply to: Timber13

Your rant is welcome here, and heard.

You are nibbling at it.
This supposed Legal-Context™, that we have all been seemingly unknowingly recruited into.

It was invented, like many other human Constructs™, to Control™ us.
Not invented by us.

But how dare any of us be Ignorant-of-the-Law™ ?

Have looked into it a bit, and it's a thick and thorny brush they have boxed us into.

All They™ have to do, is post, somewhere publicly, what they intend to do.
If we don't Counter-Offer™, or send Them™ a NOL™ ( Notice-of-Liability™ ), it is considered that we have accepted Their™ original Offer™.

It's a big frickin Racket™, and it is never explained clearly to the common man, just how They™ work their Scam™.

So : by that System™, we automatically acquiesce to whatever the hell They™ want to do.
Yes : It's dirty and underhanded, but that's who we are dealing with.

Seems to me that all of Their™ Boxes™ are BS™ though. ...

a reply to: Timber13


Somewhere right about here (see below in red) pretty sure it's been discussed here before. Pretty sure plenty of ATS veterans pointed out the inherent problems contemporaneously as well. Even with the 9/11 fervor

en.wikipedia.org...

The USA PATRIOT Act (commonly known as the Patriot Act) was a landmark Act of the United States Congress, signed into law by President George W. Bush. The formal name of the statute is the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT) Act of 2001, and the commonly used short name is a contrived acronym that is embedded in the name set forth in the statute.[1]
An Act to deter and punish terrorist acts in the United States and across the globe, to enhance law enforcement investigatory tools, and for other purposes.
Acronyms (colloquial):
USA PATRIOT Act
Nicknames:
Patriot Act
Enacted by:
the 107th United States Congress
Effective:
October 26, 2001
Public law:
Pub.L. 107–56
Statutes at Large:
115 Stat. 272
Acts amended:
Electronic Communications Privacy Act, Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, Money Laundering Control Act, Bank Secrecy Act, Right to Financial Privacy Act, Fair Credit Reporting Act, Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Victims of Crime Act of 1984, Telemarketing and Consumer Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act
Titles amended:
8, 12, 15, 18, 20, 31, 42, 47, 49, 50
U.S.C. sections created:
18 USC § 2712, 31 USC § 5318A, 15 USC § 1681v, 8 USC § 1226A, 18 USC § 1993, 18 USC § 2339, 18 USC § 175b, 50 USC § 403-5b, 51 USC § 5103a
U.S.C. sections amended:
8 USC § 1105, 8 USC § 1182g, 8 USC § 1189, 8 USC § 1202, 12 USC § 1828, 12 USC § 3414, 15 USC § 1681a, 15 USC § 6102, 15 USC § 6106, 18 USC § 7, 18 USC § 81, 18 USC § 175, 18 USC § 470, 18 USC § 471, 18 USC § 472, 18 USC § 473, 18 USC § 474, 18 USC § 476, 18 USC § 477, 18 USC § 478, 18 USC § 479, 18 USC § 480, 18 USC § 481, 18 USC § 484, 18 USC § 493, 18 USC § 917, 18 USC § 930, 18 USC § 981, 18 USC § 1029, 18 USC § 1030, 18 USC § 1362, 18 USC § 1363, 18 USC § 1366, 18 USC § 1956, 18 USC § 1960, 18 USC § 1961, 18 USC § 1992, 18 USC § 2155, 18 USC § 2325, 18 USC § 2331, 18 USC § 2332e, 18 USC § 2339A, 18 USC § 2339B, 18 USC § 2340A, 18 USC § 2510, 18 USC § 2511, 18 USC § 2516, 18 USC § 2517, 18 USC § 2520, 18 USC § 2702, 18 USC § 2703, 18 USC § 2707, 18 USC § 2709, 18 USC § 2711, 18 USC § 3056, 18 USC § 3077, 18 USC § 3103, 18 USC § 3121, 18 USC § 3123, 18 USC § 3124, 18 USC § 3127, 18 USC § 3286, 18 USC § 3583, 20 USC § 1232g, 20 USC § 9007, 31 USC § 310 (redesignated), 31 USC § 5311, 31 USC § 5312, 31 USC § 5317, 31 USC § 5318, 31 USC § 5319, 31 USC § 5321, 31 USC § 5322, 31 USC § 5324, 31 USC § 5330, 31 USC § 5331, 31 USC § 5332, 31 USC § 5341, 42 USC § 2284, 42 USC § 2284, 42 USC § 3796, 42 USC § 3796h, 42 USC § 10601, 42 USC § 10602, 42 USC § 10603, 42 USC § 10603b, 42 USC § 14601, 42 USC § 14135A, 47 USC § 551, 49 USC § 31305, 49 USC § 46504, 49 USC § 46505, 49 USC § 60123, 50 USC § 403-3c, 50 USC § 401a, 50 USC § 1702, 50 USC § 1801, 50 USC § 1803, 50 USC § 1804, 50 USC § 1805, 50 USC § 1806, 50 USC § 1823, 50 USC § 1824, 50 USC § 1842, 50 USC § 1861, 50 USC § 1862, 50 USC § 1863

a reply to: Nothin

All They have to do, is post, somewhere publicly, what they intend to do.

They've done that already ...

originally posted by: Timber13
You delivered a $50,000 car to my driveway and since I didn't opt out, I'm liable for the payments.

Don't give the industry any ideas!!

Growing up I remember the "Whatever of the Month" clubs. Something would show up in the mail unsolicited, usually a book or toy model kit. WELLL... if you didn't contact them immediately and/or send it back with "Refused return to sender", that meant you accepted membership, and this # would keep coming every month at some ridiculous price you had to pay.

Today's "By picking up this device you agreed to all of our terms" is just a different form of it.

a reply to: Timber13

You think this is bad, you're going to completely lose it when CBDC's go mainstream.

The Bill of Rights will DIE the second they institute CBDC and the public willfully consents to it's use and usury.

OVER.

a reply to: EternalShadow

That's the problem. They think by not complying, you're complying.

The crux of it all is, you can't NOT comply. You're either forced into it because someone made a rule (not a law), you can't enter (eat - buy - trade - be included - own - rent - and so forth) without consenting. You're pushed into a corner without an option or a choice.

You're almost always going to be met with "Well, just don't do it". That's not always an option either. Think about the forms you have to sign when you walk into a clinic. You literally have terms of service when you purchase food. Your credit card is tracked for every single purchase and most people don't realize that that information is not private.

Pay cash...

They found a work around for that too. Facial recognition.

My boss constantly laughs and says people are crazy if they think their information is secure. I'm with him on that but where we differ... He's totally ok with it. It's nothing. Privacy means zero. "I have nothing to hide".

That's not the point. Our forefathers had nothing to hide when they put these laws into effect. People are just carelessly throwing their rights away and in turn, since so many people do it now, suddenly it's ok to just naturally do it to everyone else. Their acceptance opted me in to their stupidity. Their acceptance gave away my rights by default (and my own by playing along) and there is nothing I nor anyone can do about it any longer.


Now imagine this being any other of our rights. It really is.




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Adding:

You know 10-20 years ago, if someone asked for my SSN, I told them to kick rocks. There wasn't anything anyone could do. By no means, unless they were a bank or a hospital, could they make me give them my SSN.

Today - That is NOT the case. My apartment complex knows how much I make INCLUDING my 401k.

WHAT? I'm not joking. This is what's happening in the US now. They can see what I make but supposedly they don't adjust my rent accordingly. No laws say they cant. I can't refuse them because If I do, I have to move. Where? Most apartments are doing this now, including some automated key lock/electricity/water meters that a 3rd party owns - Oh man, it's just trash now! There is nothing 'private' about life anymore.

Like I said, you're in a corner and no one is doing anything about it legally. Rights are a thing of the past.

Maybe the internet isn’t your cup of tee. Perhaps trying pen pals may ease your pain?

a reply to: Brotherman

Seriously? The internet? That's what you think is going on here?

Is that all you took from this? I mean, other than your que to be a smartass.

The EU introduced a whole bunch of 'protections for citizens' in respect of these types of opt-in/opt-out requirements.

In principal you are always supposed to be defaulted to opt-out and should be asked if you want to opt-in.

In practice it is either generally ignored or the use of 'legitimate interest' is applied to avoid asking you for partial opt-in. You are still supposed to be able to opt-out from legitimate interest data capture, but you won't be automatically told - it's up to you to look and actively decline.

And finally in everyday application it is mostly just simply ignored or even actively and wilfully bypassed using deceptive practices and impossible legal agreements that you are required to enter into in order to complete the transaction.

Data is money, the more detailed and personal the data is the more value it has, it's the wet dream of mass marketeers and the fraudulent organisations they serve.

a reply to: Timber13

I agree, and I'll go farther by saying the US government and telecommunications do next to nothing regarding phone scams. They have the wherewithal and resources to shut this crap down, but do next to nothing about it.

Perhaps a little off-topic, however the "opt out" thing is essentially a scam perpetrated by companies and corporations, and the above matter is a scam that corporations and the government allow to continue.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

I think it's just greed now. Once, you would give a service for a fee. The service and the fee were most often on par with one another.

today, not so much. Now it's to see how much they can get from you at once. I thought we had laws against price gouging but it looks like so many are doing it that either they don't care to police it or they're part of it. ...or they gave up.

Somehow, I get the impression they want some of that cake too.

I think so much has degraded in the past few years than ever before. I feel like we're definitely on that downward slope.