Soft Invasion - Stealth War within the US

a reply to: chris_stibrany

Yeah, you're right on that one.
I had a few drinks by the time I made that post last night.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: DBCowboy

The desperately want a digital currency that they can use to control what we buy and from where.

I wouldn't be surprised to see it rolled out in cities before too long.

A government big enough to give you what you want is big enough to take all you have.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I was pleasantly surprised to hear my Public Administration professor say that to the class on the first day of this semester.

A very cool older lady from Kenya.

a reply to: vNex92

Don't know about China. Supposedly one of the 13 families is Chinese.

originally posted by: bipolarnightmare

Hmm I expect to be eaten alive but nevertheless.. Why is it that America is always looking for someone to blame? Someone to start a war with? Isn't it what THEY want? Life becomes difficult when capitalism begins to capitalise on people, where there is no reliable welfare system, where people are forced to steal

Nah! Your questions are not offensive here. But if you consider any negative answer to them as offensive, be advised, that's not the same as being eaten alive.

Why do you believe that this "looking for someone to blame" peculiar to America? Do you not believe that we could look at any nations collective utterances and press and find the same phenomenon? Would any exceptions to that not be indicative of what could be equally questionable? Americans, like any people, focus on the problems which are in the common day... and while it may seem unpleasant, usually there is a "someone to blame" in that regard. Would it behoove any people to NOT identify those who engender a problem?

As for "Someone to start a war with" I will caution you... make sure you are basing the perception on direct observation. The 'public venues of self-expression" are not exclusively populated by the people you are judging. Absolutely NO ONE I have ever spoken to WANTS to "start a war" as matter of practice.

Wars are started by decision-makers... not the people who die in them. The decision-makers most notably NEVER die in the wars THEY start. And the medias of the world ALL don't tell you that everyone wants peace... only that they want war. Your sources have ALL told you that America wants war... yet they are NOT America... they simply publish want they want you to believe... It happens in America too... especially when they talk about "you." Nes pa?

I disagree with your assertion that:

"Life becomes difficult when capitalism begins to capitalize on people, where there is no reliable welfare system, where people are forced to steal."

1) Life is not now, nor has it ever been, "easy." Capitalism notwithstanding.

2) Capitalism is the excuse used to capitalize on (or exploit) people... but capitalizing on people has been occurring since the beginning of social order - irrespective of economic posturing... as any former Soviet citizen, subject of royalty, or faithful servant of a religious empire.

3) The sad truth is a "welfare" system shouldn't - in principle - be necessary at all. Community and personal charity should suffice unless something is very much abused by a very guilty party. Morality aside, we don't live in a utopia of good intentions, so organized "welfare" manifests itself according to "other peoples' morality."

"Theft" is not compelled... it may be that some people haven't the inclination to find another way to survive, but most theft is unnecessary from a "survival" standpoint - unless it involves food, medicine, etc. On the other hand, a close look at who removed all the other "non-theft" options contributing to survival, would help our understanding greatly.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Or worse, he may be thinking to emulate Venezuela.

a reply to: watchitburn

Hey the biggest slow-kill plan to destroy the US is the debt IMO. I don't think there was ever a plan to fix it and TPTB always planned to rack up this much debt- and more. Its the makings of a financial collapse. And like I says I don't think any of it is accidental....

originally posted by: bipolarnightmare
Hmm I expect to be eaten alive but nevertheless.. Why is it that America is always looking for someone to blame? Someone to start a war with? Isn't it what THEY want? Life becomes difficult when capitalism begins to capitalise on people, where there is no reliable welfare system, where people are forced to steal

We have seen the enemy, and he is us.

I'm not blaming the globalists, MIC, or Chinese for anything. They're intentions are pretty clear and understandable.

All of our problems are of our own making. We've allowed our government to to get to this state of corruption and incompetence through our own apathy and perceived self interest.

As for capitalism, our own current perverted version notwithstanding.

No other system has elevated more people out of poverty and increased the overall quality of life of the planet throughout human history than capitalism has over the course of the last 100 or so years.

This is just an indisputable fact.

Monarchies, socialism, communism, or any variation there of have always inevitably resulted in mass murder, genocide, and/or mass starvation, slavery, and serfdom.

a reply to: E38Driver

I'm not sure if that was the original intent. With the creature from Jekyll Island.
I believe it was more of a plot to further enrich the bankers and set up a long term customer for them.

Though it will be a major factor in the coming collapse.

Very interesting thread as there as as many facets to it as there are to a tesseract!
He is my very limited take on the current state of affairs:

#1: The dissolution of a gold or other fixed standard leading to a monetary system based on make-believe and unicorn scat!
Yeah, yeah, yeah I know but what about the chance of deflation?
Worried about the economy outstripping the standard’s supply base?
That’s called an economic governor, like you used to have on your 5hp mini-bike!
Would that we currently had such an overcomeable issue!!

#2: The dumbing down of educational curriculum and the dissuasion of critical thinking by academia

#3: The incentivization of sloth (no better description for it)

#4: The destruction of nuclear families (related to #2 & #3)

#5: The emotionally charged division of large sectors of the public through fear, hate, envy, bigotry, racism and false perceptions all through manipulation, lies and propaganda

There is an entire segment of our society rowing the same boat that is being used as a battering ram for the destruction of our republic but only a small portion of them have access to life boats or life preservers (can you guess which ones?)

The USA does not need a world federation or globalist threat to bring about downfall…there are multitudes ready within our boarders who are more than willing.....just like puppies crapping in their own beds!

a reply to: amicusbrief

I agree with all of your points.
And they all tie into the assertions I made in the OP.

The main thrust of this thread is that those very same situations you have pointed out are being exploited through the open southern border to hasten the downfall of our Republic.

a reply to: Maxmars

Nice reply, thanks. Nothing better than a civilised discussion
However there are indeed some problems particular to America, like school shootings and incredibly high crime rates. It is sad to watch. Before the war for oil we all used to look up to you, now it seems scary to watch what is going on especially with Biden and his family. Foreign forces may try and exploit this perceived weakness.
What I was trying to say is, it is up to us to rise our future presidents and I would first look at my own people and how we can improve our education system to make our future politicians better.
The problem with the welfare is that if you don't provide it, you end up with a whole lot of desperate people. You may either "buy" your peace and support them or go all nazi and get rid of them.
It is annoying when welfare is abused but going other way... we have social credits China.

a reply to: watchitburn

From a psychological angle, this presentation is all wrong. The public's divided attention means divided energy. It's absolutely necessary to portray all these sects as unified in the same one goal, even if in reality, their interests are clashing. It doesn't matter whether they put an emperor, a pope, or a tyrant in charge of the world government.

All that's needed is an exact name and summary for the pseudo-internationalist ideology espoused by this hydra of NWO/WEF & CCP & military-industrial complex, and for this idea to be received in the minds of millions.

The communists astutely sum it all up as "imperialism", without prejudice, which gives them an edge over bourgeois states. Stalin - by no means an anti-Semite, having rehabilitated and recognized several jewish individuals (i.e. inventor Selig Slonimsky, poet Osip Mandelstam, Soviet general Lev Rokhlin, Soviet propagandist Ilya Ehrenburg) for their achievements - coined the term "International Zionism".

While the conservatives unproductively search for something to blame, going through the usual gambit of culprits: globalists, bankers, capitalists, Rothschilds, Jews, Jesuits, Vatican, Freemasons, etc.
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For the sake of convenience:

The goal: is quite simply a "war of all against all", a "state of open or secret warfare", perpetuating an extinction of the human species. archive.org...

It's by no means coincidental that there have been concurrent chemical spills across several US states. The chemicals are calculated to poison the air and water. The Covid/vaccine debate diverts attention from the actual cause of death: solar flares. Why did some morticians jump to conclusions about vaccine-related deaths? They're all playing a practical joke on people, that's a part of their job. They cover up the symptoms to prevent civil unrest.

The ideology: can be summed up as "physicalism", the affirmation that only physical reality/the physical world exists, that physical development is the be-all and end-all, combined with a pursuit of temporal "greatness". It's physical interests which divide humanity. It's artificial values (power, glory, honour) are the consequences of a radically false view of life, a faulty evaluation of greatness, which spurs countries to plunder and invade each other and encourages the smaller weak countries to slavishly imitate the example of mighty nations, as if they have something to prove to others, selling one's natural birthright and uniqueness for livelihood.

On the question of whether such states could maintain themselves in the long run: archive.org...

The vast majority of people can be called "physicalists". Originally, to be called a materialist was a honorary mark of distinction, not a brand of atheism. Demokritos, Epicureans, Copernicans (especially Bruno), and Deists (the religion of several Founding Fathers) affirmed the existence of infinite worlds and demonstrated that this science was compatible with a worship of god. Therefore, materialism can and should be reclaimed for scientific and religious usage.

The culprits: can be traced back to the saboteurs responsible for opposing the policies of Alexander Jannaeus & Nero, which explains the excessively heavy-handed reprisals from these so-called despots.

Why were all the crimes in the gospels pinned exclusively on the god-believing Pharisees, who admitted to the divinity of heaven and the stars contained within it (Amos 5:26), the existence of angels, ghosts, a hereafter, reincarnation (John 9:1) & a higher justice (a law of necessity misunderstood as "punishment"; Exodus 34:7)?

It is only in this light that the following indictment can be understood...

Matthew 5:29-30 You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.

Interpreted: Go ahead, then, and complete what you started, several lifetimes ago.

a reply to: hjesterium

I appreciate your contribution to the thread, but I'm not a religious person.

I don't put any weight to the Bible or related texts.
I do however, believe in the intent behind the US Constitution. While not originally perfect, I think we've got it pretty well sorted.

The problem, as always comes down to human nature. We're not perfect, so those who seek to benefit from a situation will usually do so.

a reply to: musicismagic

1. First, China, Russia, India and all other countries will NOT give into a single dictator to rule the world. PERIOD. Neither will its citizens.

I dont think there is much difference between the deep state and CCP. The are both mutual in there needs are readily work together.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: DBCowboy

The desperately want a digital currency that they can use to control what we buy and from where.

I wouldn't be surprised to see it rolled out in cities before too long.

A government big enough to give you what you want is big enough to take all you have.

Unfortunately society is too confused with their own sex and making sure that embryos get exposed to transgender at an early enough age to worry about what the gov't is doing. Im talking about bigger than normal bribery attempts.

I would keep an eye out for the gov't trying to entice the masses to go digital currency via bribery attempts.

I wouldn't be surprised that they would be willing to give everyone say 1Million dollars or wipe all debt away once they convert. The reason why is because once we are all in a programmable digital currency like what the fedcoin is proposing , money will be irrelevant.

The problem with money is that it allows people to build wealth and to some extent fk u money which is freedom. Take trump and Elon for example. Both of them have wealth and Fk you money and the system has been having problems controlling them and making them go with the narrative compared to others.

However add digital programmable fedcoin into the mix then it doesn't matter how much fk you money both of them have. Despite having 4 trillion dollars in the bank the govt would be able to restrict their purchases and payments based on their social credit score. So when trump and Elons social credit drops from a top tier to a bottom tier they wouldn't even be able to stay in their current homes because bottom tier only allows for 1 bedroom apartment. Since they are now bottom tier they wouldn't even be able to pay for the taxes ,utilities,insurance,etc associated with their homes because its out of their tiers.

That is the reason for programmable digital currency. It gives them full control of the individuals from birth to death with no chance to ever acquire wealth. no wealth means infinite dependence on the system and like you said those that can giveth can taketh away . So fall in line

a reply to: watchitburn

I'm not religious either, but there's plenty of conservative-minded holy joes on here. The last section was included for them so they can stop pointing fingers and start thinking about who is really in charge.

What was the intent behind the US Constitution?

The problem, as always comes down to human nature. We're not perfect, so those who seek to benefit from a situation will usually do so.

True, the problem is biological & psychological, not political. Pacifists and progressives, in a word, mad idealists - they believe that it is the political system that needs changing, that people are fundamentally good.

But history furnishes an indictment for their misguided belief: the countries have continually adopted various systems in an unbroken cycle and these systems have all shown up their bankruptcy, despite the fact that these systems have already been perfected to an excessive degree, notwithstanding the liberal's negligence for renovating systems and the pacifist/internationalist's disregard for national expressions (but these aren't the only causes for the system's failures).

Rousseau, the only idealist of his times endowed with common sense, remarked that democracy was not fitted for men, it was the people who were not ripe for maintaining it. Astute observers who arrive at this realization tend to resign themselves to despair, as the nihilist August Strindberg once did: "Even if you change the form of government and religion ever so many times, humanity will always remain the same."

A contemporary example from a typical conservative-minded user: old.reddit.com... "Things might materially change, but human beings haven't biologically changed significantly in 2,000 years."

Once they convince themselves of this truth, they style themselves as prophets. This is how we end up with fatalistic historians like Oswald Spengler. They see no way out of this mess. Their virtue becomes intolerance. Being right matters more than being honest: "I know in absolute terms that I am correct."

Such people have yet to realize that the change must begin with the people and with each individual. It follows that if a people as a whole change enough, any system will be sufficient, even communism.

On the other hand, people shouldn't be blamed for the system's failure, for the crimes of their leaders and institutions, etc. As Ayn Rand put it: If a moral code is, in fact, impossible to practice, it is the code that must be condemned as “black,” not its victims evaluated as “gray.”

a reply to: watchitburn

you gotta figure, just in our country, we have democrats vs republicans, fbi,cia, pentagon, maybe some patriot/rebel generals,.. and a few different lobby type groups.. right/left wing protesters.. elite business groups, proud boys, antifa,

now, you have in another country spy agencies. and groups think tanks, intelligence,,
and
200 other countries on earth all with these same groups/ ngo;s, protesters,,,
all trying to infiltrate and sway or pressure our leaders to their interests..

so even though today they are for your interest, tomorrow may go collect from another
or blackmailed /setup, bought by any one of a thousand diffrent groups

or CRUSH AND DESTROY US

a reply to: hjesterium

Ah-ha, you get it!

And take it from this Biblically minded libertarian, the purpose of the Bible and the teachings in it are to guide you to improving yourself and your dealings with others. But really that's what religion and spiritual practices in general are supposed to be for.

A lot of people keep thinking that if we just build the perfect system, we can game around our imperfect selves or they reject the idea that they're imperfect entirely (only others are, leading back to undesirables). The problem is that you never find the right people to run any system, and it doesn't matter which one we're talking about. Any system is only as good as the people running it, and the more people you have the more likely it is that your system becomes twisted and corrupt because the people will make it that way.

The only way to fix anything is to fix ourselves, and there is a whole lot that needs fixing.

a reply to: ketsuko

You misunderstand, my indictment does not fall upon the Pharisees as the culprits. My point was that the Pharisee sect was more integral than the Christian system. They were better off than their Christian contemporaries.

I'm insinuating that the Pharisees were framed. The early Christians arguably bear greater guilt for Jesus' murder, seeing as how they've apostatized from the teachings. Christian history only manages to trace it back to the schism between Paul and Peter, but can get no further. So the question ought to be: which existing sects flocked towards Christianity in its early days? Aside from John the Baptist's followers.

(Assuming that such persons historically existed)

But I digress, we are at least in full agreement about the systems.

The purpose of the Bible and the teachings in it are to guide you to improving yourself and your dealings with others.

What about the purpose of animals?