The Jesus of the Bible was a communist. If you aren't a communist, then you are anti-Christ.

a reply to: andy06shake

That is actually a good point... but Leviticus sates that a maiden who has given birth should make a sacrifice of a lamb, unless unable to do so, in which case the turtles or pigeons are acceptable. Perhaps she was unable to bring a lamb because she had no lambs? Having sheep requires having land for pasture and time to tend them; I doubt many carpenters had that kind of time, as they were too busy building. It would be like telling a doctor today he needed to bring a tractor, but if he didn't have on he could substitute a pair of golf carts... it is far more likely the doctor would have golf carts than a tractor, not because he is poor but because he simply has no need for a tractor.

Anyway, that is something worth considering. You impressed me today.

Yes, Joseph lived in Nazareth. Yes, Nazareth had a bad reputation... not going to look it up right now, but there is something about murmurs of "What good thing ever came out of Nazareth" among the public. But that isn't indicative that everyone in Nazareth was poor either... I actually live near a small town that sounds like it could be similar in many such respects to Nazareth; there are some wealthy people in it, mainly artisans, tradesmen, and business owners. The rest (which are the vast majority) are poor.

As for the royal lineage, that is specified in Luke 1:27. Joseph was of the House of King David... he had to be, as that lineage of Jesus was a part of the Messianic prophesies that Jesus fulfilled.

As i said through, up until his 30s my understanding is that the bible doesn't say much regarding what Jesus got up to or where he went, some people even speculate he traveled to the UK for instance.

Yes, the early life of Jesus, save a few short anecdotes, is a bit of a mystery. I have no doubt some think Jesus traveled to the UK; I have heard a lot of similar statements. The reference I made was to a person recorded in Buddhist (I think) lore as matching the age and description of Jesus at the time, who traveled with his uncle's trading caravan and who spent some time speaking with the religious leaders and impressed them with his spiritual knowledge. There is some circumstantial evidence for that, and that circumstantial evidence seems to align with the story of Jesus being found talking with the religious leaders in Jerusalem after being inadvertently left behind (one of those short anecdotes I mentioned).

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Scores of perhaps TheRedneck, the thing is we really are not going to ever be privy to the actual fact of the matter.

It's an interesting subject as to what Jesus got up to in what amounts to a very important time period of the man's life.

Everything biblical is not exactly one of my strong points in this day of age, i have to admit, even if it is still somewhat of an interesting subject now and again.

Im in about 3 different threads right now, debating with some flat/hollow earth types, so i canny really muster much attention toward this one right now, suffice to say further information is required regarding the man and time period in question which i honestly don't imagine is about to materialise any time soon.

originally posted by: ltrz2025

When you read the Bible, two things become quite clear:

1. Jesus required a communist way of life for those seeking Christian salvation.

2. Jesus condemned wealth and property.


1. The communist way of life

Jesus promoted communism by example. Jesus and his followers lived communal lives that were dedicated to voluntary poverty. Some examples:

“Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers… And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.” (Acts 2:41–46)

“Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.” (Acts 4: 32–35)

It does not say the Lord required a communist way of life. There are particular instances where certain followers lived one but it does not say the Lord required a communist way of life.

The Church compiled the New Testament at the Council of Carthage in A.D. 397. They did not require a communist way of life from their followers except those interested in it as a monastic discipline. Had the early Church fathers thought the Gospels or the Acts or the letters command Communism, they would have either required communism of their followers, or left the books out as apocrypha. There were more than 20 other pseudo-gospels which were excluded.

a reply to: andy06shake

Scores of perhaps TheRedneck

That's why it is called "faith."

And, to be totally honest, my faith is not dependent on whether some anonymous poster in a discussion board in the Internet writes that he thinks Jesus was a communist, or whether Jesus traveled to the UK with His uncle, or the financial statement of Joseph and Mary. I honestly cannot grasp why anyone would consider that important in any way outside of trivia. As a trivial point, I am content to discuss these things, but anything more is just someone flapping their gums in the wind to me.

My concern is that in this thread, many of the core tenets of Christianity have been challenged vehemently. There are those whose faith is not strong yet, babes in Christ who are still learning and searching with no real idea of what it is they are searching for. I post not to try and convince the OP of Jesus' intentions, nor to try and prove to you that Jesus visited somewhere not mentioned in the Bible. I post to allow others who are reading an alternate position that is in line with Jesus' teachings.

That's what is important, after all.

Good luck with the flat earth thread. I avoid those; it might be contagious.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: ltrz2025

originally posted by: darkbake
You are right about this. At the very least he is socialist. Modern Republicans forgot the first thing about Jesus. I have recently read the entire Bible, including the New Testament. I can probably get in a scripture-quoting war with anyone who thinks Jesus is an individualist and capitalist like Jordan Peterson thinks, for example. It is simply not the case.

But... follow a false philosophy if you want, it doesn't bother me that you are fake Christians.

I technically have no problem with people being Christian apostates (or "fake" christians as you call them) either, whatever makes them happy. But when they form a "mass" and they go around judging everything and everyone with a doctrine they don't even respect (hypocrites), someone somewhere needs to help them reflect a bit. For the sake of dignity and intellectual honesty, if such thing still exists in this world of internet whiners.

That's cool, I'm glad we agree on that.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I just want to point out that I have read the Bible cover-to-cover, and Jesus was a communist. I didn't get that information from the internet. I got it from reading the Communist Manifesto and the Bible and putting two and two together.

How much of the Bible have you read? Have you ever glanced at the New Testament? Oh, I'm sorry! You must be one of those people who hate books.

originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: TheRedneck

I just want to point out that I have read the Bible cover-to-cover, and Jesus was a communist. I didn't get that information from the internet. I got it from reading the Communist Manifesto and the Bible and putting two and two together.

How much of the Bible have you read? Have you ever glanced at the New Testament? Oh, I'm sorry! You must be one of those people who hate books.

what prize are you hoping for here?
Communism is a perfect system, until you factor in greed. Or human nature, same thing. Which is why it doesn't work. But Jesus Christ was not seeking fame or fortune, only to better the world he lived in, and bring people closer to God.
He can't save everyone, only those who are willing to be saved. Those who work hard to not believe, will have to answer to themselves.

a reply to: network dude

I am not a communist to be honest. I just wanted to point out that modern Republicans seem to have no idea what Jesus stands for. It shows up all over the place in their rhetoric and policies.

You are right, they will have to answer for themselves and their vile ways.

originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: network dude

I am not a communist to be honest. I just wanted to point out that modern Republicans seem to have no idea what Jesus stands for. It shows up all over the place in their rhetoric and policies.

You are right, they will have to answer for themselves and their vile ways.

everyone will, even those who don't believe. But in the end, everyone talks to God.

originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: network dude

I am not a communist to be honest. I just wanted to point out that modern Republicans seem to have no idea what Jesus stands for. It shows up all over the place in their rhetoric and policies.

You are right, they will have to answer for themselves and their vile ways.

So the Republican are Christian and the Democrats (Left-wing) is godless...

And the Republicans are supposed to listen to the godless left about Jesus...

Got it, thank's for clearing that up...

a reply to: network dude

The mistake the Left made was going after their desires... the children

To mold them, manipulate them, to molest them...

Jesus be flipping some tables over that, Jesus isn't a pacifist.

Communism and Christianity doesn't mix, that's why this thread title is so absurd.

Matt 10:34

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.