Vision - nations intending to provide Universal Basic Income to 'useless eaters'

Hi ATS,

This is a short OP, but I think it carries an explicit warning to us regarding what we can possibly expect in the mid-term future.

I was simply resting a moment ago, and as is quite common I began to experience what could be considered a dream sequence, though I was not asleep at the time, so I can only interpret it as a visionary experience of some sort.

As the scene opened, I found myself in some sort of cafeteria in the not-too-distant future, in which various people were sat around doing not much of anything it seemed. I think this symoblises what the elitists would call 'useless eaters' (being in a cafeteria, people doing nothing). I saw a man enter & head to an aperture in the wall which seemed built-in. Turns out that it was a cash machine of some sort (an ATM). When he approached the aperture widened (the screen door was rolled up so the machine could be seen in full, with access to a screen & options keys). He carried out some key-pressing & retrieved a quantity of cash from the machine. As he turned to leave, the screen rolled down again, leaving only the smallest aperture through which cash could still be dispensed.

I walked over to the cash machine, and it seemed to recognise me (facial recognition plus gait recognition perhaps). The machine offered me no prompts, it simply doled out a small amount of cash, giving me no options regarding how much I wanted to withdraw, it simply provided me with a quantity of money which was intended to last for a fixed period of time. I see this as representative of the programmable money which low caste folk like myself would receive in the form of UBI, to be spent within a given period, balance resetting to zero when the time period (probably a month) was over.

Of course, we are moving into a cashless society, so the paper money in this vision was intended as a symbol of the digitised cash that we will have access to. Furthermore, the fact that the machine provided options to the first user, and zero options to me as the next user, suggests that indeed we are intended for a two tier society, with so-called 'sovereigns' (those who possess real wealth at the moment the system is instituted nationwide), and those like me who have very little in the way of wealth when the systems are switched, and we find ourselves locked out of dreams for a better life, having no opportunity whatsoever, being 'marked' as lower caste citizens who receive programmable credits rather than real terms wealth, who can never again access real terms wealth since the systems switched over.

And that was the end of the dream/vision. The only additional point to add is that everyone in the room (the 'useless eaters') seemed to be wearing the same clothing, a bland uniform of white & grey - which again 'marked' us, as lesser citizens, easily recognised as being from a lower caste (& therefore the sovereign class will know how to handle us if they were unfortunate enough to ever cross paths with us in their daily lives...)

I fear that the future is a bleak place, and I would say that this dream/vision struck me as a clarion call that now is the time to resist Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDC's), because if they implement a CBDC system, they essentially have total & complete control over every aspect of our lives, and they would indeed propel us in the direction of the bleak & miserable place I saw in this dream/vision. If we do not resist, we will ultimately fall to our knees & remain there all the days of our lives - what is worse is that we will be condemning future generations to the same & even worse. We MUST resist the switch to CBDC's...

Cheers,


FITO.

Wow that dream/vision sequence is a bleak future outlook.

If I were that useless eater (still paying taxes? then not useless to society) I'd take advantage of the free educational resources (available today) or learn something new on youtube like sewing. I'd sew myself an outfit of many colors and make a statement to the other grey outfit wearers.

Maybe if my passions leaned towards fashion and design, I'd start a small entrepreneurial business that the PTB would allow me to have without taking away my pittance allowance (which they do now). Then if my business sprang legs and took me further, then I'd go into the unknown where new dreams can be made.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Only you would consider this a short OP. LOL

The flaw I see in your vision is the use of cash. The only way this would work to their benefit, is if all currency is digital. Otherwise, you could have just stolen the the dudes cash that was at the ATM before you. The digital aspect also leaves a footprint of every single transaction. If there was cash, they would have no control over how you spend your money. I think that we can all agree that ultimate control is the end game here.

a reply to: quintessentone

That's a commendable objective, but the pittance that you are given is designed to be 'spent' on absolute essentials, you wouldn't be permitted to purchase sewing materials because the credits are programmable, they can only be 'spent' in certain places. I think my objective would be to learn a martial art & offer to teach it to others pro bono until I was recognised as a potentially useful eater & moved up the social ladder by a sovereign citizen who can be my patron as a newly accredited useful eater. Still a long way from being a sovereign citizen, and I doubt they'd ever accredit new sovereign citizens, seeing as the entire point is to keep the masses blinkered, totally restricted & constantly looking down at their feet to make sure they don't step out of line...

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Only you would consider this a short OP. LOL

The flaw I see in your vision is the use of cash.

So... you didn't actually read it then?

He addressed this point.

originally posted by: quintessentone
Wow that dream/vision sequence is a bleak future outlook.

If I were that useless eater (still paying taxes? then not useless to society) I'd take advantage of the free educational resources (available today) or learn something new on youtube like sewing. I'd sew myself an outfit of many colors and make a statement to the other grey outfit wearers.

So, you missed the point that that would not be allowed. You would be kidnapped and re-edumakated.

a reply to: KKLOCO

I'm sorry, I did write that there would be no actual cash, that the cash used in the dream/vision was symbolic of the entirely digitised & fully programmable credits which would replace cash in the 'society of the future' which the elitist scumbags want to create.

Also yes, it's not a short OP - I wrote that then got carried away.....

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

CBDC and Digital ID and it's over for the "useless eaters".

I'm sure these posts will have something to do with our "status" as well.

I'll die first.

God Bless Ya FITO

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: KKLOCO

I'm sorry, I did write that there would be no actual cash, that the cash used in the dream/vision was symbolic of the entirely digitised & fully programmable credits which would replace cash in the 'society of the future' which the elitist scumbags want to create.

Also yes, it's not a short OP - I wrote that then got carried away.....

My apologies if that’s what you meant. I did read the entire OP. This is the part that made me say what I did:

“He carried out some key-pressing & retrieved a quantity of cash from the machine.”

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I walked over to the cash machine, and it seemed to recognise me (facial recognition plus gait recognition perhaps).

The QR Code on your forehead ?

Revelation 13:16, KJV: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

No one said it had to be a chip .

UBI is a good thing. Hard controlled currency? Questionable.

Any attempt to implement such a thing would drive a shadow economy. Those doing illegal things will find a new money. As it stands, the USD profits off the illegal activities that back part of it's revenue flow.

originally posted by: Archivalist
UBI is a good thing. Hard controlled currency? Questionable.

Any attempt to implement such a thing would drive a shadow economy. Those doing illegal things will find a new money. As it stands, the USD profits off the illegal activities that back part of it's revenue flow.

You do understand that if there was UBI, in order to incentivise people to work, the minimum wage would have to be something near 1.5x to 2x the amount from UBI. You think inflation is bad now...

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

sovereigns, you say.

first flat earth threads, now rehashing known scam story?

try harder.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

I understand your cynicism. To be fair I wrote poorly in the comment to which you're replying - I never meant to imply that the story which did the rounds some time ago regarding the whole 'sovereign citizen' malarkey was in fact accurate & true - I meant it more to emphasise the stratification of society which is inevitable if they move us to CBDC in combination with UBI. I don't know exactly what it will look like, but it will be a caste system of sorts, and it will feel like apartheid to those who are under its repression.

The stratification layers will be a focus of anguish where some people who are 'almost' in the next caste up will be devastated & angry to be stuck just shy of the upgrade barrier. It's a bit like the way people who earn £45,000 in the UK are worse off than those who earn £41,000 - because the taxation stratification steps up to 40% or thereabouts with the cutoff being £42,000. Those numbers are approximate by the way, but you see my point. Those on a lower wage end up being better off than those earning slightly more. Many employers deliberately set their wages below the cutoff as an added incentive for those who could technically earn a little more but don't want the added tax burden.

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The many photos on that site are proof positive that we live on a vast & expansive horizontal plane. Unless you want to try to say that they are all inferior or superior mirages, which they are not. Or perhaps you will say the water in the ocean between the peaks is bulging upwards between the two peaks? I'll save you the time & embarassment, you can clearly see that the water doesn't bulge upward between the two peaks, because water will always find its level & doesn't curve around a supposedly spherical Earth.

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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

seeing as the entire point is to keep the masses blinkered, totally restricted & constantly looking down at their feet to make sure they don't step out of line...

The masses are not blinkered, restricted or looking down at their feet just because they believe in the science or their choices don't align with your choices. Here in our western countries we can step out of line and 'boo' our leaders whenever and however we choose to when they step out of line. It's our duty to challenge and keep our leaders on their toes and remind them who really powers the country. All we have to do is stop the wheels of the economy (everyone strike at once) to drive that fact home; I've seen it done and it works.

You don't know me, I'd find ways to get free stuff or even barter with the useful eaters for sewing services (under the table bartering or cash). It's all been done before because this concept of UBI is just another term for welfare and we already know how people got their extras in that scenario. Even you have an 'out' so I would think that most people are not blinkered rather tinkered.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
Wow that dream/vision sequence is a bleak future outlook.

If I were that useless eater (still paying taxes? then not useless to society) I'd take advantage of the free educational resources (available today) or learn something new on youtube like sewing. I'd sew myself an outfit of many colors and make a statement to the other grey outfit wearers.

So, you missed the point that that would not be allowed. You would be kidnapped and re-edumakated.

We have all the power, we just need to use it (western society - undivided) properly.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: jedi_hamster

It's a bit like the way people who earn £45,000 in the UK are worse off than those who earn £41,000 - because the taxation stratification steps up to 40% or thereabouts with the cutoff being £42,000. Those numbers are approximate by the way, but you see my point. Those on a lower wage end up being better off than those earning slightly more. Many employers deliberately set their wages below the cutoff as an added incentive for those who could technically earn a little more but don't want the added tax burden.

So it is different in the UK than is the US?

Nope, a quick google says not, it is just like here in the US.

So, you have fallen for a huge myth, likely perpetuated by your employer to excuse lower wages...

In your example, you only pay the higher tax rate on income that is OVER the $42,000 cutoff, NOT on ALL of your earnings.

Smarten up, Fly... might want to take the same approach to your flat earth beliefs too...

a reply to: tanstaafl

Well I recall my brother-in-law making two tiers up from the first tax level and he complained the taxes amounted to almost half his total income, so he started a sideline job. The government's taxation system is all wrong.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: jedi_hamster

It's a bit like the way people who earn £45,000 in the UK are worse off than those who earn £41,000 - because the taxation stratification steps up to 40% or thereabouts with the cutoff being £42,000. Those numbers are approximate by the way, but you see my point. Those on a lower wage end up being better off than those earning slightly more. Many employers deliberately set their wages below the cutoff as an added incentive for those who could technically earn a little more but don't want the added tax burden.

...
So, you have fallen for a huge myth, likely perpetuated by your employer to excuse lower wages...

In your example, you only pay the higher tax rate on income that is OVER the $42,000 cutoff, NOT on ALL of your earnings.
...

I don't even think anyone does (perpetuates) this on purpose. It is just an overall ignorance of how progressive tax works. It is a failure that primary education doesn't at least spend 10 minutes explaining this. I would wager 75% or more think it works this way.

That said, the tax system is pretty janky and the gov't excessively bloaty.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl

Well I recall my brother-in-law making two tiers up from the first tax level and he complained the taxes amounted to almost half his total income, so he started a sideline job. The government's taxation system is all wrong.

Well, since I am fully aware that taxation is simply legalized theft and believe it should be abolished completely, I have to say I agree.