ATS credited as the source for a 2007 leak of a UFO/UAP sighting in 2004 by Navy pilots

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: mirageman

The hardest part about a trip to Mars is that six months to a year there and then six months to a year back.

The six months to a year back won’t happen until some “one way” trips initially.

WITH THE HELP OF IN-ORBIT REFUELLING, MUSK DOES PLAN TO REDUCE THE TRANSIT TIME FROM SIX MONTHS TO 80 DAYS INITIALLY AND MAYBE 30 DAYS EVENTUALLY, WHICH WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE THESE RISKS.OTHERWISE HE ADMITS THAT THE FIRST MISSIONS IN PARTICULAR WILL POSE REAL RISKS AND ANYONE SIGNING UP BASICALLY HAS TO BE ‘PREPARED TO DIE’.

Source: Elon Musk: A one-way ticket to Mars, anyone?

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a reply to: Klassified

Oh the links go way back. In 1975 a certain TTSA Director had funding for his 'research' authorized by Gottlieb all those years ago. A controversial character to the say the least.



Source

Then in 1995 another TTSA director, Mellon, was involved in a transfer of Puthoff's Project Stargate from the DIA to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.



All in the name of National Security, I'm sure .

No paranormal powers were ever proven either.

a reply to: mirageman

As I recall Ingo Swan was all about Remote Viewing…….couldn’t Remote Viewing be considered Paranormal?

Paranormal events are purported phenomena described in popular culture, folk, and other non-scientific bodies of knowledge, whose existence within these contexts is described as being beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding.

It’s like looking into the proverbial crystal ball……without saying crystal ball.

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originally posted by: The GUT
The full-spectrum stage management remains the most telling aspect for me. And while it still leaves me with some questions what it doesn't leave me is wide-eyed with glee & wonder at all the "Disclosure" on the horizon.

One thing I do see is a whole new class of "believer." They don't show up here much but they're all over twitter & youtube. They are ready to believe, just tell them what.

Is some of that a result of the kind of stage management to which I refer? I think yes. Are such results part of the intention of the stage managers? It follows just fine.

And that's bare beginnings. We're currently at the pump being primed stage but it seems to be moving along well as far as social-engineering projects go.

I agree with you GUT it's stage management but, It's not only that but worse, programming propaganda.

That is one reason on principle I rarely if ever use the bogus and phony term UAP.

To me, it’s a programming tool to see how many suckers they could lure into their supposed pro-UFO turnaround after decades of lies, deception, and cover-ups.

If they want to come clean, then do it all the way: expose ALL of the past UFO PSYOPS BY THE MILITARY AND CIA.
Otherwise, they can take a hike.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: The GUT

I have to ask GUT. What do you, or anyone else who cares to jump in, see as the short, median, and long term goals of a con of like this. There has to be a return on investment some where.

In this case, I believe it's to juice up the defense establishment. It's no coincidence that two things happened on or around the time of the advent of TTSA: The Russian intervention in Syria and their taking of Crimea (which IMO was one thing that cost Hillary the election) and then under Trump (a sure puppet pretending not to be one) the creation of the space force---precipitated the creation of TTSA and the alien ufo fear-mongering...to justify defense spending rising to the sky. In the case of the space force, TTSA, which came before its creation, justified its being and financing.

Though TTSA happened, before this (the intel know it was coming), since the Russians went full hog wild into Ukraine, they didn’t need the ufo/alien attack fear anymore, so TTSA took out the academy. Now it is just a shell of what it was...an entertainment toy for Delonge.

Mission accomplished! Happy times are here again, DEFENSE AND WAR AND MORE OF IT.

I want to make an editorial comment on what’s obvious to me, at least.

Anything coming out of the defense establishment of any country—including, in spades, the US

IS WHOLLY ABOUT DEFENSE OR OFFENSE SPENDING…PERIOD!

There’s NOTHING else they are interested in—PERIOD.

Delonge even said his motivation was to propagandize for the defense establishment.

What else could be their interest?

They KNOW they CAN’T deal with his UFO phenomenon, so that has zilch to do with this ufo interest, IMO.

a reply to: mirageman

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: mirageman

As I recall Ingo Swan was all about Remote Viewing…….couldn’t Remote Viewing be considered Paranormal?

Paranormal events are purported phenomena described in popular culture, folk, and other non-scientific bodies of knowledge, whose existence within these contexts is described as being beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding.

It’s like looking into the proverbial crystal ball……without saying crystal ball.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

As I recall Ingo Swan was all about Remote Viewing…….couldn’t Remote Viewing be considered Paranormal?

Remote viewing comes from Scientology. Project Stargate was run by former Scientologist Hal Puthoff and Ingo Swann belonged to the cult as well.

It ended because it proved of no value, and there was evidence Puthoff and chums had fudged results too.

As I said "No paranormal powers were ever proven".

Remote viewing is nothing more than what most people call "guesswork".

On to the subject of the thread. I can believe the Final theory post on ATS in 2007 was the first salvo of a disinformation attempt.

But it didn’t take too well. They tried to make it legit by having the guy spell badly and seem weird, but it failed then.

It could be they just waited for another opportunity to give this out, and lo and behold, Delonge comes along a decade later, and bingo, they have a conduit for it.

MM's idea of a connection to Bigelow is very likely, and TTSA may have been the result always planned. Though the evidence of that is circumstantial.

In looking at how they do these psyops on ufology, past instances seem to show that they need a UFO enthusiast or obsessive like a Bennewitz to do the nasty: Bennewitz, Bill Moore, and now Tom Delonge.

Those are the ones we know. Imagine the ones we don’t know amongst the ufologist scene.

Like the Bennewitz/Moore psyop and the TTSA one, this was a raging success.

TTSA just dumped a load of ufo manure on these new UAP enthusiasts caught up in the TTSA propaganda.

This ufo information makeover has at least done two things:

One serves their defense and propaganda effort to keep the defense spending spigot filled to a gluttonous dimension.

Two, to rework ufology and draw in enough enthusiasts to actually ruin it by the age-old method of overindulgence and enticing intrigue only to create mass skepticism in the end and leave ufology to the magical thinkers. That will work because this new “UAP” industry is doomed to spectacular failure, IMO.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

On to the subject of the thread. I can believe the Final theory post on ATS in 2007 was the first salvo of a disinformation attempt. But it didn’t take too well. They tried to make it legit by having the guy spell badly and seem weird, but it failed then.

It didn't help that the original story from thefinaltheory said the incident was in 2005 about a huge disc hovering at 30,000ft and everyone onboard the ship was told to freeze. Then everything changed a day later in a new post and a new story. Which aroused even more suspicion. Maybe that first story was more disinformation? Part of a get out policy should everything need to be effectively culled as a hoax. Or is there really more to it?

MM's idea of a connection to Bigelow is very likely, and TTSA may have been the result always planned. Though the evidence of that is circumstantial. In looking at how they do these psyops on ufology, past instances seem to show that they need a UFO enthusiast or obsessive like a Bennewitz to do the nasty: Bennewitz, Bill Moore, and now Tom Delonge.

There's been a few we know of:

- Bennewitz was certainly the victim of a disinformation campaign.

- Someone went to a lot of trouble to prepare the MJ12 papers and backstories. Much of that lore lingers today, but what was the real purpose behind their dissemination?

- -I'm never quite sure about what part Lazar played. But his own story was some form of disinformation (or maybe just a scam). We know who enabled it, though, don't we?

- SERPO was an odd one. But the Bigelow crew and Doty left their fingerprints. It was all exposed just before the FLIR video was leaked.

- TTSA wasn't launched until 2017 but DeLonge was being promoted years before by the same guy that enabled the Lazar story.As TTSA fades into memory it would appear the UFO narrative (in America) is slowly being controlled by the US military. There have even been moves to have MUFON provide data to AARO recently! Which would take further information out of the public domain. This is what Bigelow started to do with his contracting of MUFON in 2009!

a reply to: peaceinoutz
a reply to: mirageman

A reminder of the MUFON - BIGELOW CONTRACT

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

And look who was there to seal the deal on behalf of Bigelow [BAASS].


MUFON- BAASS Contract negotiations: Las Vegas, NV, Jan. 2009 BAASS: Hal Puthoff and Jacques Vallee, MUFON: John Schuessler

192 year old Hal Puthoff and the expert of making up unfalsifiable theories on UFOs.

a reply to: mirageman

Here's something Isaac Koi put out.


isaackoiup.blogspot.com...

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: mirageman

Here's something Isaac Koi put out.


isaackoiup.blogspot.com...

Thx BB……a Bit much 1’s and 0’s to mentally assimilate……..

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Isaac is going to provide even more!

a reply to: mirageman

And if I recall Bigelow canceled or reneged on that contract and a decent ordinary honest man like James Carrion( then head of MUFON) resigned in disgust over ufo politics.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Yep. In a nutshell Bigelow wanted to reduce the already agreed contractual payments to MUFON because he also appeared to think he could dictate how MUFON should spend those funds. It was a bit like him paying his employees and then telling them what to spend their salaries on, or he'd reduce their wages. Carrion resigned but it also caused fractures in MUFON.

The contracts had already been agreed, and Bigelow could have been forced to continue on with the payment terms. But I think the fallout meant MUFON was left in chaos and the whole thing lapsed.

If you look at the contract Ophi posted earlier in the thread all the liability was with MUFON (not BAASS) and in return Bigelow was to receive:


- MUFON's existing UFO Case Management database and all other data," as well as "field investigative services" including photos, video, audio and interview transcript. Bigelow was not contracted to return anything "unless there is a written agreement to return such property."

= Bigelow was also given real-time access to the Case Management system, and in some cases BAASS employees arrived to interview witnesses before MUFON had even dealt with the case.

I think we can guess who was the real recipient of the data. Given that he had a contract with the DoD! Bigelow had probably got what he wanted and didn't want to pay any more.

I read the thread back in the day and then read it again a couple years ago it was so interesting to re-read it after we know everything that was said was the truth. Definitely a legendary threaf