CA lawmaker warns Black residents to be 'realistic' on reparations

I Disagree ! give them 20 billion each.
as the US can just keep increase the National Debt.

Debt to GDP ratios:

Japan - Debt: 221.32% of GDP

China - Debt: 279.7% of GDP

USA - Debt: 120.20697 of GDP

So what's the problem USA?

a reply to: Maxmars

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Citizenship issues notwithstanding. Freeing the slaves was a unlawful taking without compensation. One issue the south revolted over was this unlawful taking. So if the reparations issue gets reopened then the slave owners have a valid claim to them. $1200 to $1500 a slave with 160 years of compound interest.

As in, stop begging and get a job. You are owed nothing. These reparations seeking dopes are offending every single other race in the US and should be sued out of existence. What a waste of taxpayer money to give these idiots a mic to speak into

originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: Maxmars

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Citizenship issues notwithstanding. Freeing the slaves was a unlawful taking without compensation. One issue the south revolted over was this unlawful taking. So if the reparations issue gets reopened then the slave owners have a valid claim to them. $1200 to $1500 a slave with 160 years of compound interest.

[I bolded the exclusionary text above which speaks against your point]

(Should we have compensated Al Capone for all the smuggled Canadian molasses we 'stole' from him during prohibition?)

Your argument won't stand... it didn't at the time of the Civil War, it won't today.

Slaves were considered then as 'contraband' - at best... as 'war assets' in service of an enemy state at worst.

Slaves weren't 'taken away' they were freed. The perspective of a dead slave state is immaterial - they lost. Ultimately, the loss 'slave owners' suffered was from their own initial action of enslaving another person. "Slaves" were never valid "property" then just as they are not now.

Why are we arguing for the financial recompense of the perpetrators of dehumanizing subjugation? Just for kicks?

In other words, I disagree with your interpretation of Constitutional protections applied to enemy combatant states which declared themselves 'separate" from the country they were at war with.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm
a reply to: carewemust

I am more concerned with the Locusts leaving that state for other states, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas go more blue

Grew up in NM and now have been in CA for 40 years. NM has always been a CA mini-me. There is even a thriving movie industry in Albq, complete with studios and soundstages. Back in the LA noir days, Albq had the highest crime rate per capita in the US. Heroin trade. Up from Mexico, cut and repackaged, on to Chicago and LA. APD was drowning in crime and internal corruption. Organized crime was outgunning everyone. Los Alamos was originally owed by Capone. It was seized by the Feds. It came with a guard tower, and barracks and wasn't on any maps. Perfect for secret rocket science. Anyway..... LAPD and APD joined up, APD were trained with LAPD officers and many connections were made.

Politically, NM goes where CA goes. Dont even get me started how the CA elite and artsy community RUINED Santa Fe and Taos. And are the center of NM politics.

AZ was far more conservative, between the two. But alas, too many CA expats have brought their kooky with them to AZ.

Good to read some understand, People left Portland, Seattle for more gun rights in Arizona under the disguise 2a is for everyone but they do not support that.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: EmeraldCoastFreedm
a reply to: carewemust

I am more concerned with the Locusts leaving that state for other states, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas go more blue

Arizona and New Mexico and Nevada are now Blue.

The proof?: They voted for a Democrat with Dementia to lead our nation....their nation.

Yep they imported Portland, Seattle Anitifa santinist types.

a reply to: EmeraldCoastFreedm

Principalities and powers. We can see how has spread from the Left Coast to the rest of the SW, like a contagion. It is.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: HUBE007

originally posted by: TheToastmanCometh
a reply to: Maxmars

lets face it... many of them don't want the reparations for the pain of their ancestors. theyjust want them to buy the newest Gucci purse or a Cadillac Escalade with spinrims

Tasteless and pretty offensive...

The lowest common denominator of society, and I have some in my family which is not black, only wants quick handouts. Let's be painfully honest with one another here. You and I both know that whatever color the skin, the people who are like this aren't thinking about how they could use a payout like this for their long-term best interests. They see dollar signs and short-term gratification of all the things they want and can't have which is basically why they are in the economic strata they are in.

supposing California gave all its blacks a million $
how many would be broke in a year or two?
and then asking for more. 'one million wasn't enough'.

The NAACP (Negro Association of Advanced Colored People) is telling people of color to boycott the state of FLORIDA, but wants the leaders of all states (including Florida) to give $$$ reparations to Colored People.

This NAACP President is not firing on all cylinders: www.breitbart.com...

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: EmeraldCoastFreedm

Principalities and powers. We can see how has spread from the Left Coast to the rest of the SW, like a contagion. It is.

And the good thing they post it on social media so you can see their kit... I don't want to say it publicly but 90% dont wear their plate carriers properly

a reply to: Maxmars

If any debt / reparations is owed, it's from the black community. But no one wants to have that conversation.

originally posted by: Maxmars

originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: Maxmars

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Citizenship issues notwithstanding. Freeing the slaves was a unlawful taking without compensation. One issue the south revolted over was this unlawful taking. So if the reparations issue gets reopened then the slave owners have a valid claim to them. $1200 to $1500 a slave with 160 years of compound interest.

[I bolded the exclusionary text above which speaks against your point]

(Should we have compensated Al Capone for all the smuggled Canadian molasses we 'stole' from him during prohibition?)

Your argument won't stand... it didn't at the time of the Civil War, it won't today.

Slaves were considered then as 'contraband' - at best... as 'war assets' in service of an enemy state at worst.

Slaves weren't 'taken away' they were freed. The perspective of a dead slave state is immaterial - they lost. Ultimately, the loss 'slave owners' suffered was from their own initial action of enslaving another person. "Slaves" were never valid "property" then just as they are not now.

Why are we arguing for the financial recompense of the perpetrators of dehumanizing subjugation? Just for kicks?

In other words, I disagree with your interpretation of Constitutional protections applied to enemy combatant states which declared themselves 'separate" from the country they were at war with.

Sorry to beat a dead horse here but just noticed the reply. Only problem here is none of the original slave owners were tried over their "insurrection" and they're dead now so they can't be tried. Your argument is about 100 years too old. It's been mooted by the passage of time and the deaths of the original slave owners. Like it or not the former slaves were "stolen" property. And the slave owners were owed reparations per the 5th Amendment.

And we're arguing the point because if slaves are owed reparations then so are the slave owners.

This is why the Emancipation clause of the 14th Amendment was passed. To protect the slave from claims, to protect slave owners from claims, and above all to protect the Federal government and it's treasury from claims by the slaves and the owners. They wanted slavery reparations dead for all time.