'Negative Space' as a Concept Explaining Flat Earth Truth & NASA Misdirection..

originally posted by: offensive
If the earth was flat wouldnt I be able to see the rocky mountains from KS with a telescope?

Probably, isn't there a telescope in london that lets you see new york?

originally posted by: WhatItIs

And there is no proof of your “plasma cloud” in the way you need it to be. Not in visual observations. Not the way geosynchronous satellites can receive and broadcast from 22,000 miles above the earth. Or the way GPS satellites work.

The ionosphere is exactly that though. There's even a plasmasphere. The geosynchronous orbits are perhaps the maximal height possible due to orbital voids in the plasmasphere. It is like an antinode to the sun's orbit, which is why geosynchronous orbits have the same orbital period as the sun.

The fact is, the current models don't work outside our solar system, so it is necessary to contemplate a new system. The only reason the current model works in our solar system is because we assume the model to be correct and plug in values for the masses and distances of the planets to match it. Its more so assumption than it is empiricism. Contemplating a new model shouldn't be pursued with angry conviction, but instead it should be pursued with open-minded empiricism. We sadly only get the empirical crumbs from space agencies

It should be emphasized that flat space curved over the 4th dimension (time) is a possible solution to Einstein's field equations. This would emulate the spherical characteristics of the earth while also accommodating the observations that show it is flat 3-dimensionally. Given long distance photography and frozen lake experiments are able to defy the curve, we have to take these observations into consideration

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: WhatItIs

And there is no proof of your “plasma cloud” in the way you need it to be. Not in visual observations. Not the way geosynchronous satellites can receive and broadcast from 22,000 miles above the earth. Or the way GPS satellites work.

The ionosphere is exactly that though. There's even a plasmasphere. The geosynchronous orbits are perhaps the maximal height possible due to orbital voids in the plasmasphere. It is like an antinode to the sun's orbit, which is why geosynchronous orbits have the same orbital period as the sun.

The fact is, the current models don't work outside our solar system, so it is necessary to contemplate a new system. The only reason the current model works in our solar system is because we assume the model to be correct and plug in values for the masses and distances of the planets to match it. Its more so assumption than it is empiricism. Contemplating a new model shouldn't be pursued with angry conviction, but instead it should be pursued with open-minded empiricism. We sadly only get the empirical crumbs from space agencies

It should be emphasized that flat space curved over the 4th dimension (time) is a possible solution to Einstein's field equations. This would emulate the spherical characteristics of the earth while also accommodating the observations that show it is flat 3-dimensionally. Given long distance photography and frozen lake experiments are able to defy the curve, we have to take these observations into consideration

To be plasma it would have to be water atoms stripped of electrons.


And you’re implying some thick layer that could supply enough mass to flood the earth / sea level?

originally posted by: WhatItIs

To be plasma it would have to be water atoms stripped of electrons.

Plasma is the molecules stripped down to ionized atoms and a sea of electrons. For water we would therefore expect H+, O+, and electrons... which is the primary composition of the ionosphere.

www.researchgate.net...

As you can see in the above report, H+ and O+ go off the charts due to their high density in these layers.

And you’re implying some thick layer that could supply enough mass to flood the earth / sea level?

The ionosphere is huge. But it wasn't just that which supplied the flood. Underwater vents were also contributing to the volume of flood waters.

www.newscientist.com...-K

originally posted by: cooperton

The geosynchronous orbits are perhaps the maximal height possible due to orbital voids in the plasmasphere. It is like an antinode to the sun's orbit, which is why geosynchronous orbits have the same orbital period as the sun.

Comets orbit the sun at a much greater distance than satellites orbit the earth.

The earth orbits the sun.

This is why the sun tracks across the sky. From a camera with a fixed position.


www.diyphotography.net...


Geosynchronous satellites orbit with a speed that matches the earth’s rotation. And stay fixed to one location above the earth. Why the stars is this photo streak in relation to the fixed camera. While the geostationary satellites don’t streak.

skyandtelescope.org...

Geostationary satellites are why your satellite dish for things like the Dish Network point constantly to one specific spot in the sky.

originally posted by: cooperton


Plasma is the molecules stripped down to ionized atoms and a sea of electrons. For water we would therefore expect H+, O+, and electrons... which is the primary composition of the ionosphere.

What are the layers of the ionosphere? What are their compositions. And what is the density per volume of the ionosphere? How often do layers of the ionosphere disappear and why?

Ionosphere Layers

The ionosphere is separated into three regions: the D, E and F-layers. These ionosphere layers play a vital role in radio wave and GPS communications. The D-layer, which is at the lowest part of the ionosphere starting at 50km above the Earth's surface, is charged and active during the day when it is receiving the Sun's radiation. This is when oxygen and nitrogen molecules are in their most excited state. At night however, the sun's radiation no longer makes the oxygen and nitrogen molecules move about in an excited state, and when the sun sets, the D-layer essentially disappears as the ions regroup and become neutral.

The E-layer, also referred to as the Kennelly-Heaviside layer of the ionosphere is around 100m-125km from the surface, and it also behaves similarly to the D-layer, so it is not effective for nighttime radio wave transmission.

Finally, the F-layer, which is also known as the Appleton-Barnett layer, is located in the upper most part of the ionosphere, situated between 200km-400km above the surface. Here the F-layer is broken down into two regions: F1/day which is around the 300km mark, and the F2/night which can be found around 400km. The locations of the F1 and F2-layers change with the seasons. They are also higher in the atmosphere, less dense, and therefore the electrons recombine at a much slower pace allowing them to still be present overnight as compared to the D and E-layers whose electrons recombine overnight. Note that the F1 and F2-levels are closer to the Earth's surface by approximately 100km during the winter months due to the angle at which the Sun's energy hits the Earth.

study.com...

Can't be flat.

Because if it was Chinas ballon woulda floated off the edge.

Sorry, Flat Earth was invented to discredit CT Community.

The had to have one crazy one to point to.

As a CT, the flat earth Conspiracy just makes us look crazy.

a reply to: neo96

Not to mention that if it was flat, cats would have pushed loads of stuff off the edge by now.

No offense, but flat earth conspiracy is for the ignorant. It really is.

However, we're a world full of space agencies and amatuer astronomers.

Basis logic and simple observation will show our world is spherical, orbits and gravity are real concepts.

People, the nature of our universe relies off the fact that massive bodies are connected gravitationally, these forces pull and push as celestial bodies orbit and rotate. All this happens within "space", this incomprehensive matrix within a vacuum.

originally posted by: jidnum

originally posted by: offensive
If the earth was flat wouldnt I be able to see the rocky mountains from KS with a telescope?

Probably, isn't there a telescope in london that lets you see new york?

I don't think so.

originally posted by: jidnum

originally posted by: offensive
If the earth was flat wouldnt I be able to see the rocky mountains from KS with a telescope?

Probably, isn't there a telescope in london that lets you see new york?

WTF?

Is that a serious question?

I give up...

a reply to: MykeNukem

You probably won't believe me : but crazy ole Nothin can sit in his Eastern-Canadakistan™ apartment, and see the other side of the world.

That’s a cool image a reply to: WhatItIs

a reply to: lambros56
So then if you’re standing directly below where they “cross paths” you would then see the moon “standing” in front of the sun?

originally posted by: DaRAGE

originally posted by: and14263
Can any of the flat earth believers give the flat earth theory behind gravitational time dilation?

Can you? Give any theory behind gravitational time dilation?

You will see I responded but you have dissapeared.

Are you able to give the FE theory on gravitational time dilation?

ATS should have a flat earth forum
A conspiracy site with no
Flat earth
Giants
Tar taria

ATS use to be awesome place for info ..
Wtf happened????

a reply to: Dyax-

there is a page

its been discussed at length

flat earth conspiracy thread

absolute classic thread, lots of good times

originally posted by: Dyax-

ATS use to be awesome place for info ..
Wtf happened????

The internet allows more access to information so people can fact check ufologists and cryptozoologists.

And more people are coming forward that will not tolerate frauds in Ufology and Cryptozoology. Keep tabs on them.

It’s harder for cons to pass their lies…

ATS still has a short story forum if you want to post fantasy.

originally posted by: and14263

originally posted by: DaRAGE

originally posted by: and14263
Can any of the flat earth believers give the flat earth theory behind gravitational time dilation?

Can you? Give any theory behind gravitational time dilation?

You will see I responded but you have dissapeared.

Are you able to give the FE theory on gravitational time dilation?

I'm not a flat earther. So I can't answer for them. But I don't know why gravitational time dilation would be any different for a flat earther than an non-flat earther. Though I am interested in why it would matter.