Challenging Misconceptions: A Critical Examination of Alien Life and Our Presumptions.

Firstly, I feel the need to challenge the notion that Filters are a reality.
Just because someone has invented an appealing term to describe a potential scenario or a possible law of nature, it doesn't make it true.

There are numerous ideas out there that the public accepts without questioning. For example, the beliefs that men can become women and vice versa; that it's acceptable to let emotionally unstable individuals educate our children; that wearing a mask can stop a pandemic; that the government is always trustworthy; and that the universe was created from absolutely nothing by a big bang.
This list could be expanded indefinitely, but the point is clear: There are countless ideas considered as truth by the public which are, in fact, baseless.
The theory of Filters, which proposes that there's a natural law filtering life and intelligent life, is just such an idea. Despite its scientific presentation, it can neither be proven nor disproven. Aka it is purely speculation, and does not deserve the credibility it has been given.

Secondly, let's discuss intelligent alien life.
Consider our society and, more specifically, our governments. Do they trust each other? Do they interact in a spirit of fraternity?
We have caught Israeli spies in the U.S., while the UK and Germany have detected U.S. spies in their countries. These are our strongest allies. So, it's plausible to assume that intelligent alien species might also have contentious relationships.

Many species would not share common interests, communication methods, or cultural norms. Why then would we expect them to behave civilly towards each other? It's highly likely they could destroy each other and their home planets. So, there must be a state of detente, and boundaries of owned space must exist. Consequently, it's also plausible that other parts of the galaxy experience frequent incursions and retaliation, maintaining a state of constant galactic warfare.

Espionage is probably a significant motivation for spacefaring species. While some may be benign, others might be so malevolent that we'd need to invent a new term to describe them. There could be species composed of horrendous-looking beings that would make Hitler, Zedong, Stalin, and Kim Jong Il appear as harmless as puppies.

So why don't they obliterate our planet? Why don't they suddenly descend upon us and exploit/rape our society and planet?
I propose two possible answers:

1. There might be a galactic government, and we happen to reside in a part of the galaxy that enjoys representation. Eventually, we'll discover our place and the rules and get to meet our caretakers.

2. The universe might not operate as we scientifically understand it. All beings could be aware of their creation via a supreme being, living by rules set forth by this entity and understanding the eternal damnation of interfering with our world without permission (akin to angels).

The second option reveals my belief in the Bible and the creator it describes. However, I don't feel this interpretation prevents many of the scenarios proposed in science fiction. Based on the sprinkling of data the Bible presents, the rest of creation could be phantasmic. The universe is likely so intricate, unusual, bewildering, and magical that we lack the creative ability to describe it fully. The Bible merely skims the surface of creation, leaving much of the universe's story to our imagination and discovery. As Proverbs 25:2 states, "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings is to search out a matter."

Lastly, why would our government conceal the existence of alien beings that visit us regularly?
I believe it is naive and dangerous (and downright stupid) to assume that extraterrestrial visitors would have our best interests at heart.
The fact that a single race of beings visits us implies that numerous others have done the same.

The governments of this planet likely withholds this truth because public awareness of numerous alien races exploiting/raping our people and resources, at their will, could potentially destabilize the rule of law, incite fear, and lead to demands for a unified global government.
Ronald Reagan alluded to this truth in several UN speeches. His words will likely resonate for countless generations once the truth is revealed.

The only real filter we face is our inability to catch up technologically and to counter the subtle infiltration of all systems of commerce, government, and communication.
It's conceivable that most, if not all, of these visiting species possess supercomputers, the size of a desktop PC, and can consume and manipulate all data on our openly accessible web, in real time.

We are seemingly trapped. How could we ever escape the tethers of beings manipulating us without our knowledge, preventing us from realization of their meddling in our affairs and evading us the ability to stop it.

Perhaps at some point, the government that claims ownership of our part of the galaxy will step, introduce themselves, and clarify the rules. My only hope is that this governing entity is benign and not some sort of intergalactic tyrant in the vein of Kim Jong Il.

a reply to: FingerMan

The second option reveals my belief in the Bible and the creator it describes. However, I don't feel this interpretation prevents many of the scenarios proposed in science fiction.

You find me confused here Finger. A belief in the Bible and the teachings of Jesus and all the Bible relates is always taught to
in a manner that there is only one scenario, that Jesus Saves and the when all is said and done, his people will be saved and Raptured and the rest left for the devil.

So how do you get to any of the other scenarios you have listed in your OP? Do you understand my confusion ?

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: FingerMan

The second option reveals my belief in the Bible and the creator it describes. However, I don't feel this interpretation prevents many of the scenarios proposed in science fiction.

You find me confused here Finger. A belief in the Bible and the teachings of Jesus and all the Bible relates is always taught to
in a manner that there is only one scenario, that Jesus Saves and the when all is said and done, his people will be saved and Raptured and the rest left for the devil.

So how do you get to any of the other scenarios you have listed in your OP? Do you understand my confusion ?

I think you have a false interpretation of specific and different prophecies of the bible. Which is fine. Way back when, I also listened to and believed that specific interpretation.

First off, there is the pre-trib and post-trib rapture theories. I think it is more accurate the rapture will happen as Jesus descends to battle with the world. Aka post-trib. I think it is just good policy for many in the Church to push the pre-trib rapture. Gives solace to people they won't endure the tribulation. While the tribulation affects the entire world, it mostly affects Israel, as the prophecies are spoken of from a Israel point of view. The prophets didn't envision the tribulation from a small town in Colorado.

But just on that subject, how does Jesus descend? Is he in a vehicle? Are there other species of beings that accompany him? Are angels just a biblical term for aliens? Just as dragon is the biblical term for dinosaurs?

a reply to: FingerMan

The governments of this planet likely withholds this truth because public awareness of numerous alien races exploiting/raping our people and resources, at their will, could potentially destabilize the rule of law, incite fear, and lead to demands for a unified global government.

I agreed , until I read about this global government?! Why would anyone want/demand this? It certainly wouldn't solve a thing as all governments are corrupt and a global government will mean even less oversight , and full monopoly on freedom.
Even if governments could be trusted, a global government is not realistic. I honestly think we should do away with all governments as they are just there to serve themselves and can never be trusted.
I'd trust any aliens before I trust our government

a reply to: ancientlight

I think a one world government is inevitable eventually. And the precursor that government will likely be aliens.
And what is terrifying about that is - that could all be part of the plan.

Realize, I'm just speculating here. I'm just annoyed at how people enmasse, and on this board, can't think outside the box that hollywood and popular scientists put them in. The truth is likely much stranger than anything I could post.

Tribulation is a time of testing. People still have a chance to repent and receive forgiveness. The aliens are here and are likely already running this planet through satanic families like the Rothschilds. The aliens are the same that were discussed in mythology and in the Bible. Their first estate was not here and was likely in another dimension. They are now stuck here. Some are chained in the abyss. Some of you will see them. They will be released during the tribulation. All the strange sexual stuff going on like men becoming women and women becoming men are caused by their spiritual return. That is Ishtar, Artemis/Diana. They did the same thing thousands of years ago. This is nothing new. There are at least 9 different types of fallen beings/aliens. They are likely not from another planet but will likely tell you they are when they reappear on the scene. I believe they will have a big plan and bring about a new world order and temporary peace. Do not be fooled. They are not your friends. They hate you and want you condemned the same as they are. Most people on Earth will be fooled and tricked. They will attack and murder those who do not accept the (so called) returning gods.
I hope you make the right choice.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
Tribulation is a time of testing. People still have a chance to repent and receive forgiveness. The aliens are here and are likely already running this planet through satanic families like the Rothschilds. The aliens are the same that were discussed in mythology and in the Bible. Their first estate was not here and was likely in another dimension. They are now stuck here. Some are chained in the abyss. Some of you will see them. They will be released during the tribulation. All the strange sexual stuff going on like men becoming women and women becoming men are caused by their spiritual return. That is Ishtar, Artemis/Diana. They did the same thing thousands of years ago. This is nothing new. There are at least 9 different types of fallen beings/aliens. They are likely not from another planet but will likely tell you they are when they reappear on the scene. I believe they will have a big plan and bring about a new world order and temporary peace. Do not be fooled. They are not your friends. They hate you and want you condemned the same as they are. Most people on Earth will be fooled and tricked. They will attack and murder those who do not accept the (so called) returning gods.
I hope you make the right choice.

But wouldn't 'some' of them be angels? lol

And I think a spirit is a movement of an idea through people, like a wave in water.

a reply to: FingerMan

This Self Entitled Governing Entity you Speak of is Human , and We the Masses are their Burden .

a reply to: FingerMan

...the subtle infiltration of all systems of commerce, government, and communication.

And: the mind.
I tend to lean towards your no2

2. The universe might not operate as we scientifically understand it. All beings could be aware of their creation via a supreme being, living by rules set forth by this entity and understanding the eternal damnation of interfering with our world without permission (akin to angels).

Except that all religious texts are to be taken as brought to you from the minds of people who had far less differentiated concepts of the Cosmos and everything in it than we have.
Which still isn't enough to enable us communicating what we're dealing with, how it's connected to us, ... or to write a handbook 'So You've Been Contacted' because I believe everybody is/will be.
From what I understand they identify as 'gardeners' these days, not angels anymore.
Which is what happens I guess when a concept gets so loaded with fantastic details they stop to be useful.

It's conceivable that most, if not all, of these visiting species possess supercomputers, the size of a desktop PC, and can consume and manipulate all data on our openly accessible web, in real time.

I think it's conceivable that all of them have learned to manipulate the source code directly using the universe's own computing capabilities. To manipulate everything quarks-sized upwards. Including consciousness, dark matter & energy, time...everything

a reply to: FingerMan

I don't really take pieces and parts of the Bible to heart and disregard other parts. So with that being said, from at least my perspective, if one believes in the Bible it is impossible for aliens to exist.

Just like I can't prove a negative, no one who believes in aliens can prove their existence because in the however many years (billions? millions? thousands?) humans have inhabited earth there has been no actual proof of alien life. UFO/UAP means nothing because they could all be secret government/military projects. And at this point, even if I personally saw an alien it would take a lot more than that to convince me it was real because of the 3D hologram technology that exists now.

I also think that for the NWO reasons you stated, if there were aliens visiting earth, world governments would exploit that fact and make sure everybody knew about it just for that reason, because they think it would unite the world to fight the common enemy. The global elites want the NWO to happen so bad, I don't see them not making it very well known if they actually had proof of alien life visiting us. I think whatever we end up seeing as far as "alien" life goes will just be more fakery from the elites.

originally posted by: Antimony
a reply to: FingerMan

I don't really take pieces and parts of the Bible to heart and disregard other parts. So with that being said, from at least my perspective, if one believes in the Bible it is impossible for aliens to exist.

I kindly ask you, where did I disregard other parts of the bible?

See, this is the point of my OP. People really cannot see outside the box they have been indoctrinated into.
Don't know why I can see this box so clearly, and why I can see others are unable to see their prison. But I can.

And I already know the answer to my question. I did not disregard parts of the bible. And I would not.
The bible does speak of other life forms. They are called Angels.
Do you know what an Angel is?
Nobody does. And I do not purport to know either. But I can postulate.

The simplest answers usually being correct, I would assume that Angels are simply people from other planets.
Remember, the heavens are not another dimension. The heavens have always referred to the stars and outer space, aka the 3rd heaven.
So for me, it is logical to assume that is what they are.
And it is also logical to assume they don't just float in the air. They have technology so far advanced to ours, it would seem magical.

And it is possible our indoctrinated idea of Aliens from other planets is 100% wrong. And our expectation may be 100% wrong.
These many different Angels/Aliens might be direct creations of God, Son's of God. And they may have different history and purpose.
Some may not be happy with their purpose, hence the "Fallen Angels", and they may also not be happy with our purpose.

Do you know who the 24 Elders of the book of Revelation are?
I used to think they were the Twelve sons of Jacob, and the Twelve Apostles.
But understanding the Bible, I doubt this is the case.
I have a new theory on what is going on in the Chamber of God in this particular piece of Revelation.
Maybe the 24 Elders are representatives of 24 other sentient races that have proven worthy to stand before the Lord.
I could be totally off on that, but I picture that part of Revelation in my head like a Star Wars movie, mixed with Lord of the Rings. And the two Beasts that provide counsel to God. Wow, where did they come from and what is their purpose.
Maybe John was taken into a 5th or 6th Dimension and the description of these beasts only make sense in that reality.

The many ideas I have postulated in the OP are just as relevant as any other idea of what Aliens are that have been pushed on us via indoctrination by hollywood or some YT documentary.
It is so because we have zero direct evidence of who/what they are. We just know they are visiting us and interfering.
And if you believe in the Bible, then you could easily postulate something similar to what I have done, without contradicting a jot or tiddle of the Bible.

Some food for thought…….

From wiki…

Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. Partial Bible translations into languages of the English people can be traced back to the late 7th century, including translations into Old and Middle English. More than 100 complete translations into English have been written.

Who’s translated version of the Bible should one believe when there are so many done in terms of the English versions?

Each version having it’s own slant….

In these versions there are differences…otherwise they wouldn’t have been published by authors and publishing entities who felt another version was needed. After awhile, some meanings get lost in the translation.

Up until recently I use to think that the old English King James Version was the first version of the English Bible translated from the Greek, Latin, etc. sources was the definitive Bible.

It appears I erred. The original version, Pre-KJV, is the Tyndale / Coverdale Version which was the first English translation.

So again with so many English translation’s….who’s version do you trust the most that….throughout the years of revising… hasn’t changed the inspired words of god? Or hasn’t given verse’s different meanings, by changing words of older verse’s.

Even the original sourced languages have had changes.

Going farther back …. why 4 gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke, John) telling basically the same underlining story….why not just 1 gospel. Each author was compelled to either add and or delete (not mention) material.

So my point being……the Bible is a book of stories inspired by God and open to interpretation by the reader. The farther one gets from the originally sourced writings, the likelihood mis-interpretation’s will happen.

Think of the 100 plus, and probably more future versions of English versions, of the Bible as one huge phone game.

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Some think that the Sumerian gods have returned or an alien species. The greatest threat to the world is an alien race that is human looking. The US government was forced to admit by a deadline that the UFO or UAP are real and not ours or from any other country. It was just a blip on the news media radar. Now if this has been revealed could they be in charge and molding the world and societies to their culture. Maybe that is why there is a push toward a one world government, voting fraud worldwide, trying to normalize cannibalism, child sex trafficking, non genders, a vaccine to be required around the world. Would there be a global vaccination before an alien invasion? Trying to get the world powers to fight themselves and deplete weapons. Some say the aliens will not allow nuclear weapons because they are quantum weapons, exploding in other areas of the galaxy. Could the ETs be forming a society in their image?

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Some food for thought…….

From wiki…

Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. Partial Bible translations into languages of the English people can be traced back to the late 7th century, including translations into Old and Middle English. More than 100 complete translations into English have been written.

Who’s translated version of the Bible should one believe when there are so many done in terms of the English versions?

Each version having it’s own slant….

In these versions there are differences…otherwise they wouldn’t have been published by authors and publishing entities who felt another version was needed. After awhile, some meanings get lost in the translation.

Up until recently I use to think that the old English King James Version was the first version of the English Bible translated from the Greek, Latin, etc. sources was the definitive Bible.

It appears I erred. The original version, Pre-KJV, is the Tyndale / Coverdale Version which was the first English translation.

So again with so many English translation’s….who’s version do you trust the most that….throughout the years of revising… hasn’t changed the inspired words of god? Or hasn’t given verse’s different meanings, by changing words of older verse’s.

Even the original sourced languages have had changes.

Going farther back …. why 4 gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke, John) telling basically the same underlining story….why not just 1 gospel. Each author was compelled to either add and or delete (not mention) material.

So my point being……the Bible is a book of stories inspired by God and open to interpretation by the reader. The farther one gets from the originally sourced writings, the likelihood mis-interpretation’s will happen.

Think of the 100 plus, and probably more future versions of English versions, of the Bible as one huge phone game.

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You don't trust any of them. That is why people learn greek, aramaic and hebrew in some seminaries to translate on their own.
There are few verses that make a difference between the translation of a single word.
But the few have been dissected a million times on the internet.