London ULEZ expansion

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Opponents of London's ULEZ expansion have launched a guerilla war against the very cameras that will be used to police the controversial scheme.

Shopping bags and cardboard boxes have started to appear over the Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras set up by Transport for London (TfL) across the capital.

More than 300 ANPR devices have been recently installed, while a total of 2,750 are due to be added in time for the official ULEZ expansion launch date on August 29 later this year.

Why don't they just say it how it is. The poor must stay at home so that the rich do not have to sit in traffic jams.

They say ultra low emissions, so you have to pay for battery cars too then? The reality is tones of rocks have to be super heated using coal to obtain a few hundred grams of rare earth metals like lithium and cobalt. Battery powered cars probably create just as much CO2 as modern efficient petrol engines over a 6 year lifespan, as that is all the batteries will be good for until your range drops. Then take into account we are charging the cars using mostly gas powered power stations, then it starts to just like a scam.

CO2 is blamed for climate change and yes there is a direct link to greenhouse effects, but in much larger concentrations. Our planets CO2 level has risen from 0.22% to 0.24% of the atmosphere over the last 100 years. Venus is used as evidence of greenhouse runaway warming, yes this is true but venus has an atmosphere made up of 96% carbon dioxide, earth has some coal burning to go first before it gets anywhere near that level. CO2 is not pollution, it is plant food and harmless to humans at low concentrations.

Thermodynamics is the main cause of climate change. Urbanization of our planet is causing warming, where in the past organic material had been covering our earth, large areas have been replaced with concrete and brick plus many other building materials. Thermal properties of brick and concrete, absorb heat during the day and radiate the heat during the night, so our cities are like blobs of thermal radiation into the atmosphere at night when normally there would not be natural a source of heat. Over time this slight warming is driving our climate change. The forest canopies that were in place where many of our cities are now built reflected the suns energy straight back out to space.

Look at China, they are self preservationists just as much as we are. They build a new coal power plant almost every week, but they now have trees and gardens on top of and up the sides of apartment blocks. Now why do you think China are doing that?

a reply to: LeeMich83

Thermodynamics is the main cause of climate change. Urbanization of our planet is causing warming, where in the past organic material had been covering our earth, large areas have been replaced with concrete and brick plus many other building materials. Thermal properties of brick and concrete, absorb heat during the day and radiate the heat during the night, so our cities are like blobs of thermal radiation into the atmosphere at night when normally there would not be natural a source of heat.

Sopt on , don't forget the 8 billion walking radiators either.


As for ULEZ , yeah it's a scam but it's also a pilot project to be rolled out to other towns and cities in this country , idiotic legislation from our idiotic ruling Elite.

Don't get me started on HS2.

be interesting to see if they end with Lewes style subversion, public technology was repeatedly blown up for over a decade, in the case of Lewes the rage was aimed mostly at the parking meters, the ones by the court blown up 26 times while losing count of the ones blown up by the police station..

huge issues arise when govs (local or national)do things voters hate..

a reply to: LeeMich83

You made an error Co2 is 0.03% of our atmosphere, you could round that up to 0.04%.

a reply to: gortex


HS2 £130 billion and rising to shave 15 minutes off a train journey from Manchester to London. The only people that can afford to use it is the rich yet again as a return ticket at peak time is currently £369.40 and is due to rise by 5.9% on 1st April 2023. That is one weeks wages (40 hours) at minimum wage here in the UK.

The UK is out of control, the wealth transfer from the poor to the rich during the 2008 banking crisis, then the Covid crisis is the fastest is has ever been in modern times. The UK is now a 2 tier society, the have's and the have nots. Even the middle classes are being pushed towards poverty and those that were already impoverished are now pushed towards destitution.

What did slaves used to get in the 1600s. Just about enough to eat to keep them working and a shoe box room to sleep in and nothing else. Well that is what a single adult in the UK can just about afford on minimum wage. You tell me what the difference is?

a reply to: enament

Thanks for correcting me, I did do that bit off memory, I should have checked first.

a reply to: LeeMich83

Why don't they just say it how it is. The poor must stay at home so that the rich do not have to sit in traffic jams.

I'm surprised that poor people can afford the petrol to sit in traffic jams given the fact that it costs near enough an arm and a leg these days.

As to climate change, well our Earth moves in Epochs.

Technically we are still living through an ice age or the arse end of the last one.

Whether or not man is responsible for the increase in temperature or not, we will still have to deal with the consequences of climate change, one way or the other.

a reply to: andy06shake

I agree, I do not deny climate change at all, I just know it isn't being caused by CO2. The urbanization theory fits the data. Urbanization rate and temperature increase rate corelate when transpose on a graph. CO2 levels being in the same range is just a happy coincidence for the governments who want to use that for taxation purposes. When your country is being run by a gaggle of narcissists and sociopaths, then what else would we expect?

a reply to: LeeMich83

Wow,thats awful. Stay outa London if you can. And I doubt the protests will do any good at all.

a reply to: LeeMich83

Its literally a full time job trying to get the figures right, its an important thing to get right when battling lefties in their climate agenda. Over the last 100 years its only increased by ABOUT 0.004% or 0.005% its now harder than ever to find the correct information now that search results are tainted with agenda laden articles.

They make the minute increases seem huge by doing charts and graphs in the 0.05% range, it makes it all look more dramatic even though Co2 levels in our atmosphere have been much much higher in the past.

These morons have an agenda to get rich off strip mining the planet to save the earth. Forcing people to switch from internal combustion engines to electric is communism since if the technology was superior the people would make a choice based on better technology. Your article is basically Geo Fencing in its infancy if its allowed to proceed the ultimate agenda is more and more control.

a reply to: andy06shake

I'm surprised that poor people can afford the petrol to sit in traffic jams given the fact that it costs near enough an arm and a leg these days.

I'm guessing you have lots of other ideas of what said poor people should be doing instead of working..

you remind me of the petitioners I find deeply irksome, on the local railway they petition that trains should only pass through stations serving poor people as stopping is bad for the environment and adds time on their journeys you see they don't think poor people are smart enough to work their way out of poverty which is the bit i get annoyed at..

I tend to think it incredibly snobby to think poor people cant make their lives work and work well within their means even in the face of the cost of living crisis many do and are thriving better than their richer counterparts.

my youngest got a mortgage on apprenticeship wages (under 25 its sh*t money) but living a good life is doable and he is incredibly happy..

a reply to: nickyw

I'm guessing you have lots of other ideas of what said poor people should be doing instead of working..

I'm not exactly well off myself nickyw, so what would those ideas be that you are ""guessing""?

you remind me of the petitioners I find deeply irksome, on the local railway they petition that trains should only pass through stations serving poor people as stopping is bad for the environment and adds time on their journeys you see they don't think poor people are smart enough to work their way out of poverty which is the bit i get annoyed at..

Thats nice, ile remind you manners cost nothing and assumptions can also be rather irksome.

I tend to think it incredibly snobby to think poor people cant make their lives work and work well within their means even in the face of the cost of living crisis many do and are thriving better than their richer counterparts.

A living wage might be nice actually in line with inflation for everyone.

my youngest got a mortgage on apprenticeship wages (under 25 its sh*t money) but living a good life is doable and he is incredibly happy..

Good luck to the boy, depending on the type of mortgage he has that could change.

If in doubt well i direct you toward what went down back in 2008.

Ile not say what you remind me of because i don't know you well enough to substantiate the thought.

Suffice to say all i did was point out the fact that petrol is expensive, you're the one making a load of assumptions by the looks of things.

Have a nice day.

a reply to: nickyw

Nicky I am not sure if you are from the UK or not but in case you are not I will give you some context here.

Current UK fuel prices

Diesel £1.60 a litre or $7.39 a gallon
Petrol £1.34 a litre or $6.19 a gallon

Miniumum wage in the UK is currently

Under 18 years old £4.81/$5.87 an hour
18 to 20 years old £6.83/$8.33 an hour
21 to 22 years old £9.18/$11.20 an hour
age 23 and older £9.50/$11.59 an hour

Added to that the UK public has the highest tax burden in a very long time, it was 32.7% in 2001, this year it will be 35.5% and by 2025 will be 36.3%.

Don't think supermarkets, energy companies and landlords charge less for their products to those under 23 years old, so I have no idea why the government thinks it is acceptable to have minimum wage lower for them.

I think andy was inferring that it was very difficult for those on the lower incomes to even afford that in the first place, which is true. Public transport in the UK isn't exactly cheap either. So I think the sentiment was towards unfairness.

a reply to: LeeMich83

Cheers LeeMich83.

I think andy was inferring that it was very difficult for those on the lower incomes to even afford that in the first place, which is true.

And the fact that people in employment on a low income or minimum wage are being forced to resort to the use of the likes of foodbanks in what is supposed to be a first-world nation perfectly illustrates that point.

It's getting so people cannot even afford the cost of fuel to travel to work never mind the unfortunate fact that they will probably find themself sitting stuck in traffic.

Again what is required is a living wage in line with inflation, not that I'm getting my hopes up on that score.

a reply to: LeeMich83
I remember reading that , just to produce the EV's battery, is the same a having driven a regular car 30k miles.
The ULEZ is a power tripping part of the 'great reset'

a reply to: LeeMich83

When your country is being run by a gaggle of narcissists and sociopaths, then what else would we expect?

That's putting it mildly to be honest.

What i expect is justice and accountability.

Which means im apt to be on to plums i suppose.

a reply to: ancientlight

Its a mixture of control and fund raising. Look at the M6 toll road, it is £8.20 to use it, they have converted to M6 to smart motorways, so instead of the speed limit being 70 miles per hour they reduce it, to make your journey time longer in hope to force you onto the toll road. I wouldn't mind but the Toll Road is owned by Australian Pension funds via Macquery Group, so whilst people in this country are taxed to the hilt, we fund comfortable retirements for Australians. If they wanted to build a new road, why did the government not fund it out of road tax and one of the highest fuel duties in the world?

This country gives its wealth away. Many of our utility companies and public transport operators are owned by German firms like Arriva and Centrica. Their rail journeys are subsidised by ours. We have one of the highest fares per mile whilst Germany has one of the lowest.

Poor governance over the years has bled this country dry. We are on the verge of bankruptcy, rapid increase in people living under poverty and we have no assets left that we haven't sold off. Why on earth people cross the english channel on rubber dinghy's to get here illegally I will never know. The UK's outlook for the future is bleak.

Here is a prime example of how poorly run this country is.

The sale of the married quarters estate
In 1996 the MOD sold the majority of the Married Quarters Estate (now referred to as Service Family Accommodation) in England and Wales to Annington Homes Ltd for £1.662 bn.

The sale was made on the basis that the MOD would lease back the properties for the use of armed forces personnel and pay rent on these units to Annington. The MOD remains responsible for maintaining the properties.

As properties become surplus to the MOD’s requirements they are then returned to Annington Homes who can either sell them or lease them to the public.

The MOD residential estate in Scotland was not part of the Annington Homes deal.

Key numbers
£2.2 billion to £4.2 billion – the amount the National Audit Office estimates the MOD would be better off if it had retained the estate (December 2016 prices)
37,620 properties currently leased from Annington by the MOD in England and Wales
19% of these properties are vacant
£178 million paid by the MOD to Annington in 2018 in rental charges on 39,000 properties

MOD

I think an awful lot of people aught to wake up and smell the roses. It all has nothing to do with global warming, climate change or environmental issues. I give it 2 to 3 years (give me 5 if you're generous) and these excuses/BS/ propaganda will be moot. All their so called evidence will melt away and the real reason will be in place and there will be nothing anyone will be able to do because you've all used up your energies fighting each other with the BS environment issues.

It's ALL about control. ULEZ, CBDC etc. etc. Firstly, an easy one:- why are they pushing EVs, better for the planet? Naah. We all know that EVs are a loser but, in the run up to the inevitability of that failure they will have the vast majority of people car less. With the help of ULEZ and the high cost and scarcity of EVs and their materials so only "rich" people can afford them.

Then secondly you have the roll out of these cameras. Oh yes they are for vehicle recognition, but with a little upgrade and you have facial recognition. ULEZ is just the excuse to install the infrastructure. So with digital currency they control your finances, or should I say the money that pays for your living. Now bring in facial recognition and they will have FULL TOTAL CONTROL. The environment has f## all to do with it.

a reply to: LeeMich83

HS2 is beyond ridiculous. How many hospitals/treatments, etc would the cost of this pay for?

I just got a 189 pounds penalty notice for driving in a new Clean Air Zone in Bristol. I don't go to Bristol much. There are signs about this CAZ but they don't make it clear what it's about. I assumed it was for lorries or dirty old diesels. But no, it's for pre 2006 petrol cars too.

Done by a Scamera.

Mine is an 05 plate petrol 1.8 . Just passed MOT which included an emissions test.

You don't get a fine like that for many actual crimes.

Madness.