14 year-old girl denied kidney transplant because she is unvaccinated, say parents

a reply to: frogs453

Youve been wrong at every turn with this virus and the vaccine, whats coming out FINALLY in the news actually proves this

At what point do you sit back and say "you know If im wrong this much about this thing, maybe im looking at things the wrong way"

I know i know, wishful thinking

originally posted by: Notabot12345666

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Even in the article it say that vaccinations are highly recommended. But that's different from being compulsory.

If they have two patients waiting for an organ, one up to date on vaccinations and one with anti-vaxxer parents, they're going to give the organ to the vaccinated one. Every. Single. Time.

Yea, that's the F'N problem, genius.

The dude is over 40 listens to black metal and works at Walmart. What did you expect from him?

The problem is you dont have to be a Roads Scholar to see this vaccine is a problem and has been, and this protocol their using is murderous ...

Which makes it even worse that we have them defending it and making excuses

"who ties your shoes" and all that

Darwin is weeping

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: frogs453

Youve been wrong at every turn with this virus and the vaccine, whats coming out FINALLY in the news actually proves this

At what point do you sit back and say "you know If im wrong this much about this thing, maybe im looking at things the wrong way"

I know i know, wishful thinking

It's called denial. It's like when someone's girlfriend leaves and they refuse to believe it's over, but in this case it means admitting you had very dangerous stuff injected in your body and even worse had it done for your kids.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Even in the article it say that vaccinations are highly recommended. But that's different from being compulsory.

If they have two patients waiting for an organ, one up to date on vaccinations and one with anti-vaxxer parents, they're going to give the organ to the vaccinated one. Every. Single. Time.

Yes and as explained earlier in this thread by the medical field it has to with making an ethical choice so that the scarce organ, in this case a kidney, will have the highest chance of saving a person's life and it being a successful transplant. I am not liberal, per se, I am in the middle but lean right or left depending on the issues, so anything you read here is just more misinformation from the usual anti-vaxx players.

Also it was explained by the medical field, who actually know something about how dialysis works and its efficacy, that used as an alternative treatment it is highly successful.

You are mistaken when talking about dialysis.

If kidneys fail the girl will die if she doesn't receive a transplant. Dialysis only adds up to the life expectancy. It could be 5 years or even 10 years but eventually the girl will die. And is not guaranteed that she will live as much after her dialysis starts and the quality of life will be diminished as time passes.

They may only consider dialysis if she is refused the transplant based on her vaccination status. But they already thinking of contacting other hospitals that eventually have no issue with her vaccination status.

The above is just basic information.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Even in the article it say that vaccinations are highly recommended. But that's different from being compulsory.

If they have two patients waiting for an organ, one up to date on vaccinations and one with anti-vaxxer parents, they're going to give the organ to the vaccinated one. Every. Single. Time.

Yes and as explained earlier in this thread by the medical field it has to with making an ethical choice so that the scarce organ, in this case a kidney, will have the highest chance of saving a person's life and it being a successful transplant. I am not liberal, per se, I am in the middle but lean right or left depending on the issues, so anything you read here is just more misinformation from the usual anti-vaxx players.

Also it was explained by the medical field, who actually know something about how dialysis works and its efficacy, that used as an alternative treatment it is highly successful.

You are mistaken when talking about dialysis.

The parents never asked for dialysis for a kidney transplant.

If kidneys fail the girl will die if she doesn't receive a transplant. Dialysis only adds up to the life expectancy. It could be 5 years or even 10 years but eventually the girl will die. And is not guaranteed that she will live as much after her dialysis starts and the quality of life will be diminished as time passes.

The above is just basic information.

It all has to do with the ethics of the stewardship of scarce organs and it's sad but here is how the debate in that particular medical field is panning out. So your fight is with them.

As with all vaccinations, they are a tool of organ stewardship aimed to optimize outcomes and, in the setting of pediatrics, ensure optimal caregiving for these vulnerable recipients. Current evidence supports the ethical permissibility of COVID-19 vaccination mandates for transplant candidates aged 6 months and older.

Our guidance considers the tensions of autonomy and beneficence and the ethical duty of organ stewardship. The harms of being unvaccinated and risking the harms of COVID-19 and long-COVID post-transplant support the ethical permissibility of vaccination mandates in countries where the vaccine has pediatric regulatory approval.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
Even in the article it say that vaccinations are highly recommended. But that's different from being compulsory.

If they have two patients waiting for an organ, one up to date on vaccinations and one with anti-vaxxer parents, they're going to give the organ to the vaccinated one. Every. Single. Time.

Yes and as explained earlier in this thread by the medical field it has to with making an ethical choice so that the scarce organ, in this case a kidney, will have the highest chance of saving a person's life and it being a successful transplant. I am not liberal, per se, I am in the middle but lean right or left depending on the issues, so anything you read here is just more misinformation from the usual anti-vaxx players.

Also it was explained by the medical field, who actually know something about how dialysis works and its efficacy, that used as an alternative treatment it is highly successful.

You are mistaken when talking about dialysis.

The parents never asked for dialysis for a kidney transplant.

If kidneys fail the girl will die if she doesn't receive a transplant. Dialysis only adds up to the life expectancy. It could be 5 years or even 10 years but eventually the girl will die. And is not guaranteed that she will live as much after her dialysis starts and the quality of life will be diminished as time passes.

The above is just basic information.

It all has to do with the ethics of the stewardship of scarce organs and it's sad but here is how the debate in that particular medical field is panning out. So your fight is with them.

As with all vaccinations, they are a tool of organ stewardship aimed to optimize outcomes and, in the setting of pediatrics, ensure optimal caregiving for these vulnerable recipients. Current evidence supports the ethical permissibility of COVID-19 vaccination mandates for transplant candidates aged 6 months and older.

Our guidance considers the tensions of autonomy and beneficence and the ethical duty of organ stewardship. The harms of being unvaccinated and risking the harms of COVID-19 and long-COVID post-transplant support the ethical permissibility of vaccination mandates in countries where the vaccine has pediatric regulatory approval.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Well, it's not my fight but the parents have alternatives for sure. That's not dialysis but to find a hospital with sane staff and managers.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: frogs453

Youve been wrong at every turn with this virus and the vaccine, whats coming out FINALLY in the news actually proves this

At what point do you sit back and say "you know If im wrong this much about this thing, maybe im looking at things the wrong way"

I know i know, wishful thinking

This is the case with most vaccine apologists. They haven't realised yet they have been wrong about pretty much everything they were arguing.

There was a thread a little while ago

"Debunking Vaccine Myths RE VAERS"

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It was a disaster for the vaccine apologists and the defenders of the pharmaceuticals. Every analysis, every attempt, number and statistic, were false.

A very bad idea to try to 'debunk' whatever your try to 'debunk' when you don't even know the basics, a classical characteristic of those who peddle official narratives and the Covid dogma.

It was also strange as those 'debunkers' never made such type of threads. Their classical tactic is to try to detail threads made by others or to disrupt the flow of conversation given that their aim isn't debate, given their lack of knowledge and lack of academic strengths.